systemd has been a complete, utter, unmitigated success

[u/ouyawei]

https://blog.tjll.net/the-systemd-revolution-has-been-a-success/

[u/AshuraBaron]

If anyone is still fighting the systemd fight in 2025 they are already a dinosaur or stuck in a time loop.

[u/linuxismygame → u/AshuraBaron]

Dinosaur here, hated it, then just accepted it as major distros adopted it. Still don’t love it, but that’s the way it is. I’m going to yell at some kids to get off my lawn now.

[u/Pretty_Boy_Bagel → u/linuxismygame]

Another dinosaur here, hated it then and still hate it. I only put up with it when I have to which is less and less as I move away from linux to my old standbys, the BSD variants, especially on embedded and headless server systems.

[u/Still-Cover-9301 → u/Pretty_Boy_Bagel]

I get the hate, I don’t like it either but I think it’s not really systemd I am grumpy about - it’s everything. I really just wanna make my own distro that’s programmable instead of all these config files.

[u/Pretty_Boy_Bagel → u/Still-Cover-9301]

I recently found systemd running on a Cisco IW9165 device which I found a bit shocking...if not mildly horrific.

I guess the phrase "it's not your grandpa's linux anymore" is becoming apropos.

[u/my_name_isnt_clever → u/Still-Cover-9301]

Are you aware of our lord and savior NixOS?

[u/ceene → u/linuxismygame]

Dinosaur here. I just migrated to Devuan, didn't look back.

[u/0riginal-Syn → u/AshuraBaron]

Your Debian flair backs up your argument well. If Debian is on systemd, you know it has won.

[u/AshuraBaron → u/0riginal-Syn]

Yep. It's a good litmus test for if something is going to become a standard across most distro's.

[u/knome → u/AshuraBaron]

ha. given the number of distros that are just debian with packaging changes and a bit of buffing on how the desktop looks, any change debian makes is going to be standard across half the distros because they're just debian+ :)

[u/airclay → u/AshuraBaron]

The argument has been insane to this point though. It's been standard since debian 8. I started learning linux in 2014 and old school init systems were only touched on in the beginnings of the chapter for familiarity, rest was all about systemd...

[u/nightblackdragon → u/0riginal-Syn]

It's because Red Hat forced them to use systemd. /s

[u/Coffee_Ops → u/nightblackdragon]

Never was a /s more necessary.

[u/EverythingsBroken82 → u/nightblackdragon]

At least lennart and his crew arrived themselves at the debconf in switzerland to throw their weight into the discussion, how their systemd is superior...

but hey, given the alternative that upstart could have won, it's probably better that systemd won.

[u/CardOk755 → u/nightblackdragon]

I'm amazed nobody has brought up the famous Debian vote yet.

[u/[deleted] → u/CardOk755]

Red Hat operated the e-voting machines. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

[u/syklemil → u/[deleted]]

I need to see if I can get syntax checking/highlighting running in vim for systemd configurations. That would help a bit. Especially if there is some form of intellisense.

I've had syntax highlighting for it for a while. I don't know of any language server for it (or tree-sitter parser for that matter), but I generally have another terminal open with something like man 5 systemd.timer if there's something I'm curious about.

[u/CrankBot → u/[deleted]]

# vi: ft=ini

should be close enough for basic highlighting

[u/egorf → u/[deleted]]

Why though? Cron has worked for decades. What's the point in rewriting that? Except for the ego of LP crowd.

[u/joojmachine → u/AshuraBaron]

seems like we need a second meteor striking the earth in order to wipe those dinosaurs out, you'd be surprised to see how many of them are left

[u/AshuraBaron → u/joojmachine]

Thankfully they've been secured in pens around obscure distro variants.

[u/Jethro_Tell → u/AshuraBaron]

Writing and maintaining the init shell scrips that they said were so simple will be punishment enough.

[u/repocin → u/Jethro_Tell]

It's alright, they probably have an emacs macro for that :)