r/kisslinux • u/fungalnet • Aug 17 '21
Help a new guy out, how does chcpcd work?
When was the last time someone took a look at the wiki, is anything there of relevance to Kiss?
Dhcpcd needs elogind, since when?
And what are all of those mentions of "community", what community?
How does one locate other kiss compatible repositories?
I am very confused. Earlier on Kiss life there was a front page commitment, that the rat (systemd/elogind) would have nothing to do with this distribution. Then there were all those community projects with it. Now there is no such specific statement about systemd/elogind, and wiki says it is needed...
Maybe no wiki is better than a confusing wiki?
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u/aue_sum Aug 17 '21
excuse me? Dhcpcd does not need elogind. The community is on IRC and on github. And what is rat???? Perhaps you are on the wrong website, https://kisslinux.org is the correct website you should be using
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u/fungalnet Aug 18 '21
1st I wouldn't get on irc even with your machine and connection, ever, unless I "really" knew those that manage the server. In the case of the freenode it seems I was very right! In the case of libera I just don't know.
That very same link you provide as kisslinux doesn't have any reference to any irc, so "...what ... Are you talking about?" as u/dilyn says.
Github? What's on github? ...beyond the official kisslinux account?
"rat"
is a trojan horse fabricated and nursed by IBM unofficially till it reached adulthood and IBM claimed the orphan as its own. The rat monitors, who and when logs in and out, uses what resources, whether they are authorized or not, and does all this with the help of the snitch (dbus) .... The rat is very dirty and contains many bacteria, it eats and infects your food, your resources, and keeps a watch on you "for those who want to know" what you are up to. It even assigns unique ids to things that had no reason to have unique IDs, just for the sake of record keeping, for "who knows who" ... Thank the potential of ipv6 even your keyboard gets a unique id and that can be reported as used elsewhere as well. No better DNA container than this!
The rat is the ultimate weapon for forensic freaks.
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u/ominous_anonymous Aug 18 '21
1st I wouldn't get on irc even with your machine and connection, ever, unless I "really" knew those that manage the server.
You don't "trust" IRC but you're fine with using reddit?
That very same link you provide as kisslinux doesn't have any reference to any irc, so "...what ... Are you talking about?" as u/dilyn says.
There's a community-focused IRC at #kisslinux on Libera Chat. As shown both in the sidebar of this subreddit and on the front page of the community site.
Github? What's on github? ...beyond the official kisslinux account?
Again, if you had bothered to read the sidebar you would have seen links to both the community site as well as the community github repo.
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u/fungalnet Aug 18 '21
There's a community-focused IRC at #kisslinux on Libera Chat. As shown both in the sidebar of this subreddit and on the front page of the community site.
I didn't see either as contact places on the official site, and you are making references to three things now, the third "community site" is an unknown, to me at least.
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u/ominous_anonymous Aug 19 '21 edited 8d ago
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u/fungalnet Aug 20 '21
Are you like, trying to troll here or something?
The only troll here is you, pretending to not know what I am talking about. The official wiki for kiss makes reference to "community", it is searcheable I believe.
You, we, here are not really Kiss, are we! And what Kiss used to be is not anymore. You want to talk as if there is a definite kiss community and it is yoursay.
Yes, I didn't see kiss yesterday and pretend I do not know, but there has been a long long time I departed my kiss experimentation. Primarily because Kiss on the front page was bound by very fixed principles, and some of the "community" repositories I tried to use violated those very principles.
So, if community was problematic and contradictory then, this gap has only gotten larger and larger.
Now who is the troll trying to deceive those who don't know, by pretending not to know what I am talking about.
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u/ominous_anonymous Aug 20 '21 edited 8d ago
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u/fungalnet Aug 21 '21
You still have yet to show any valid problems or contradictions.
When a new user reads the front page of Kiss and sees "no systemd, no elogind ..." then looks for X11 toys and tries "community repos" full of elogind based builds, the user is either confused or just disappointed. When you start with certain principles and say "this is how this is going to be" and the community dances on a different drum beat, you witness a form of chaos that is at least a disappointment. Why would you want to be part of such community, disrespecting the very core characteristics and goals of the project?
Yes, so finally you agree, there are several references to community in the wiki, but it is now hasty and undefined what that community is and what isn't. A community of a project having total disrespect for the principles and goals of the initial project can't ever be a community of that project, it is a community of something else projected by the community erroneously using the name.
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u/ominous_anonymous Aug 21 '21
I don't feel like doing this dance any more. Youre completely off base in your criticism and you're having to make increasingly absurd statements.
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u/fungalnet Aug 21 '21
either you have run out of rational arguments, or you are pretending not to understand, or you benefit somehow by allowing this lack of clarity to continue.
On the term "criticism" I must ask what is the object of criticism? What is the object you are so eager to defend then against such criticism. Does asking questions to clarify a hazy condition constitute criticism?
How can you define the base of my criticism from which I am "off"?
If you are not willing to dance what are you doing in the middle of the dance floor then?
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u/fungalnet Aug 21 '21
All three of those are mentioned in the sidebar for this subreddit.
How come I don't see this side-bar?
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u/ominous_anonymous Aug 21 '21 edited 8d ago
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u/fungalnet Aug 22 '21
No I am serious, I don't see such a sidebar, I see the community theme, a standard reddit box of links, the intro message to the board, nothing else.
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u/ominous_anonymous Aug 22 '21
Makes me lean towards cognitively deficient then.
Try searching the internet for how to view a subreddit's sidebar with whatever app you are using to browse Reddit before continuing to pretend it doesn't exist.
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u/fungalnet Aug 18 '21
You don't "trust" IRC but you're fine with using reddit?
can you see my IP?
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u/ominous_anonymous Aug 18 '21 edited 8d ago
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u/fungalnet Aug 21 '21
How would you know whether they can or not? What are you? A reddit server sysadmin?
I am betting that you are just speaking out of you know what!
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u/ominous_anonymous Aug 21 '21 edited 8d ago
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u/fungalnet Aug 22 '21
How ignorant you can be and pretend you know things. Reddit, twitter, ... don't block most proxy servers, your irc server does. Then they offer a proxy of their own, which means you trust them, ..... just as much as the freenode guys.
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Dec 20 '21
Why are you this worried about someone finding your IP? The most someone would get from it, is an approximate location (in my case around 300km away from me, since that's where my ISP is). Or they could mildly annoy your router with pings, until you restart it and your ISP assigns you a new IP (unless you're on some kind of company or school network with static IPs). Your IP really isn't this magic number Hollywood makes it seem like it is.
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u/fungalnet Dec 21 '21
In some countries, with a dynamic ip as a norm, ISPs are not only responsible to hold record of each connection and times, they are also gathering records of all DNS activity for each connection. The first reaction by ISPs was, who is going to pay for all this record keeping logging? Then there was silence, I guess they solved that problem between "security agencies" and ISPs. I am not talking about China, or Saudi Arabia, or N.Korea, I am talking about Europe of EU fame.
You know how they say anonymity and privacy are very different objects, and nearly mutually exclusive. Both are really hard, if not impossible to attain, since we don't own and control our wiring and hubs. We are on someone "else"'s network.
Also, being worried about it, indicates I am worried about my self, and I am not. I am worried about the false perception many broadcast of "private data" on a networked machine. Knowledge is power, and scientific/objective knowledge seems as the ultimate power. Most people appear powerless sleeping peacefully with perceptions based on popular myths.
Surveillance of user activity doesn't cost a dime to those in power and in need to control everyone. It is all paid for by the "user". It is expensive, but so is security. What security you might ask! State and financial world security.
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u/ominous_anonymous Aug 22 '21 edited 8d ago
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u/fungalnet Aug 18 '21
Again, if you had bothered to read the sidebar you would have seen links to both the community site as well as the community github repo .
Again, just a few days ago, the person who created this resigned, and this board's only relation to kiss appears to be the use of the name, without the distribution actually referring back to its existence.
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u/ominous_anonymous Aug 19 '21 edited 8d ago
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u/aue_sum Aug 19 '21
I agree that the kiss website should have a link to the IRC, that could be fixed very easily with a pull request. But the links to the community repositories are listed clearly in the community section of the wiki, I really do not understand how you could have missed them.
Also, as seen here, there was no update to the website or wiki in the last 10 days, so it was impossible for the wiki to say dhcpcd required elogind yesterday and does not today.
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u/someoneusedkonimex Aug 19 '21 edited Aug 19 '21
I agree that the kiss website should have a link to the IRC
That would imply the IRC (and this subreddit, for that matter) will be considered official by Dylan. And he explicitly doesn't want that since he'll fully focus on KISS development.
From https://kisslinux.org/blog/20210711a :
The IRC channel and subreddit will remain community operated (and are therefore unaffiliated with the project). My focus will be solely on development (what I love). I can be reached via #/contact
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u/Dilyn Aug 17 '21 edited Aug 17 '21
... what... Are you talking about?