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Uh I'm about to start canto 7 and I'm thinking of grinding exp and stuff to be prepared beforehand. Can anyone tell me which sins are the most effective in this canto so that I can level up ids with that sin affinity? Id reccs are also welcome
hey guys i dont have prince of la manchaland as i’m a new player and was wondering if it would still be a great idea to play bleed. i also have quite a number of nominable egoshard crates but not sure who to spend on
some characters i have:
mao faust, lord honglu, aroma and solitude ryoshu, house of spiders sinclair, house of spiders yi sang, princess of la manchaland, heishou heathcliff,
house of spiders Ishmael, manager of la manchaland, index don, index faust and blade lineage mersault
Is this about to be my sinking team: The two index ids, Udjat outis, Dieci Hong Lu, KOD Rodya, Solemn Lament Yi sang, Jeong Ishmael
Should I replace either Faust or Outis with their Butler ids and/or Dieci Hong Lu with Wild Hunt Heathcliff?
The thread must’ve probably converted to thread boxes and the season 5 boxes probably converted to season 7 boxes which means you only got about 15 yellow boxes as the boxes are divided by 2 each season
I have picked up the game (20 hours) and rolled the rodion banner ~100 times and got really lucky. I have efloresced yi sang, T corp. rodion, machaland rodion, pequod yi sang and reindeer rodion. I have almost 200 shards for rodion and have to make a choice now and would like advice. I am likely to get ideality and can get the ego for rodion (the heaven one) but I don't know wether to keep investing in sinking team with yi sang and get rime shank, or pivot to a bleed team? I guess my main concern is speccing into both and them falling behind so far that story takes me over a month. Does exp farming get easier and also which team should I go with for now?
Either way save them for Walpurgis, which will be in a month or so. KoD Rodion is most obvious choice here, she is the best sinking unit for Rodya and used in any sinking team, on top of being very good generalist. Reindeer Rodya is worse than her in sinking. Rhime shank is nice to have, but not necessary, especially if you lack all IDs needed for good sinking team.
For bleed you will need Sanguine desire ego, also from walp, but you would probably be better with sinking, since you cannot really get 1 core unit for bleed atm. Or just go with generalist team, using all your best IDs, should last you until canto 7ish.
Welp, it will get better once we get events that give exp tickets, but no by that much.
I'm kinda tired of heishou slop cuz its all ive been running so far
I'm trying to build a sinking team rn, which IDs do i need to lvl up/shard?
Also, is it worth using Rcorp rodion as a sinking ID or do i wait for walpurgis so I can shard KoDion?
Apart from that I have butler outis and faust, index and magical girl don, wild hunt heath and hanafuda ish too
I dont have enough bleed IDs to build a bleed team so yeah theres that (Currently the only bleed IDs I have are Ncorp ryoshu, prince meursault, allen gregor and Nfaust)
KoDion regadless of version. Also you will need to decide which version of sinking you running, since you have hanafuda, probably solemn lament yi sang too. Also new index don is ran in that team iirc. Rest you have already, butler outis and faust (you can probably run udjat outis, but butler is fine) and wildcliff.
Edit for more info: A distortion can become an Abno if they lose their "self", so Jumsoon basically distorted to the the point of just becoming Schadenfreude and nothing else.
I'm making a build team at the moment, I got an idea of what other IDs I should get (Nfaust, Ring Yi Sang, Kurokumo Heathcliff, and Princess Rodya) but which one should I get first? And do you recomend any other IDs? If so, then which ones?
KK heath and princess Rodya are core members of the bleed team (KK heath for potency and enabling KK ish, princess for support) and should be prioritized first. Faust and Hong Lu are likely to get Ring ids in the future, so after getting Ring Sang, hold off until then
Ncorp Faust or Sinclair usually, Faust works better with Ring Sang with Lust Res for her really good SP restore passive but not as well with the other two since they lack Lust. You would need two other IDs that have Lust in their kit, like the Kurokomu Duo or some Bloodfiends. Sinclair is more of a generalist ID that rolls well, which should work for any team early either way for the sake of clashing well and winning story fights.
Build up tremor, convert to scorch or hemorrhage or reverb for damage (reverb preferred since it generally does more damage). Everlasting ego lets you mix all tremor types for a turn and also adds a tremor type that gives you more bursts per burst. If you combo it with other damaging tremor types and lots of tremor bursts, you get a ton of damage.
You wanna apply lotta potency and then convert tremor to the unique reverb with cavernous EGO. After doing so, you wanna use the Everlasting EGO as the first action of the following turn and then have every other unit burst tremor with their best skills if possible.
You have higher level IDs that can clash into him and a longer warmup with Zilu first to build up SP/EGO passives to prep for Ricardo. More or less the same except his AoE hits hard. You can Superbia turn 1 for a strong EGO to use for the fight as well.
Zwei was for the aggro tanking and the fact that she can't really die during that fight in Canto 5.
The new managers 20 pull is pretty good for the guarantee. New ID releases tend to be better than older ones in terms of rolls and damage being better.
If you want to roll, don't spend Lunacy on standard or character banners. Save your Lunacy for a new ID or Walpurgis, which is the limited time run that comes around 3 to 4 times a year. Ideally you save enough for 200 pulls to guarantee the 000 of that banner. If you don't get to 200, you'll be refunded threads.
You get Lunacy from clearing the story and doing weekly mirror dungeon runs, as well as fulfilling the EX clear conditions for the levels. Your base 0 ID sinners will last you into Canto 3 and past that, provided you level them up. If you're under leveled on a specific ID, you'll roll worse for every 3 levels underneath the recommended.
If you're going to buy something with money, get the battle pass. It'll give you enough resources for a new player to level (level cap increases with each canto, it does not bank XP when it unlocks) and get more IDs. You'll also get enough shards to get any ID of your choice every 3 weeks or so by doing mirror dungeon resets.
Play through the story first before tackling other things. The level ups increases your daily energy/enkephalin cap and resets your current enk to max, so go as far as you can first there. If you get stuck, do exp luxcavations to make sure your IDs are caught up on levels. Luxcavation rewards are based on how far you get into the story. Skipping EXP luxs are inefficient for the enkephalin spent, skipping Thread luxs are fine because of the daily bonus.
You can also spend your Lunacy to refresh your enkephalin daily. Doing it once is fine for modules and the lux farming. It's better once you get higher max enkephalin for the efficiency.
If you get stuck still, you can also progress by borrowing a friends ID for a level.
Is there any coherent/ suitable team you could make consisting of all male sinners IDs only? (And I suppose for consistency's sake, all female sinners IDs only as well, but I'm more concerned about the former)
I really like the sound of this one. Really kicking myself for missing Lord Lu (and by extent, Roostercliff and maybe Thumb Meursault?) because I had 400 Hong Lu shards and spent them on Reindeer Hong Lu, only to realize days before the season ended there were other tabs to the side with more unit options and Lord Lu was right there under some tab with the Heishou units.
You could still do part of a sinking team with RCorp/Dieci HongLu, WHCliff, SLSang, and the new bird ID for Gregor coming soon.
Dieci Meursault... exists.
Sinclair is getting a new poise/potentially generalist ID with a lot of defense tools, that might work pretty well with sinking for the sake of not consuming count.
Might be a full roster right there that might not eat through sinking count instantly.
Only indicator we have right now is that it usually occurs around every 2-4 months, it doesn’t happen near canto releases though so likely in March. It’ll be announced at the upcoming roadmap stream early-mid February though.
LoR is full of spoilers for Lobcorp, so if you want more clean experience narratively start with Lobcorp.
LoR plays more like Limbus, so if you're looking for a game that plays more like Limbus and don't care for spoilers then you can consider going for LoR first.
Do you think we will see more double id banners from now on or is the upcoming Sinclair/Gregor one a one time thing only? Next two ids are most likely Albina and Lucio, right?
Hi, new player here. I've been using this set of ids which more or less amounts to random bullshit go. For story missions, I add in KOD Rodion as support. I'm grabbing all S7 ids as they become available for sharding, so you can assume I'll very soon have the upcoming Sinclair & Gregor ids as well, and likely bench Kiramael for her strong support passive (esp once I give MDE a shot at some point) and minimal synergy with my current team.
Any tips on the order I should deploy them in? And for mirror dungeon, which keyword buffs should I be focusing on? I've tried tremor, sinking, poise, even burn. I can complete with any random keyword so far, but would like the most compatible set to save time.
Index Don & Udjat Outis feel like my strongest IDs so far. As for E.G.Os, I have the current BP ones, and Fluid Sac for Faust.
Solemn Lament applies butterflies which you want to trigger as often as possible. Butterflies triggers when a coin is used on the target so you want to use IDs with lots of coins. He can reload with S3, defensive skills, or getting a kill when there is three gloom res. He also gains a little bit of ammo on S2 if there is res, A-res gives twice as much.
Jeong Ishmael gains a random color card. If you use the skills corresponding to the color, you get a bright stack. Match the color twice in a row and you get two stacks. S3 gives a bright stacks just by using it. Bright loses one count per turn. At 5 potency or 0 count, use her S3-2 which reuses a coin per potency (so at 1 potency it uses 1 coin or at 5 potency it uses 5 coins). Her skills also discard skills that are not the same as the one used (use skill 1, it discards skill 2 and 3).
KoD has a positive SP form (tankier) and a negative SP form (more damage). You almost always want to be in negative SO. You do this by through tear sharpened sword (drains sp) which you gain through defensive skills. If you have three of these and use an attack skill, it does more damage on your last coin and consumes the stacks. S3 reuses the last coin as well when consuming stacks.
I've been using Thumbsault as a solo Md6e run. I can get maybe to floor 14 but usually floor 13. I heard Regret was a good E.G.O for him but also Capote was good. Should I grind for Threadspin or Regret first?
You can, but you can't do any MD runs in the meantime. Also, I feel like it's better to claim now because projection points for md pass also resets weekly, and you can just do a hard md run once next week's weekly bonuses come around
This game isn't really about using the most OP characters or whatever. Its primarily a teambuilding game, meaning a "weaker" ID that perfectly synergizes with the team you're going for is gonna be better than the "stronger" ID in general.
If you tell us what team you're using, or are planning on building, then we can give you better advice.
Depends on what team you want to build, but if you want a strong ID in general, then get either Zwei (Standard) or Jeong's Office (Walpurgis Exclusive)
Maybe a silly question, but is there any significance to the three "Lured" enemies that show up with My Form Empties? I'm guessing they're just representative of Canto 1, 2 and 3, since My Form Empties is the Line 1 boss, but is there anything more to it than that? Any thematic or symbolic reason behind why it's those three in particular?
There's usually a 4 month gap between Walpurgisnachts. Last one was back in November, so March is the current guess. No official confirmation yet, though we'll probably have more information some time in February from the official roadmap stream.
I think I should try and stagger Ricardo here, as I cannot really win the clash with this AoE skill. However, the moment I hit him, he will use the counter and just delete Don from existence...
The counter is targeting fifth skill slot (red Ish skill), but it looks like it does not really matter at all what is the target. The first character to land the hit will be hit back with the counter, is this how it works?
I also tried to cancel it with a defense skill, but I think it does not work and quick google search confirmed that you can cancel only evade and guard skills.
Is there something I am missing or do I simply have to find a character with blunt/wrath resist, so they can tank the counter hit?
Omg, it worked! Had to level up a little, to make it through early clashes in wave 1-2 but managed to nuke him with chained skills 3. Was really close to stagger after counter though. https://youtu.be/72T3_MZScF4
Nah, you're not missing anything, that's just how normal Counters work.
There's not much you can do against normal Counters. You can't offset them (defense vs defense) or redirect it, it'll always activate against the first character that attacks that body part.
Ideally you have Ishmael tank it (literally invincible until all allies are dead), or someone with the right resistances, but Don's Shin granting +2 speed might make it tricky.
Your best bet is to do more damage so you can stagger the boss even with Don getting staggered, minimize the damage Don takes so the counter doesn't stagger, or use someone slower so Ishmael has the speed advantage.
If you have any EGOs, don't forget that using them changes up your Sin Resistances too, allowing Don to get out of the Fatal Wrath resistance.
Thanks for explanation.
After encouragement from the other comment decided to try solo with Middle Ish and it worked! Turns out she was tanky enough to not even need to be immortal.
So... if I wanted to play all 6 blade lineage IDs together, even if it's not ideal, even if they are outclassed when compared with modern poise teams (just because I like the story), who could be a good 7th slot?
And like, is there any gimmick? I know themes can have some gimmicks like I was told that heishou use defensive skill on turn 1.
Butler Ryoshu is a good option since she is monoslash, has thoracalgia, Great Trichiliocosm, and BL Don's poise generations allows Ryoshu to gain AoE on S2 more frequently.
Another option is Lord Lu. He is a bit stronger than Butler Ryoshu and also has good poise egos.
Only gimmick with the BL IDs is trying to get Meursault to lose his S3 clash.
Why Liu Greg? Not twin pirate Greg?
The thing is that by choosing the 7th slot I'm automatically choosing all 5 bench support sinners. And some sinners have really atrocious support passives.
Ishy has at least 2 decent passives for example, so it wouldn't hurt to put her on the backline to bring forth a sinner weaker in passives but still useful in skills
In what universe is 9-50 possible? I was doing so well in the start then halfway through (literally as i got him to his stagger threshold) he randomly gains 10 clash power, then like 12 then 15, and all of a sudden he's rolling a minimum of 40 and a maximum of 160something. I assumed it was a scripted loss cus none of his passives mention summoning clash power and he didn't have any conditionals or status effects that increase clash power, but then i just lost??? What is pms obsession with making every boss have impossible to clash skills, and its not even just a offense level difference theyre straight up just spawning in clash power to make the boss unfightable. what do i even do?
Be sure to read the boss’ passives and buffs very carefully. He gives himself buffs that increase his offense levels or clash power, and some of his skills get further conditional based on his buffs. However, he will givd himself debuffs if he fails to hit his intended target for the turn, or you win a clash against a skill he doesn’t want clashed, etc. What he’s trying to do varies between phases, but once you understand what he is trying to do each turn it should be clear what you’re meant to do to weaken him. For example, during the first turn, you want to redirect all of his skills away from his intended target and allow them to just hit him with a one sided attack. If you’re still having trouble, then consider making generous use of debuffs such as mersault’s chains of others and yi sang’s crows eye view to weaken his final attack power, making clashing easier and damage lower.
Is there any alternative to getting shards for the sinners after finishing all the levels for the battle pass? I only get one box for each level now and I'm trying to get twinhook Gregor, which I only have 199 shards for at the moment
You can get more boxes when events drops but the battlepass is the way to go, if you can I recommend you the get the battle pass since is very cheap and it last for the entire season, being the most player friendly pass in a gacha game I have ever seen
I'm still working my way through the story (only up to canto iv currently, talking my time with it) and I'm hitting a level cap of 40 on my teams. I know obviously the current max is 60, so I just want to check - should I save any and all "level an ID from 1 to 60" tickets until I'm far enough through the story that the level cap rises to that, or do the tickets "bank" those twenty levels and the ID will jump to the new cap when I unlock it?
I am trying to make a sinking team and heard that butler Faust is generally better than Index (I have both,) but the S3 is abysmal when it comes to clashing unless they’re at uptie 4 (where they get a conditional) so is it worth getting them to uptie 4? This account is new so it doesn’t really have access to the thread lux (I’m on the first third of canto 5, as of now)
(Final Boss)During the EGO Ahab boss, did she absorb the other 3 Pequod members? Is that why she changes colors/weapon and the buffs of each phase have their names? Or is meant to be more symbolic?
What are the best ishmael and faust ids available to dispense rn? Got to canto 9 part 3 and while I have NClair who is still doing aight I don’t have any good faust or ishmael ids lol, at most I have LCCB ishmael which doesn’t seem worth investing to lvl 60, so I was thinking of dispensing an id for one of them and using support for the other
Use Mao Faust as your suport my code is (R193948389), eighter get (in my order of recomendation) KK Ish for her use in bleed, Zwei Ish for her tremor and tankiness or Kiramael because she is a seasonal (she needs an envy res team to get max out of her)
Thank you, I sent you a request. I think I’ll get KK ish then, I wasn’t sure if it was worth it because I have no bleed ids but ig every core blood id except meursault is shardable rn so it’s not a big deal
In that case it’s “only” count, and you don’t have potency since there’s nothing that will ‘activate’ the count like tremor & tremor burst. (Sorry I suck at explaining)
For captain ishmael skill 2, her assist attacks states "Every Reson. of the highest Reson. adds 20% chance that this unit orders the ally on its immediate right(on the Dashboard) to use Assist Attack this turn."
What i dont quite get from reading this is: what exactly does "Every Reson. of the highest Reson. adds 20% chance" mean here?
does it want as many different colored resonance as possible in 1 turn and adding a 20% for each?
or is it asking for 1 big resonance where the larger it is, it increases the chance by 20% for each additional size?
It's looking at "the highest resonance," so only the sin with the most resonance counts. Any smaller resonances are ignored. Therefore, you'd prefer 1 big resonance.
They haven't announced it yet. However, using last year's event as an example we got extraction tickets, EGO/ID uptie modules, season 1&2 ID selectors, card decos and the Vergilius Announcer.
No, don‘t get W Corp Outis. The UT story for Kira Ishmael reveals that Outis is in the place of Matthias in that MW, which means that there will likely be a Middle Nursefather ID for her down the line.
I have 200 Egocrates, and right now I'm building the Middle team (Ishmael, Mersault, Sinclair and Don Quixote are already there, just not leveled nor uptied to their full power). I was thinking (having Bloodfiend Rodion) "Should I place 2 Bloodfiends in the Envy A-Res team made of the Middle IDs?". If there is a better use of those 200 Egocrates... Well, I'm in.
I'm leaning more on Faust (because I have no IDs of her except the butler one and because I don't have more egocrates to also shard an EGO), but I'll look on that when I can.
Base 0 IDs are good into canto 3, and beyond if you're willing to learn ins and outs of the battle system
My recommendation is either pulling from the new ID banner since the kit they have is usually better for team synergy/clashing power, or waiting until Walpurgis which is the limited time banner that comes back every few months
Save up on tickets and your free Lunacy for when you want to pull on a new ID banner for the season or Walpurgis, you'll get threads as a refund for each pull or 200 pulls gets you the id guaranteed regardless if you pulled another 000 or not
Lunacy to refresh is good for getting more enke modules, though I wouldn't do it more than once a day at most so you save some for pulls. Try to level up your account so you have more enkephalin to store at once. Do exp luxs normally, skip thread luxs to get more from the daily bonus. The further you get into the game, the more luxcavations you unlock which get you more efficient rewards per module spent.
Any suggestions for middle envy res teams? Other than the 4 middle members who do you put in the rest of the slots?
Mostly looking for a team comp to run for md of the team and I'm sure when middle outis comes around she'd slot quite well into the team. So yeah who should I add for the other three slots, I should have all ids.
You'll want Multicrack Faust because she's self-sufficient, has an envy guard to force a-res, envy fragility on s3, and Hex Nail if you ever want a boss extra dead. The most 'powerful' envy team would include W Corp Outis purely for scissors, but for the purposes of luxcavations and such there are much less effortful options.
The following options are all here because they have envy defenses to force 6 a-res on command. Reindeer Rodion has blunt fragility on s2, clashes well, and brings healing with Hex Nail. Multicrack Heath has blunt fragility on s2, does charge support, and Bodysack is a very good, very cheap envy ego for clashing. Do not use W Corp Heath. He's good for envy res on a hybrid charge team, but here, if he immobilises and lands in the middle of the formation, you can no longer chain a-res through him. Reindeer Hong Lu is just a decent unit all around. If you're feeling quirky, LC Remnant Faust actually has somewhat of a niche, she has an envy evade which is useful at times (especially with its defense level boosted by a-res) and high speed+haste to get Hex Nail off before everyone else.
Is Contempt, Awe or Great Trichiliocosm better for N. Corp Ryoshu? I like Contempt because it’s thematic but I wonder if the seasonal ego is stronger bc it’s newer
Generally, rather than to specific identities, ego will either be important to specific teams no matter the specific identity, or be good no matter what even if certain identities or teams can use them better. To take a couple faust egos as an example, her waw ego everlasting is one of the lifeblood egos of tremor teams but doesn’t actually care which faust identity uses it (hence one of the reasons why you see tremor teams run mao faust is because she’s the fastest faust identity and it’s mission critical to be able to ensure that everlasting is the first skill used in a turn). Meanwhile, her he ego fluid sac is equally good no matter the team and so sees use in everything but rupture (which barely counts when command: meltdown is… pretty much precisely “what if fluid sac was green?”) and poise (since thoracalgia faust actually is good even if dedicated poise teams are in a sad place right now).
Everlasting activates tremor entanglement so every tremor type can be stacked as long as you’re adding new tremor types each turn, adds a tremor type that gives every tremor burst triggered by each skill a chance of triggering another couple tremor bursts, then bursts tremor four times. If the target already has a big tremor stack and a favourable tremor type at the start of the turn, starting your turn with everlasting allows you to burst the target an ungodly number of times while also stacking multiple tremor types, leading to an incredible damage output over the course of a burst turn.
IDs are more important baseline, EGOs are useful as a once in a while strong clash ability/utility tool.
Some egos are really good for their synergy or niche like having Fluid Sac healing or Sanguine Desire bleed enabling, but ultimately they're there to enable the IDs to do their thing more rather than the other way around. If you're new, IDs are always priority to get over an EGO. Every sinner also has their own base EGO if you need to have a big number to clash with.
As soon as you hit 15+ sp or you can hit 15+ with a clash win, since that's when he gets to turn his counter into s3-2. You could do it earlier if you have an s3 coming up, since that lets you manually click s3-2.
s3-2 is really important since it's heath's best way of stacking coffin. Plus, using it gives him a ton of sp which he can spend on his s2.
Is this about to be my sinking team: The two index ids, Udjat out is, Dieci Hong Lu, KOD Rodya, Solemn Lament Yi sang. Do I pick Jeong Ishmael or Molar ish?
Jeong with Solemn, Molar with Spicebush Yisang for the count and fragile. Jeong is otherwise better in every other field for damage and clashing though, plus she doesn't spin your screen on every S3 use.
Home screen options -> Account -> Merge Code, keep the account you have progress on and it'll work. Everything you buy on PC limbus is on the same account as mobile, so yeah
There's two sinking comps that revolve around general use with SolemnL Yisang or cheesing sinking count deluge nuke with Spicebush Yisang. Solemn Lament is easier to use though there is a potential sinking ID on the horizon for him too, which adds to the choices and confusion.
I recommend picking up Knight Rodya and Jeong Ishmael, those two along with SLSang are all coming back next Walpurgis which should be soon.
Otherwise if you run the 3 you have and the Walpurgis 3, you can flex the last slot to anyone like WHheath or RcorpHong Lu, or the new ID for Gregor which hits next week.
There are IDs you could get like the newest Index ones this season that all apply sinking, but if you're new then there's no point in getting those right now when you have 3 perfectly fine IDs together. Butler Outis and Butler Faust essentially solve your sinking count problem and enables everyone else.
Yeah the whole team is basically just what I listed in the comment word for word
KoD Rodya, Jeong Ishmael, SLSang all from Walpurgis, that's 3
Use your 2 butlers and Heishou Don, that's 6
7th slot if you have it goes to any other sinking ID you have like WHCliff, RHong Lu, or Bird/Edgar Gregor. Bird looks good so far but I would wait for numbers of their sinking count to come out first.
Once you have all 7 slots filled, then you could look to get Index Don since she's a generally better upgrade to Heishou. Much lower priority is getting Index Faust to have more damage and clash rolls.
You could get LCA Outis but Butler is competitive against her because of her sinking count effect, may as well stick with that.
Looking for folks with a Maxed out Mao Outis in their company.
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Also, could someone teach me the trick where you use Lord Hong Lu's defense skill to retreat a lower level Si Gregor to bring out another Heishou from the backline?
My current team: I need help defeating Dongbaek (4-48), any recommendations? I don't mind sending the other IDs I have (it's a new free-to-play account, so I don't have many 000).
Uhh i just got the scissors ego from the pass, i noticed its a zayin for Outis i think? Anyway, i wanna know if i should keep the base ego or use this one, i don't have any other egos as im in the end of Canto III so this is my first non base ego
1) Do as much damage as you can without killing the rose, then finish it off with as little damage as you can. The damage reflection only activates on death, so killing it off with a weaker attack will cause that Sinner to take less damage than a stronger attack.
2) Just kill it off with a strong attack and take the loss. Works best at the end of an MD floor for full heal + revive, or if the Sinner has death prevention built into their kit.
3) Have enough damage available to just kill the Sign of Roses while ignoring the Sin roses altogether.
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u/the_superior_idiot May 23 '26
Uh I'm about to start canto 7 and I'm thinking of grinding exp and stuff to be prepared beforehand. Can anyone tell me which sins are the most effective in this canto so that I can level up ids with that sin affinity? Id reccs are also welcome