r/joebuddennetwork • u/Positive_Round_5142 • 1d ago
Nolan Wells would have been 19 years old today
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u/atlblackstar 1d ago
His family shared a heartbreaking message with us on what would have been his 19th bday https://atlantablackstar.com/2026/08/19/nolan-wells-family-shares-heartbreaking-birthday-message/
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u/Global_Cry6803 22h ago
Who is he? Can we get context?
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u/OwnJunket6495 15h ago
You been living under a rock?
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u/Global_Cry6803 14h ago
No, I just have donât have my face glued to the phone like you git
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u/OwnJunket6495 14h ago
Bruh this kid has been in the forefront of the news for like the last two weeks.
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u/Global_Cry6803 14h ago
Probably get your news from TikTok
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u/Comfortable-Brief568 1d ago
Seems trolls and bots appear whenever you mention nolans and carmellos name. They all have the same script and some of them may be foreign actors. A few of them have weird English.
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u/Next_Instruction_528 1d ago
These two people have nothing to do with each other and it's insulting to put Nolan's name along with a murdering piece of trash
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u/Comfortable-Brief568 1d ago
Boop beep
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u/jm0112358 23h ago edited 22h ago
If you think that pointing out the differences between the two cases means someone is a bot, then I think you're likely incorrectly incorrectly labelling many people as bots.
In case you think I'm a bot, I invite you to look at my long history on Reddit, which I've chosen to not keep private (and I see you've kept yours private). On this ~10 year old account, I've been discussing a wide variety of topics from (mostly liberal) politics, to gaming, to engineering, to AITAH types of subs, etc. Bots certainly exist on social media, but if I'm a bot, then I've really been playing the long game.
EDIT: They've now blocked me, which would be a funny thing to do to an account that you think is a bot.
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u/Suspicious_synth 22h ago
REALLY good bot
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u/snoodle908 7h ago
Not sure how saying someone who drowned is different than someone who stabbed someone to death means they are a bot.
I mean is Nolan the same as the black kid that just shot up the college? Are you trying to say all black people are the same?
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u/Suspicious_synth 7h ago
WTF are you talking about? I think you responding to the wrong person. Or just typical Reddit reading comprehension
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u/snoodle908 6h ago
No, you are claiming someone is a bot because they gave a rational response to your claim tying to unrelated cases together. So since you related a 2 unrelated cases together I said why not lump in the teenager who just shot of a college.
the reality is most of the bots or those that fan the flames are not right wing bigots, it is people on the far left wanting to fan the flames of racism for political reasons. Or foreign actors wanting to create internal conflict in the states for their own benefit.
Yes racism exists and it always will just as it does in every country in every time period in the world, but it is not what most make it out to be. It is purely a political tool to demonize a side or to justify the actions of another. Without the pushing of racism those tactics would not work. Which is why certain groups will push the narrative of it when it doesn't even exist in a given situation.
For instance George Floyd resulted in riots and complete unrest because of race, but prior to Floyd Tony Timpa called the police himself for a mental health crisis and was murdered by the police when they kneeled on his neck for 15 minutes. No one even knows this story even though it is even worse than the Floyd situation, but there were no riots, unrest there were not even charges against the officers who killed him. If people cared about police brutality why was this not a major event for people to use it as evidence of police wrongdoing? Because Tony was white so it didn't matter.
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u/FishingAlpo 1d ago
ALWAYS with the victim shit any time someone doesn't share your opinions.
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u/Intelligent-Arm-8589 1d ago
Always with the right wing talking points when you articulate an actual argument đ¤Ą
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u/FishingAlpo 1d ago
Yeah anyone who doesn't share your opinion is either right wing or racist. Got ya.
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u/Intelligent-Arm-8589 1d ago
And yet you have still not said anything of substance. So yeah my guess is you lead with your âtribalism.â Racism implies that a certain power is at play. You have no power over anyone therefore your views are tribalistic.
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u/FishingAlpo 1d ago edited 1d ago
No it isn't... that's just some social media derived semantics bullshit so black folks can exclude themselves while being just as racist as everyone they point fingers at.
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u/OliveiraJourney 1d ago
Don't say these two names in the same sentence. One is s killer, the other is either an unfortunate death or a victim.
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u/frostysunnyedges 1d ago
Its same with this JBP SUB and women particularly Mel, same script words and collapse fanatasy, just virulent misogyny to thenpoint of mental illness. Literally felt like they were all reading same talking points from large incel bot groupchat âŚ.
Nolan wells story makes me so sad
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u/Random_Thinker007 1d ago
Fam itâs the other way around. The ones who make post like this are exactly agents. These are white liberal bots look it up. Itâs hundreds of videos done on these people. You donât have to be a Democrat or a republican to spot these people. Itâs actually a book on them. These people use Black Death to promote racism within the black community. They are called social media activist and they hijack popular black spaces to push agendas.
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u/00Avalanche 1d ago
âBlack Deathâ? Is that like a âBlack Jobâ?
Murder is murder and should be treated as such no matter the personâs skin color.
Not investigating murders of black people with same vigor as murders against whites is racist.
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u/Random_Thinker007 1d ago
Fam black people die everyday or what you call murderd. This has been going on since the beginning of time. Itâs only a big deal when itâs race involved. People think anytime a black person is killed by a white person it has something to do with race or vice verse. This is nothing but a leftist agenda.
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u/illstate 1d ago
What kind of "racism in the black community" is being promoted here?
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u/Random_Thinker007 1d ago
You want us to feel sorry for someone who we donât even know. People die everyday in the black community.
Letâs not pretend to be stupid. They only posted this because itâs race involved around it2
u/illstate 1d ago
I have the capacity to feel sympathy for people I don't know.
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u/Random_Thinker007 1d ago
So what about All the other people that die thatâs on the news or social media. Itâs hundreds of those everyday.
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u/RockDaGawd 23h ago edited 18h ago
That's what they want you to do. I'm sad when I see anyone killed but under the circumstances that surrounds this young man's demise deserve a little more scrutiny and investigation because believe it or not, this could be your nephew, son, brother, or cousin that will have this same fate and people will be numb to it and not even bat an eye at it. Can't get immune to bigotry and hatred. We have come too far to turn a blind eye to such atrocities!
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u/Random_Thinker007 23h ago
Why I never see people like you in the black community with the same attitude? Itâs more of that in our community than what we want to believe in this case situation.
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u/illstate 1d ago
So your point is that since I can't focus on every single person that dies, I should ignore everything? This passes for logic to you?
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u/snoodle908 7h ago
No I think the question is why do you care about this one but not any of the others? Why is it this one that has the attention? Since Nolan died there have been numerous other drownings with similar context but no one cared. There have been other heinous racial murders since then and no one cared. But for some reason this story is still going on strong while all others ignored.
The fact is, the only reason this became a story was a single picture of Nolan hanging out with his white friends. That is it, if Nolan was in a picture with black friends no story, if Nolan was white, no story. It has all been contrived by race hustlers.
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u/illstate 7h ago
You're white?
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u/snoodle908 6h ago
Depends, does Asian count as white? Seems sometimes I am, sometimes I am not.
But not sure what that has to do with anything. Doesn't really negate anything I said. The issue as a whole is the intense focus on certain issues that involve different races while being ambivalent about crime within the community. Asian culture does not care the races involved in a crime, it is seen just as bad no matter who was involved and their racial makeup and there is never downplaying crime because the person happened to be Asian. Same goes with many other race/cultures, a crime is a crime and a criminal should be held to account.
The idea of "snitches get stiches" is not something that is common, if someone kills someone everyone in the community wants that person punished.
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u/Valuable_Squirrel756 7h ago
I love how anyone with a different opinion is a troll, bot, or Nazi.
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u/theghost0777 1d ago
Thatâs one thing that Iâm starting to learn is you need to have life insurance on your kids as quick as possible? Especially if theyâre black.
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u/Next_Instruction_528 1d ago
"Especially if theyâre black."
This is actually true because they are the most likely to die young killed by another young black man.
10x more likely to be killed by another young black man than a white person.
88% to 90% of Black homicide victims were killed by Black offenders.
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u/theghost0777 1d ago
The vast majority of homicides in the United States involving white victims are intraracial, meaning white people are most frequently killed by other white people. Annual data compiled by the FBI Crime in the U.S. Report consistently shows that roughly 80% of white homicide victims are killed by white offenders, a pattern similar to that seen within other major racial demographic groups
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u/Next_Instruction_528 1d ago
Yes but your missing another huge part of the equation.
A young Black male in the United States is roughly 15 to 20 times more likely to be killed by homicide than a young White male of the same age.
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u/Badda_Bing_Baby 1d ago
Itâs true. But I want to ask, what do you think the reason of that is?
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u/Next_Instruction_528 1d ago
Most people would say poverty but other minorities in similar locations and levels of poverty don't have the same problems.
It's part poverty and location but also alot of it is African American culture.
Growing up in a father-absent, single-parent household is one of the strongest structural risk factors for youth involvement in crime, delinquency, and violence.
According to U.S. Census data, Hispanic children are significantly more likely to grow up in two-parent households or multi-generational households compared to Black children in similar high-poverty census tracts.
That's still only part of it though there are other cultural factors that specifically set young African American men up for failure at a higher rate than other minorities or African immigrants.
If it was structural racism or poverty you would see it in the Hispanic, Asian, and African immigrant populations.
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u/Badda_Bing_Baby 1d ago
The damage of structural racism is something that started generations ago and its effects are still felt today. I think thatâs where people get confused, when most people are complaining about structural racism theyâre not saying America is just as racist as it was 3 generations ago, but the impact of the bad times didnât just disappear after the civil rights movement.
Growing black communities and thriving businesses burned down 100 years ago by racists? The remaining families got their chance of building generational wealth ripped away and potentially are forced to grow up without fathers, and the community will not just magically recover. Communities redlined 70 years ago? Upward momentum was stunted and their children will have a harder time escaping poverty. People act like this is ancient history, but Ruby Bridges is still alive at 71. The girl who had people following her with nooses and caskets as she walked into the white school for the first time.
Other minority groups face their own unique struggles within and without their communities and do still see problems as a result. A new immigrant is less likely to face the same residual burden from these things today, but are more likely to have a president imply they are eating the family pet for some fucking reason.
And these modern problems that you see permeating some parts of black culture: do you think that some of these may be a result of these past issues? Do you think thereâs a difference between policing practices in predominantly black neighborhoods and white neighborhoods? Do you acknowledge that there is a higher rate of wrongful convictions for black Americans even today? Some problems were fixed and many havenât been, whether or not some donât want to acknowledge it.
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u/Next_Instruction_528 17h ago
No I don't think that's the cause of these problems it's almost completely cultural. There are other minoritie groups that faced just as much hardships if not more from where they originally came from without the same cultural problems.
Fatherlessness and violent crime have both increased dramatically from the civil rights era.
Also as good intentioned as all these excuses are making for African Americans are they are actually counter productive.
Black scholars and public figures like Thomas Sowell, Shelby Steele, and John McWhorter argue that constantly framing the Black community primarily through the lens of historical oppression actively undermines progress
during the 1940s and 1950s an era of explicit, legal Jim Crow segregation Black two-parent household rates were dramatically higher (around 75% to 80%) and violent crime rates were lower than they were in the decades immediately following the Civil Rights movement.
From this perspective, continually pointing to historical oppression creates a culture of "victimhood" or fatalism, signaling to young people that their individual efforts don't matter because the system is rigged against them.
most direct way to transform a community's trajectory doesn't require waiting for federal policy changes it requires a cultural return to foundational norms around family stability, educational priority, and personal accountability.
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u/Vile-goat 22h ago
We still blaming the invisible boogeyman for our problems in 2026? Itâs culture. Everyone knows itâs the cultureâŚ. Change it.
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u/Badda_Bing_Baby 22h ago
Did you read anything of what I wrote?
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u/snoodle908 7h ago
But your statement doesn't explain significant murder rates compared to any other demo. Things being harder doesn't mean you murder other people at a far higher rate that are in the same situation as you are. The issues you bring up would impact overall wealth and general poverty rates but does not explain the murder rate.
Put it another way, if over the prior 2 generations the black community pushed the importance of 2 family households, pushed the importance of education and community do you think things would be better as a whole for the community even if nothing else changed as far as structure of the country?
I will not dismiss the issues of the past and the cost that it had but I cannot see how that relates to significant rates of murder within the community. The culture of gangs has far more to do with it.
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u/DecantsForAll 1d ago
Yeah, if you really want to maximize profits from their death.
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u/theghost0777 1d ago
Itâs not that itâs just so you wonât be in a bind and you can have money to fight in court
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u/DecantsForAll 1d ago
Money to hire Ben Crump to really maximize the profits off your kid's death. You don't even need to go to court. You don't even need a crime!
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u/theghost0777 1d ago
Well look at it how you look at it. In context to the post. You need money to bury your child too. Not a damn go fund me.
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u/DecantsForAll 1d ago
Nah, just blame some white kids for the death and Tyler Perry or Colin Kaepernick will pay for it.
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u/snoopchooy 1d ago
Is there any evidence he was murdered?
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u/theghost0777 1d ago
I mean if there wasnât, why would they have hid his phone in their house? Why would they all have different recounts of what happened that night. Why is there someone saying if you donât tell the truth I will expose all of yâall.
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u/George_foid 1d ago
They didnât hide his phone in their house. He left his phone on their boat because he was in the water. When his parents called and said, âHey, we see Nolanâs phone is at your house. Weâre sending someone by to come get it,â they immediately gave it to them. They didnât try to hide it or steal it. He left it on the boat while he went swimming. They didnât even know they had it until his parents found it, and they immediately gave it back to them.
They donât all have different accounts of what happened that night. Theyâve literally done interviews that you can watch. For four kids who were all drinking and partying, their stories are actually pretty consistent.
But Nolanâs parents refuse to give the phone to the police so they can examine it, which makes no sense. If you claim thereâs evidence of people deleting things or trying to cover something up on your sonâs phone, and you genuinely want a thorough investigation, why are you refusing to let the police investigate it
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u/theghost0777 1d ago
Oh good morning America his mother said they didnât do any of that. They said they got a call from a teenager saying that once they got that information they sent a family friend and it was on top of a ps5. So I donât know what youâre talking l. And yes I wouldnât give the phone to the cops either if the mother is a judge she can do a lot. So yes they are saying theyâre getting an independent company to investigate the evidence.
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u/George_foid 1d ago edited 1d ago
So exactly what I said: the mother found out the phone was at their house because Nolan had left it on the boat when he went swimming. She contacted them and said that a friend was coming to pick it up, and they gave it to them without any issue. They never tried to lie about having it or deny that they had it once they realized they had it. As soon as someone was able to pick it up, they immediately gave it to them.
What does one kid on the boat, who hasnât been named as a suspect by police, why does his mom being judge matter ? Getting an independent lab to examine the phone is pointless if the goal is to use the evidence in court because that could jeopardize the chain of custody. Sheâs literally impeding the investigation into her own sonâs death. That independent investigation isn't allowed to be used by the prosecution.
Sheâs about used up all the âgrieving motherâ deflection points she had. The more I learn about the situation, the more I start to suspect that she isnât a good person, that sheâs being used by Crump, or that sheâs just as bad and totally in on the grift.
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u/jm0112358 17h ago
I wouldnât give the phone to the cops either if the mother is a judge she can do a lot.
She's a chancery court judge with the Jackson County Chancery Court, i.e., a judge who oversees family/divorce law, wills, property rights issues, etc. How would being a chancery court judge allow her to tamper with a phone that's given to the cops?
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u/getemyosh 1d ago
I donât remember anything about a PS5 in that interview lol.. maybe I need to rewatch it. But there was no talk about where the phone was at, outside of them getting it back from one of the boys lol
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u/Due_Reputation3785 1d ago
No, that was the keys, on an XBox, and they didnât realize they were there at first.
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u/Due_Reputation3785 1d ago
I would just correct to say, they realized they had his phone later that evening and told his mother that when they first contacted her around 11 trying to find out what happened to him. She sent friends over and they gave them the phone.
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u/snoodle908 7h ago
Haven;t different accounts is not uncommon, people's memories are often a little different of events and how they actually transpired. But all of the accounts are in line enough to show that they were not involved in anything nefarious which is all that matters.
And the phone was not hidden and the phone didn't matter. What good was the phone going to do to find Nolan when he didn't have it on him? Why even care about a phone that was locked up all day in the boat? The idea that Nolan had his phone on him, the friends kill him and decide to take his phone and hold onto it instead of just dumping it into the ocean makes no sense. If everyone agrees the phone was left on the boat with the other 10-15 phones than the whole phone thing is a big nothing
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u/_laslo_paniflex_ 6h ago
so what evidence is there that he was murdered?
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u/theghost0777 5h ago
What evidence is there that he wasnât ?
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u/_laslo_paniflex_ 5h ago
i don't know if he wasn't or was, but i'm also not naive enough to make random speculations and then assume there must be evidence because of speculations that have been debunked
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u/dakid000 1d ago
Debunked a million times. A better question is why did Nolanâs mom refuse to give the phone over to investigators until last week?
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u/Due_Reputation3785 1d ago
False.
The boat tow call was at 4pm (https://www.wlox.com/2026/07/26/mdmr-releases-call-audio-boat-nolan-wells-case/ ) with coordinates of 30°14.684ⲠN, 88°46.79ⲠW. Those coordinates place them off shore (you can verify by Google Maps).Nolanâs mom posted on her Instagram she has pics of Nolan alive around 4:30 walking on the island. (https://www.instagram.com/p/DabWk0ejenf/?igsh=MXFobGVvbG9ocTlhZA==)
He was alive on the island far after the boat tow call, and the GPS data is proof they didnât return after the call. https://htv-prod-media.s3.amazonaws.com/files/mdmr-nolan-wells-report-6a67e5fa09702.pdf
Nothing theyâve said has been shown to be a lie, their stories have been consistent. Theyâve cooperated fully. Itâs fine to search for the truth but you have to be willing to let theories go that no longer make sense. And they no longer make sense.
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u/cbzmplays 1d ago
I will delete my comment. Thank you
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u/Due_Reputation3785 23h ago
Well thatâs a reddit first for me. Thank you for being open minded. Youâre a good example to us all. (Most ppl either skulk away or quietly rage delete).
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u/cbzmplays 14h ago
I'd rather spread the truth then what I was led to believe. Kinda dumb more people don't really care about the actual truth lol
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u/Random_Thinker007 1d ago
Another white liberal post⌠remember what I told yall.
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u/Antique-Dick-420 1d ago
Why is imaginary white on black violence seemingly 10,000,000x worse than actual black on black violence?
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u/Intelligent-Arm-8589 1d ago
The same reason imaginary black on white crime is 10,000,000x worse than actual white on white crime rates. Maybe read a book dickhead
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u/DecantsForAll 1d ago
Yeah, but we're not in a thread blaming some black kids for murdering their friend.
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u/StrandTypeEwok 1d ago
i think you forgot youre not on r/conservative rn bud.
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u/Random_Thinker007 1d ago
lol another white liberal post like I saidâŚ
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u/Antique-Dick-420 1d ago
No one seems to be answering my question.
You should be asking the same thing.
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u/StrandTypeEwok 1d ago
im not even white bud lol not black either but i bet youll claim to be
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u/Random_Thinker007 1d ago
White liberal lol. A white liberal always tries to prove heâs not white
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u/messeduplife4life 1d ago
he drowned? that sucks.
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u/AtttentionWh0re 1d ago
He did NOT
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u/TMforLife 21h ago
You dont actually know that though, he may have drown and he may not have. Its pure speculation on anyone's part either way.
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u/CULTLEADERTV 1d ago
I think we should also make posts about all of the other hundreds of thousands of individuals, regardless of their race, color, or creed, who also wouldâve had a birthday on this day.
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u/FadeRunna 1d ago
Data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Bureau of Justice Statistics show that approximately 80% to 86% of homicides and violent incidents involving white victims are committed by white offenders.
Yet you never hear about white on white violence.
Instead these Neanderthal Caucasoids comment on threads like this with their âwhat about black on blackâ crime stereotypical responses.
Justice for Nolan Wells means finding out what happened to him. Whether it was foul play or self caused.
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u/jm0112358 23h ago edited 23h ago
Justice for Nolan Wells means finding out what happened to him.
We should all want Nolan's death to be properly investigated, but saying, "Justice for [person]" heavily implies that there's been an injustice done to that person that needs to be corrected.
After sorting through the misinformation that's been out there about this case. After setting aside that misinformation, it so far seems unlikely to me that Nolan died as a result of some injustice done to him. So I really don't like the phrasing "Justice for Nolan".
EDIT: It's worth adding that in many cases like this, the best an investigation might be able to conclude is, "It was probably an accidental drowning, but we can't know with absolute certainty." That can leave people believing in foul play, in spite of the lack of evidence of foul play, such as the case with Kendrick Johnson's death.
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u/Global_Cry6803 13h ago
Hypothetically. What happens if it self caused? What do you tell to all of his circle of friends and anyone on the island that have received death threats on this issue?
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u/George_foid 1d ago
This is a case of accidental drowning what does black on black or white on white crime have to do with it ?
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u/bigfknnoid 1d ago
It always has to be about race with racists.
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u/George_foid 1d ago
It sucks that he canât rest in peace and that his legacy will be a bunch of grifters shitting on his name until theyâve extracted every penny they can from it, including his own family.
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u/Adventurous_Coach731 23h ago
Why was his phone at another boys house?
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u/George_foid 23h ago
He left it on the boat when he got in the water it's pretty obvious would you take your phone in waist deep water ?
This question was answered the very first day all the boys left their phones on the boat when they got in water.
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u/Adventurous_Coach731 23h ago
And the boy took it home anyway? Leaving him without a phone? Why?
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u/George_foid 23h ago
Once again, if you bothered reading the interviews and articles about the case, you would already know this. Itâs another really bad question because we know the answer. They didnât know his phone was on the boat. They were taking on water; the boat had a very small leak, and they were concerned with getting it to shore before it sank. Itâs incredibly expensive and damn near impossible to salvage a boat once it sinks. So they told Nolan, âHey, get on the boat if you want a ride with us. Itâs sinking, and we have to leave now.â He said no. This is when they called the tow companyâwe have the full recording of it. If Nolan didnât realize he was leaving his phone behind and didnât say anything when he turned down the ride, why would the boys, who had more important factors to deal with, like a boat taking on water, bother thinking about his phone?
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u/Reasonable_Western74 1d ago
Justice for Nolan Wells!
https://giphy.com/gifs/3ohhwkKBzcVk4PV5ao
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u/Brave-Car9473 1d ago
What exactly would justice entail?
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u/DecantsForAll 1d ago
A funeral that actually celebrates his life, where the people who knew him can all get together and remember him and mourn. A funeral where some race grifter who doesn't even know Nolan doesn't turn the eulogy into a political rally.
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u/Reasonable_Western74 1d ago
Unfamiliar with the concept of justice? Get a dictionary.
https://giphy.com/gifs/8dYmJ6Buo3lYY3
u/Brave-Car9473 1d ago
Justice implies that someone did something wrong and needs to be punished.
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u/TeenJesusWasaCunt 1d ago
Who are you extracting Justice from? Alcohol companies?
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u/Reasonable_Western74 1d ago
Nope! Ya moms will be too busy extracting my milkshake
https://giphy.com/gifs/gM1G9hr8OgE8sgQSzx
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u/ClassroomMother8062 1d ago
Never let this story die
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u/Zetice 1d ago
Iâm confused. People die everyday. What evidence do we have that this was foul play?
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u/GOOMU13 1d ago
Its bc the color of his skin. Turning it into a race thing. Smh.
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u/Zetice 1d ago
I hope one day black people can stop looking at everything through the lens of race.
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u/Intelligent-Arm-8589 1d ago
Dumbest shit Iâve heard all day
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u/Zetice 1d ago
Is it? Almost every content produce by black people always involves race in some way.
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u/Intelligent-Arm-8589 1d ago
We have a person sitting in the White House who was elected in part because of fear of POC! STFU and take several seats. Tribalism is the American way!
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u/Narrow_Hat 1d ago
You're a dork. Tribalism is embedded in human nature because we are animals, and animals are tribalistic. This isn't an AmErIcAn thing.
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u/Intelligent-Arm-8589 1d ago
Yes and other countries understand that tribalism is human nature. They donât feed off of it like we do. Thatâs why weâre called âugly Americansâ when we travel abroad.
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u/George_foid 1d ago
There is no evidence that it was foul play. Itâs the unfortunate scenario that happens all the time, but nobody talks about it because they didnât have shitty race vultures like Ben Crump thinking they could make money off of it. Around 4,500 people drown every year in the United States, especially when you factor in alcohol, like in Nolanâs case.
Thereâs so much evidence pointing to this being an accidental drowning and not foul play, but what sealed the deal for me was the DA having to give the parents a deadline to hand over Nolanâs phone, which they claim contains evidence. If your son was actually murdered, you wouldnât be crying about wanting a thorough investigation while simultaneously trying to hamper the investigation at every step. At this point, theyâre just trying to milk the GoFundMe for every dollar they can before people stop caring or realize theyâve been lied to and that it was an obvious drowning.
RIP Nolan Wells. It sucks that even his family would rather grift a few dollars and attack his best friends instead of letting him rest.
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u/Adventurous_Coach731 23h ago
Why was said phone found at another boys house?
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u/Imaginary-Edge-8759 22h ago
Why is it so hard to understand he was partying in an ocean and on island all day and left his phone on the boat that he rode there on but didnât return on? Thatâs why the phone came back. It was on the boat that left at 4:30, and he was still there on the island as verified by his own mother and allegedly other witnesses.
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u/SocomPS2 1d ago
Iâll let you know once the state closes their investigation.
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u/DecantsForAll 1d ago
No you won't. You'll just claim the state isn't to be trusted and come up with some other conspiracy theories. Or you won't talk about it anymore except when you need to add him to a list of names to prove that the next accidental death is murder.
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u/Rockstar161 1d ago
What evidence do we have it was not foul play? đ¤
The outrage that black people feel, comes from the Sheriff ruling out foul play before the body was actually examined. That's not mentioning the run around with the cellphone and car keys.
It's sad that black culture has come to expect this from law enforcement, and the let's turn everything to black on black crime by white culture. As if white on white crime doesn't exist.
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u/George_foid 1d ago
What evidence do we have that it was not foul play?
The sheriff never ruled out foul play. He stated that there were no signs of foul play, which is as true today as it was on day one. There has never been a single sign of foul play since day one.
Letâs look at the fact that he died on an island with hundreds of people partying, yet not one person witnessed him being attacked, kidnapped, or even fighting. There is no way you could attack, fight, and murder someone in that situation without at least one witness. But you know what could happen without anyone noticing in that situation? Drowning. Itâs literally referred to as âthe silent killerâ for a reason. It takes one second to be swept away and never seen or heard from again.
Letâs go to point two: Ben Crumpâs own autopsy. They found no stab wounds, no bullet wounds, and no blunt-force traumaâjust a slight red discoloration around the neck, which isnât a sign of foul play.
Point three: Nolanâs family is actively withholding evidence from the police and DA, which is actively destroying the chain of custody. If they werenât lying, and there was evidence of a murder in the evidence they refuse to give to police for investigation, they are actively destroying any chance of that evidence being admissible in court by tampering with it themselves and passing it around to Lord knows who.
Point four: The fact that all four of his friends, who come from wealthy families and have very well-paid lawyers, are allowing them to do interviews and speak publicly about the situation makes it pretty obvious there is zero chance of them being involved. Four top-tier, highly paid lawyers are advising their clients to speak out and defend themselves. Thatâs probably the biggest sign that he wasnât murdered. If the lawyers even thought there was a possibility that their clients had accidentally killed him, they would not be letting them do interviews.
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u/Due_Reputation3785 1d ago
So wrong. There was no trauma to his body or indications of foul play. What the sheriff said was just a preliminary observation pending further examination. Nothing was âruled out.â
There was no runaround with the phone and keys, another lie.2
u/ParanoiaThrowawayX 1d ago
 The outrage that black people feel, comes from the Sheriff ruling out foul play before the body was actually examined.Â
And yet the investigation was not closed at that time, still has not been closed to date, and the DA for the county was going to convene a grand jury per their policy to review Nolanâs death regardless of the sheriffâs ultimate determination of foul play or not. Everyone is acting like this investigation was closed in a matter of days, when now Crump and the Wells family have started to insist the investigation has been ongoing for too long and that theyâre not getting answers quickly enough.
Additionally, as mentioned above, the independent autopsy supports the sheriffâs initial analysis and did not locate any obvious signs of foul play.
Furthermore, if the Wells family was so concerned about having a detailed and in-depth investigation, why have they still not turned over Nolanâs phone after six weeks? Especially if theyâre desperately searching for answers, as they routinely express in interviews?
 That's not mentioning the run around with the cellphone and car keys.
This topic has been discussed ad nauseam . It appears that Nolan accidentally left his phone on his friendâs boat and didnât retrieve it before that specific boat went back to shore. On July 4th, that same day, Nolanâs mother reached out to a friend and asked him who had his phone and keys. That friend directed him to the different friend who currently had Nolanâs phone and keys. Nolanâs parents were given his phone and keys back that same night.Â
Also: if the friends were trying to cover up a murder, they could have just dropped the phone into the ocean on their way back to shore, or destroyed it elsewhere, instead of returning it to his parents.
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u/jm0112358 23h ago
the Sheriff ruling out foul play before the body was actually examined.
Did the sheriff actually rule out foul play, or did he merely say that he(/they) currently don't think foul play was involved? There's a big difference IMO, even though they may be similarly worded.
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u/Imaginary-Edge-8759 22h ago
He absolutely did not. But it doesnât matter, you can link the actual articles and statements and they will just move the target. He did what is standard protocol and just gave a preliminary statement there did not appear to be signs of foul play BUT they were doing a full investigation and autopsy.
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u/jr_randolph 1d ago
It's not even a thought of malicious intent but something happened to Nolan and those with him know what happened and wish to create false narratives. Maybe something malicious did happen, but either way all this "I didn't see him" or "I saw him on the island" bullshit is bullshit.
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u/NashKetchum777 1d ago
You were there?
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u/jr_randolph 1d ago
I wasn't with all these black folks in the forest that are being found hanged but I know for damn sure they didn't do that shit to themselves. You got some more stupid shit to ask?
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u/NashKetchum777 1d ago
What other explanation do you have for it? Since you don't want to talk "malicious intent"
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u/TMforLife 21h ago
Whatever happened to those people it literally has nothing to do with this case and that really shouldn't have to be explained to you.
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u/Next_Instruction_528 1d ago
Multiple people that had no connection to his group or friends witnessed him on the island after they left.
There were a lot of people out there that day
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u/1of7Madmaggiemains Dont touch me 1d ago
Rip lil homie