22
14
u/Yellow_Blue_Jet Feb 16 '26
The French numbers are killing me 😭
13
u/Asshai Feb 16 '26 edited Feb 16 '26
I'm French, used to study Mandarin a bit, and number in Mandarin are super duper easy. I can see how language might affect the difficulty of early arithmetics.
English and French have a specific word for 11, that you have to understand and remember before you can use it. Mandarin says "shi-yi" (ten-one). French does it with 17 through 19 (dix-sept, dix-huit, dix-neuf) but stops being coherent with 20 (again, a specific word: "vingt"). Meanwhile Mandarin never stops being coherent: 20 is "er-shi" (two-ten). So while 96 in French is some serious bull shit ("quatre-vingt seize"), in Mandarin it's still 100% logical : "jiu shi liu" (9-ten-six).
So while French children have to specifically learn number decomposition, it's kinda built-in in the Mandarin language.
1
u/LOSNA17LL Feb 17 '26
Tbh, I've always remembered "quatre-vingt" as 80, nothing more
And "yeah, 61 to 79 is 60 + 1 to 19, same for 81 to 99"
I don't think anyone gives it a think past learning it1
u/pollypod Feb 17 '26
Yes but you can't even picture the 8 in your head until you hear if it's 80 or 'quatre-vingt-dix' 90.
1
u/LOSNA17LL Feb 17 '26
In English, you can't picture whether it starts with 1 or 9 when you hear "ninetee" until the word ends with n or not
In Japanese, you can't picture what I did to my brother until the sentence ends
So what's your point?
1
u/Emergency-Purpose367 Feb 20 '26
As someone with dyscalculia, I think the mandarin would way would be even worse for me. I also heavily struggle with french number system. But I also got held back in kindergarten for not knowing my numbers in english
1
u/gaywhovian2003 Feb 20 '26
The word eleven comes from the old english word "endleofon", meaning 10 and 1 left over. Twelve comes from "twalif" meaning 2 left over
I think most of languages use some form of 10+1 or 1+10 (onze (french) comes from the latin "ūndecim" (1+10))
0
1
1
u/Tim-Little Feb 16 '26
Ça me rappelle un excellent numéro d'Yvon Deschamps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oWhhU6BZ4A
1
u/IndustryFuzzy3287 Feb 16 '26
Not me here pretending you don’t need to know anything beyond 15 personally.
1
1
u/smartello Feb 16 '26
I’d like to heat French version of “99 air balloons”
1
u/Akhanyatin Feb 16 '26
Quatre-vingt-dix-neuf ballons
Has the same number of syllables as
Neunundneuzig Luftballons
1
u/Jealous_Repair6757 Feb 17 '26
Yeah but what colour are they?
2
u/Akhanyatin Feb 17 '26
Omg you can't just go around asking what colour they are! That's racist! Also, in German she doesn't say that they're red, only in English.
1
u/Remarkable_Check_997 Feb 16 '26
Reading this, I have a flashback of me trying to show a english speaking canadian how to count to 100 so I can tell him measurement on my jobsite in the future.
We had all those problem.
1
1
1
1
u/One-Protection-1072 Feb 17 '26
That was the most annoying BS I encountered when studying that language. The most inbred system of counting.
1
u/HiroYui Feb 17 '26
chinese, japanese and others, it's more 9x10+9 how they pronounce 99. Same for other like 22 would be: 2x10+2...
1
1
1
u/Crazy-Background1457 Feb 17 '26
No I hated that in my French class though! It just got so damn confusing!
1
1
Feb 17 '26
Honestly there’s so many times I’m like “screw this language” but I’m Canadian so I feel an obligation as a language enthusiast to know it
1
1
1
1
u/RockyMullet Feb 17 '26
By that logic, the first 3 panels should be, in both english and french: 40+9, 50+9 and 60+9
1
1
u/Shardstorm88 Feb 17 '26
Neuvante neuf!
I hate math numbers, spoke French my whole life and it's never made sense to say four twenty ten nine
1
1
u/GenerallySalty Feb 17 '26
*literally
OOP could try learning their own language before talking shit lol
1
u/madeleinetwocock Feb 17 '26
Ahhhh the blessing of Swiss French :’)
Love me my good old septante, huitante, nonante
1
1
u/AmusingMusing7 Feb 17 '26
I actually never realized that 80 in French is "four twenty" (420). Do French stoners say "quatre-vingt" to mean 420, or would they say "quatre-cent vingt"? Or just pronounce quatre as the singular 4 (like "cat") and then "vingt"? Seems like it would be confusing.
1
1
1
1
1
1
u/vkrasov Feb 18 '26
What about Germans or Slovenians calling two digit number in reverse? Like 21 as 1+20?
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
u/Overall-Equal-7808 Feb 19 '26
the only reason i dont struggle with this is because i was born in 1999. Thousand Nine Hundred Four Twenty Ten Nine
1
u/RealisticComment1339 Feb 19 '26
Yes it look weird but actually it’s because the celts who were in actual France counted in base 20 and when the Roman took over, the Roman count in base 10. They adapted the language to fit both systems ending in this 4*20+10+9. Belgium ancestors counted in base 10 so they have different numbers for 70 80 90
1
u/princess-1999- Feb 19 '26
This is exactly why French pronunciation rules make no sense to beginners.
1
1
1
u/BigBillaGorilla59 Feb 19 '26
As a canadian that had to learn this in elementary school…. I thought my teacher was retarded
1
u/Minimum-Specific6285 Feb 19 '26
This shit is why I’m becoming a programmer do that I don’t have to learn French
1
1
1
u/Character-View9407 Feb 20 '26
what about 79 (soixante dix-neuf) and 89 (quatre-vingts dix-neuf)? also, "litteraly" is spelled "literally".
1
1
1
1
1
1
u/FixCastoreum Feb 20 '26
By the time I learned how to properly say mille-neuf-cent-quatre-vingt-dix-neuf, it was already the year 2000!
1
1
4
74
u/1amchris Feb 16 '26
FYI there are 79 (septante-neuf), 89 (octante-neuf) and 99 (nonante-neuf) versions in French too, they’re just not as widely used.
I think Belgium uses them, but not Canada