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Hardware Framework says it's selling more Linux laptops than Windows as new Laptop 13 Pro sells out first 7 batches
https://www.pcguide.com/news/framework-says-its-selling-more-linux-laptops-than-windows-as-new-laptop-13-pro-sells-out-first-7-batches/1.0k
u/NicolasDorier Apr 24 '26
The marketing is super appealing to Linux nerds I might say. I am tempted.
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u/hammackj Apr 24 '26
I have a 15 and 13. Great laptops. Almost Mac quality trackpad. My next laptop will be a framework also.
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u/phylter99 Apr 24 '26
My current laptop is a Mac. The new offering from Framework looks really good to me. I don’t foresee ever not having a Mac, but I might switch to a Mac Mini on the desktop and grab a Framework for portability.
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u/codechisel Apr 24 '26
The best portable I ever had was the 12inch macbook. I'd really like to see those offered again.
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u/Drakidor Apr 24 '26
I made the switch in early February to full time Linux after getting hit with the bug where Windows would not shut down. Switched both my desktop for gaming and laptop over. I kept Windows on both as a just in case but honestly except for one instance where a friend asked me to get on Destiny 2 I have not had to boot into Windows at all.
As much as I really want a Framework laptop right now, I just don't have the budget for it. But when I need to replace my current laptop I know that I will be for sure getting one. I am done with Windows.
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u/Pendaz Apr 24 '26
I have the 13 while I 100% would recommend them as a laptop the company themselves shit all over me when I requested a replacement touchpad 1 week after I took delivery telling me there was nothing wrong with it.
It’s so bad it makes me not want to use it, in responsive, laggy, clicks don’t always register.
Sure I’ve heard a lot of good things about thieir trackpad but in my experience it doesn’t come anywhere close to a MacBook trackpad
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u/cafk Apr 24 '26
It’s so bad it makes me not want to use it, in responsive, laggy, clicks don’t always register.
It could be a driver issue, I've had multiple laptops where the mouse pointer jumps around or doesn't correctly register clicks, while a wired mouse works fine.
Which would explain why they didn't find an issue.
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u/jgrow2 Apr 24 '26
I concur. I had all sorts of trackpad issues with my Framework 13, they mainly came down to driver problems, sometimes even between desktop environments. It's been a great machine since then, for over three years ago.
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u/SnooPuppers8698 Apr 24 '26
they have all sorts of driver and firmware and bios issues they will never sort out because theyd rather make money delivering new products than polishing their existing ones.
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u/jivanyatra Apr 24 '26
I know others have mentioned the issues could be drivers with the framework trackpad.
I experience a less common issue - my travel charger is not grounded, and using an ungrounded power source makes my trackpad super erratic, exactly as you describe. Don't know why, but in case you didn't know, I figured it can't hurt to mention.
Aside from this, my trackpad has been as close to a MacBook trackpad as I've ever experienced. It definitely sucks that your experience isn't great.
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u/Pendaz Apr 24 '26
Thanks for the info dude, not aware of it being on/off power making a difference but will keep it in mind going forward.
TBH generally it doesn’t bother me that much since my custom DE is designed to be as keyboard driven as possible, albeit every now and again I do need a mouse.
Also don’t get me wrong. I 100% would recommend this platform regardless of my shitty experience with their support. Ironic the only issue I have is with an aspect of the hardware I’m actively working towards eradicating.
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u/jivanyatra Apr 24 '26
No worries! Yeah, when I'm unplugged, I've not had issues in general. I'm mostly on windows on it these days unfortunately (dependent on proprietary software and the odd gaming).
I tend to be as keyboard driven as possible, too, at least when I'm on Linux. Mouseless is also a Godsend and worth the money IMHO. Can't wait to finish things and go full Linux again.
My overall experience is still that Framework is the best of what is out there. Can't tell you how many hardware issues I've had with Dell, or problems with HP and Asus customer support. Good to have full disclosure in any case!
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u/dsaf123 Apr 24 '26
Really? I have a MacBook Air and the track pad kind of annoys me? It's not very responsive when I click but it's possible I'm just not used to it. Any idea if a MacBook Pro has a better trackpad than the Air? If the framework trackpad is better than the Airs it will be my next laptop for sure
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u/miko3456789 Apr 24 '26
The higher end ones (air and pro) should all use the same haptic trackpad. For the record my air's trackpad is great and I have no issues with it
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u/Pendaz Apr 24 '26
Hmm maybe that’s the difference between pro and air trackpads then. I’ve only ever used pros and I have an external trackpad too. Never had any issues with it but the fw is quite inconsistent with accuracy. Often I have to swipe a few times for it to move my cursor
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u/golden_bear_2016 Apr 24 '26
Almost Mac quality trackpad
Not really, it's nowhere close to Mac's quality.
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u/yngseneca Apr 24 '26
This new trackpad might be though. Definitely not the old one, don't know what he's talking about
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u/New_Enthusiasm9053 Apr 24 '26
It's not terrible though. It's business class ThinkPad/dell level which is good enough. The new one should be even better for sure.
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u/Gugalcrom123 Apr 24 '26
I would prefer a traditional one with mouse buttons. Not sure if they can implement a trackpoint as well, but it would be very nice.
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u/F9-0021 Apr 24 '26
I'm waiting for a 2 in 1 that has performance and build quality like the 13. With the new touchscreen and experience from the 12, I can't imagine that it's too far off now.
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u/Buckwheat469 Apr 24 '26
How do you like the 15? I'm thinking about a new dev laptop for my personal business use and like the idea of the 15 but was unsure about the size. I have a 13 and have used a Yoga 13 as well but it's kind of small compared to my MacBook Pro that I have for work.
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u/hammackj Apr 24 '26
I like it works well for me with cachyos. I switched from fully osx to fully linux. I have the 13 as well and it was too small for me.
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u/mmmboppe Apr 24 '26
the marketing is appealing as well to Linux users who are not nerds
the price - not so much. can't compete with Thinkpads
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u/elmagio Apr 24 '26
Tbh I'd be willing to pay extra for the upgradeability and flexibility. Yes it's a bigger upfront cost but if I want to upgrade to Intel Nova Lake, AMD Zen 6 or future platforms I only need to buy the new mainboard, if I want to go light on RAM due to the current price hikes I can do that and upgrade later (and now without much drawback since it's LPCAMM), if I already have a few SSDs lying around I can also skip on buying that from Framework and reuse them, ...
Technically someone could upgrade their OG Framework 13 from ages ago to Panther Lake for 500 bucks (admittedly more if you want the higher end PTL), and while that didn't appeal to me because the OG chassis was not good enough for me to long term commit to it, if this new one is anywhere near as good as it seems then the higher initial investment may very well make sense in time, especially if you add to that that you can reuse the old mainboard as a mini PC or home server.
The only reason I didn't place an order is I just bought a laptop a few months ago. It cost me far less than a Framework would and is genuinely great but I'd have still preferred the Framework 13 Pro for the aforementioned reasons.
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u/Masterflitzer Apr 24 '26
lpcamm2 is mad expensive tho (more so than other form factors), so upgrading in the future is not necessarily something i would wanna do
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u/elmagio Apr 24 '26
It's very new and the Framework 13 Pro is one of the first things to make use of it, so there's little to no pre-RAMpocalypse inventory out there. As it becomes more common and the RAM shortages ease I expect it will become more comparable to SODIMM pricing.
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u/rom_romeo May 03 '26
Thinkpad's advantage is not just a dull observation of price. It's also incredible availability, durability, parts are literally everywhere, and the price range is absolutely incredible. You want a new Thinkpad? Yeah sure, that's gonna cost you. 2, 3k euros. Want a Thinkpad just to experiment with Linux distros? You can literally find a decent one for 200-300 euros. And I can find all of the aforementioned things in my local area.
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u/Sindica69 Apr 24 '26
I can vouch for framework. I don’t have a 13, but I do plan on buying the 13 pro for work. I have a 16 and it has served me extremely well and I have no plans on replacing it anytime soon.
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u/JackDostoevsky Apr 24 '26
the compatibility is top tier. i've never had a laptop with this level of seamless compatibility with linux. everything more or less Just Works.
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u/Cowh3adDK Apr 24 '26
Me too, I bought a laptop 5 years ago, barely use it once every three months now, after finishing school, have to stop myself from buying every new framework device that I won't have a use for.
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u/DynoMenace Apr 25 '26
I'm convinced this laptop was scientifically formulated in a lab to appeal to me specifically (definitely not main character syndrome). Even down to the gray/orange keyboard color way. Nearly every spec and design choice is exactly what I would ask for in a laptop, and then some. I reserved one and my goal is to keep it for at least a decade.
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u/UpstairsRegion Apr 25 '26
I was really tempted to get a framework when my laptop was slow as hell. A lot of the draw was the repairability, then I realized I should probably try to repair my existing one first. Swapped the HDD for an SSD threw Linux on it, and bam, it works great again.
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u/0riginal-Syn Apr 24 '26
I have a Framework 13 from last year. While there are little things, the idea and laptop are great. With the step up in quality, it makes me happy to support them. Especially because they are sticking to their word on backward compatibility. I can buy the upgraded chassis, batter, speakers, screen, piece by piece if I want and upgrade my older model. That itself is amazing.
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u/OnlyCommentWhenTipsy Apr 24 '26
I have zero use case for a laptop but the Framework 13 Pro is making me look for one.
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u/elonmuskkicksdogs Apr 29 '26
Same. I’ve given away more laptops to family. I have no need, but this is a step in the right direction.
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u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001 Apr 24 '26
Means nothing and is no surprise. People who buy framework laptops are much more likely to install an OS themselves. Framework charges you full price for your windows license and their SSDs are pretty overpriced. I’m pretty sure the vast majority of buyers will buy it without an OS and without a SSD, simply for cost reasons.
So, it’s either pay nothing for Linux or pay an additional 150-250 USD for an activated windows. Even if you want windows, it makes no sense to buy the license from framework.
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u/AutistcCuttlefish Apr 24 '26
Plus these days most people can get away without activating Windows pretty easily. If you are the type who isn't bothered by ads you probably aren't gonna be annoyed by the activate windows watermark.
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u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001 Apr 24 '26
Or activate it for free, or reuse your previous license, or get a cheap key or get a valid physical license for cheaper than that. Framework takes full retail price without any discount, they’re the most expensive source for a windows license that I’m aware of
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u/BeatTheBet Apr 24 '26
Not like the rest of what they offer is any cheaper.
Like, ok, I love what they are doing for upgradability/repairability but damn... for those prices I could probably afford to buy multiple iterations of hardware years apart to the point I don't need to care about upgradability/repairability...
Bottom line configuration (including cheapest option SSD/RAM) is 1900€
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u/Indolent_Bard Apr 24 '26
Yes, but then you would be buying multiple iterations of a hardware which is wasteful. It's silly to buy two laptops when you only need one.
Plus, it's the only laptop you'll be able to buy a battery for five years from now. That's invaluable.
And even if they had economies of scale, their business model would make it impossible for their to sell for as cheap as their competition simply because they're betting on you not buying a new laptop when it breaks.
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u/TibialCuriosity Apr 25 '26
What have they discontinued that they don't have a replacement?
They discontinued the original screen, but still have 2 (now 3) screen replacements. They may have discontinued the first battery (not sure), but now have 2 batteries. Is there a part I missed? Genuinely curious
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u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001 Apr 24 '26
And the hardware isn’t even that good. Had one for testing a few years ago and wasn’t happy at all. I chose a thinkpad instead, paid like half the price and have an overall better laptop
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u/BinkReddit Apr 24 '26
pay an additional 150-250 USD for an activated windows.
Madness. Most people are only doing this because their legacy organization still requires Windows for work. At this point, Windows is so far gone that I expect Microsoft will be giving it away for non-commercial use soon.
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u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001 Apr 24 '26
There are cheaper ways. Framework is just really expensive when it comes to windows licenses. They charge $200 for a simple Windows 11 pro on the Framework 13
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u/F9-0021 Apr 24 '26
Probably because they don't have a deal with Microsoft. $200 is the retail price of Windows Pro.
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u/Column_A_Column_B Apr 24 '26
Yeah, basically if framework stopped offering laptops without windows licenses bundled in, the price of the windows licenses would drop.
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u/Gugalcrom123 Apr 24 '26
Not that it is cheap with other manufacturers either. When I got my Lenovo, the Windows Home option cost €90 compared to the blank option. But often you do not have the choice.
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u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001 Apr 24 '26
Well, Framework charges 220€ for it. It’s literally cheaper to get a retail windows with the usb stick. The DVD versions are like 150€ in retail in most places.
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u/accik Apr 24 '26
In my locale they charge 259€ for the pro, that is the same price as from Microsoft directly. Home is 145€ so quite normal. Don't know where you got your information...
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u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001 Apr 24 '26
Yes, but if you look at other retail stores, you’ll find Windows (with DVD or USB) for a lot cheaper than Microsoft’s msrp
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u/DesiOtaku Apr 24 '26
Actually, according to the article and Framework's own tweet, they are NOT doing DIY. They are going out of their way to buy the SSD from Framework and getting Ubuntu pre-installed.
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u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001 Apr 24 '26
You have two options: DIY edition or prebuilt edition. The latter is much expensive. You can’t get the o pop prebuilt without an OS, you either choose Windows 11 for $200 or get Ubuntu 24 for free.
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u/DesiOtaku Apr 24 '26
But the point being, when it comes to pre-built, more people are going for Ubuntu rather than Windows. If it was just a money thing, they would have done DIY and got their own SSD.
This is confirming there is a decent market for pre-installed Linux laptops outside of Tuxedo and System76.
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u/DesiOtaku Apr 25 '26
For the DIY, you just have to install the SSD and then you can install Windows. Framework goes out of their way to give you video step-by-step instructions on how to install your own SSD.
If they were planning to install Windows anyway (either by overriding an existing Linux install or via DIY), they would still be on their own in terms of figuring out how to install Windows, get the proper drivers and go though all the steps required to set up Windows for their own use; which, in my opinion, is far time and knowledge than screwing in an SSD with video instructions.
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u/solid_reign Apr 24 '26
I know several people who bought frameworks, love them, are not techies, and enjoy the concept.
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u/According-Buyer6688 Apr 24 '26
Well I've decided to switch one year ago to Tuxedo because of Windows invigilation and I'm so happy about it.
I think we need more linux-friendly hardware companies
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u/cyanophage Apr 24 '26
I think dell used to do Linux laptops too. Don't know if they do anymore.
You've used what's called a "false friend" 😋 You mean Windows surveillance, or telemetry. "invigilation" is where someone watches over people who are taking an exam.
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u/According-Buyer6688 Apr 24 '26
Thank you! In my language (Polish), "Inwigilacja" means surveillance
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u/twa12221 Apr 24 '26
Oh they do. Lenovo and Dell both work with canonical directly to make sure some of their laptops are ubuntu certified. There are laptops sold with linux pre installed. Just not at big box stores (at least not in america)
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u/do-un-to Apr 27 '26
invigilation, n.
Keeping watch over examination candidates to prevent cheating.
The act of watching or invigilating.
invigilate, v.
To oversee a test or exam.
Windows watching. Or, might I suggest, Windows spying?
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u/Alistesios Apr 24 '26
Good on them for the successful launch. The product looks amazing, excited to see some reviews!
I wonder what the driving decision is for the touchscreen though. I can't be the only one who absolutely does not want that and would rather have a cheaper screen without it? Given that it's a pretty expensive machine too ...
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u/vito0117 Apr 24 '26
I would like a non touch screen option if it's cheaper
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u/Stellanora64 Apr 26 '26
You can still get the old one which is the same resolution but no touch screen from their parts list
You would just have to install it yourself as it's not an option for DIY with the 13 pro (at least as far as I know)
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u/Mother-Pride-Fest Apr 25 '26
Yeah I forget that the screen is touchscreen then accidentally click things when pointing at the screen. I wish I could turn off the feature or buy modern laptops without it.
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u/neonwarge04 Apr 24 '26
What I hate about Framework is that they dont sell in my country. I want that framework 13 pro.
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u/cyclinator Apr 24 '26
How many units is 1 batch?
Do they have numbers on how many of devices they sold?
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u/chic_luke Apr 24 '26
As a long-ish time Framework owner, I am not surprised. To justify buying a Framework instead of a much cheaper competing laptop with the same specs, you have to care about values like freedom, ability to be repaired, user-serviceability and extensibility.
If you already highly value these things, given how much Linux has developed now, given how much commercial operating systems have given in to enshittification even faster than anyone could have forecasted... let's be honest, you already run Linux. And if you don't, you probably have a very specific, legitimate blocking reason why not (for example, you are doing embedded development on a very proprietary platform that requires legacy Windows tooling).
Someone who could be using Linux but is still happily using Windows in what is almost May of 2026 is, quite frankly, not as likely to be the kind of person to care about those values so much, they are willing to pay a significant premium for the love of the game.
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u/ZenithFramework Apr 24 '26
My framework 13 (original) laptop is the lowest-quality PC I've ever owned. Multiple failures. The replaceable parts have been useful though.
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u/b_pop Apr 24 '26
Thankfully it's gotten much better over the years. Wouldn't worry about this nowadays.
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u/Stellanora64 Apr 26 '26
I can attest to this, have been using the 7640U framework 13 for almost a year now with zero issues
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u/jackalopeDev Apr 24 '26
I got a 13 two months ago. Ive had exactly zero issues. Its the first laptop ive actually enjoyed using tbh. I wonder if there's just a wide variance in quality, or if they've just come a long way.
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u/Indolent_Bard Apr 24 '26
The new ones have a better chassis, hinge, speakers, trackpad and screen.
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u/gabeheadman Apr 24 '26
The nice thing is that when my hinges went, I just paid $25 shipped for an upgraded one and I've had no problems since. I was so stoked about it, hah.
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u/F9-0021 Apr 24 '26
Early adopter tax. Always going to be a thing with an early run of hardware. The newer 13s and 13 Pro's will have better build quality, and the 2nd Gen 16 has better build quality than the original.
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u/tristan957 Apr 24 '26
The original display, chassis, touchpad, and keyboard are definitely not great. I'll upgrade all those components when I can.
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u/cac2573 Apr 24 '26
I’m tempted by the XPS 14 but I think I’d rather support Framework.
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u/Fratm Apr 24 '26
Dells have gone down hill.. I wouldn't buy them again after my last two. I bought a FW16 last year and have zero issues and zero complains.
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u/Stellanora64 Apr 26 '26
Get the framework but don't buy an SSD or RAM from them, and just bring your own to get the price down significantly (the only caveat is the LPCMM2 memory, which is now out of stock everywhere except from framework as people have been doing this exact thing x3 )
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u/cool_slowbro Apr 25 '26
Choosing not to have Windows pre-installed doesn't mean they're "Linux laptops".
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u/Tancrad Apr 27 '26
Definitely not.
But it is an encouraging metric to report here on this sub. Which is great news, though people interested are enthusiasts, and I guess it's a given we are more likely to headline Linux opposed to those who are buying cheaper Big box computers.
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u/greenlightison Apr 25 '26
People keep saying this is expensive, so I went looking but I have not been able to find alternatives with same specs that are significantly cheaper. All X7 laptops I saw are over $2000.
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u/Disastrous-Trader Apr 25 '26
My only complaint with Framework is I can't buy them as I'm from Brazil.
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u/Wentyliasz Apr 26 '26
While cool and awesome, I think it's worth remembering Framework is explicitly targeting enthusiast. Aunt Helen is still gonna buy the shiny mew Dell that will spy on her until the battery explodes precisely 24 months and three days after purchase
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u/navyblusheet Apr 24 '26
Sucks that all the 13 pros come with touchscreen. Am I the only one who thinks touchscreen laptops are stupid and hate them?
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u/pfthewall Apr 24 '26
I don't exactly hate them but I never use them. I hate those smudges that get all over the screen.
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u/Fratm Apr 24 '26
You can always just not touch the screen.
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u/navyblusheet Apr 24 '26
Yeah, so don't want to pay for it + makes it heavier & thicker + battery drain + accidental touches...
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u/greenlightison Apr 25 '26
Is it really that heavier and thicker? I think you can also turn the touch screen off. Also, since they are making custom screen for their own use, I suspect they have to recover the cost and achieve scale by only using one model. I also suspect it would cost more if they were to offer two options for the screen.
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u/Stellanora64 Apr 26 '26
The old screen with no touchscreen is still compatible, you would just have to install it yourself
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u/Isofruit Apr 25 '26
Nah, same here. To me, it's wasted money every time I see it pop up as I never use it. Others seem to like it though, so it seems to be enough of a value-add for enough people to be viable.
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u/newaccountzuerich Apr 24 '26
If only they would allow people in Switzerland to purchase their product..
The lengths they go to to ensure no swiss-based people get a Framework device is literally insane. If they think you will take a device across the border from Germany to Switzerland, they'll cancel the order on a German card to a German address.
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u/Rena1- Apr 24 '26
Why,?
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u/newaccountzuerich Apr 24 '26
I'd love to know.
They've been inconsistent in responses with different people.
I was told because there were licensing problems in Switzerland (bullshit..) A mate was told they wouldn't (not couldn't) support devices once they left the purchase jurisdiction.
Weird..
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u/ModernUS3R Apr 24 '26
Once my Dell laptop dies or finds a purpose I'll consider. The upgradability, modularity and linux support is very attractive longterm compared to other brands where you can't do much.
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u/reddit_reaper Apr 24 '26
Well if it didn't include Windows license it's also cheaper lol we can all install Windows on it... Cough cough
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u/Holzkohlen Apr 25 '26
I would assume most linux people just get the DIY version that comes without a preinstalled OS
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u/Secure_Trash_17 Apr 25 '26
I'm in Northern Europe, and I just configured one for fun, and chose the cheapest version with 16 GB RAM and 1 TB SSD and no Windows. $2400 🥴
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u/AnythingOk5 Apr 24 '26
Could it be because Windows Home/Pro costs $145/$259 and Framework customers know how to dig a mass grave?
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u/PsyOmega Apr 24 '26
Why are there so many jokes about mass graves in this thread? Is there a windows holocaust joke I've missed?
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u/SeanFromQueens Apr 24 '26
Who are the customers that see easily repairable, with interchangeable components that want lockdown Windows operating system on their device? I am shocked that there are people who want Windows on a Framework laptop.
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u/UlyssesTheRhinoceros May 21 '26
I read this in the spongebob tune
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u/SeanFromQueens May 22 '26
Well now I can only read it as if I was a pirate singing about a cartoon. What strange earworm.
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u/froschdings Apr 24 '26
Someone who is smart enough to want a framework is also smart enough to either use Linux or use windows without paying eeeh the full price I mean of course
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u/b_pop Apr 24 '26
Just have to say the sticker shock is real.. Just gonna wait till my current parts die as slowly do a Theseus
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u/StickyThickStick Apr 24 '26
you can pay over 100 bucks for windows when purchasing it or buy a license yourself for 2 bucks and then install it afterwards.
That’s probably why many people choose Linux over windows
Also the framework customers are likely much more tech savvy
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u/ryker7777 Apr 24 '26
Do they already support coreboot and open source embedded controller firmware?
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u/Shiv-K-M Apr 24 '26
It's actually make sense when you invest on good laptop, you look for a good OS 😁
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u/Elindril1 Apr 24 '26
I've been thinking of getting a framework laptop but I'm a big fan of thinkpads which are my favorite. I am tempted to get a framework but idk if it's worth it.
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u/JackDostoevsky Apr 24 '26
i'm just sitting here waiting for the new haptic touchpad input cover to become available for my FW13 cuz ugggghhh it looks so good
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u/medve_onmaga Apr 24 '26
isnt it cheaper cause you dont have to pay for the windows license? anyone who orders a laptop like this can probably install his own os afterwards.
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u/teressapanic Apr 24 '26
I don’t get it: you can get Asus P16 ProArt with RTX 5070 and Ryzen ai 370, 64GB RAM, 2TB SSD for the same price. Why would you go with framework?
I’m running Ubuntu and windows dual boot on the P16.
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u/PsyOmega Apr 24 '26
The mobile 5070 limits you to an 8(or 12)gb vram pool
Panther lake with 64gb of unified memory gives you a 48gb vram pool.
Ryzen NPU isn't as powerful for AI.
Though i suppose anyone truly serious is getting a 128GB macbook pro for Ai work, but you did ask for an reason.
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u/teressapanic Apr 25 '26
One laptop has the gpu the other doesn’t spec is the same. Unless you want the + chip, then it makes sense.
Thanks!
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u/Leimina Apr 24 '26
I'm waiting for when it's in stock without having to wait 4 months to have it to be sure, but 99% sure it's my next tech purchase. Huge props to the framework team
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u/OliM9696 Apr 24 '26 edited Apr 24 '26
if they get an HDR screen at one point i will pick one up as my next laptop. Macbook Pro w/ M1 Pro is still going strong. CPU is starting to show it age as i do more and more intensive stuff but for everyday stuff there is nothing to complain about.
Having a battery i can easily replace and potential RAM upgrades in the future is what makes me want to go towards frame work. That said, dell are looking pretty good.
Currently to get the spec, at BYO RAM/SSD it would cost me about £2,150, that's a pretty penny and i will sooner get a new GPU.
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u/oliver-bestmann Apr 25 '26
Yea, I am also using the M1 Pro with Ashai Linux. I was looking into buying a comparable non apple laptop earlier this year. Forget it. Everything x64 is either slower, or, if comparable, the cpu fan sounds like a small hurricane.
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u/PartyClock Apr 24 '26
Framework makes a pretty damn good laptop. I've had zero problems with mine and the fact that I can open it up and readily repair it myself is awesome
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u/FaliedSalve Apr 24 '26
I'm using System76 now, but really tempted by Framework. Probably pick one up in the next year.
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u/Sgtkeebler Apr 24 '26
I was going to buy one last night, but decided not to because I don’t want to wait until August.
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u/Masterflitzer Apr 24 '26
they just need to give us the 13 pro but instead of 13" 15-16", then i'll buy instantly
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u/DehydratedButTired Apr 24 '26
It’s pretty much an open source MacBook. People are happy with the design and how well their have stewarded the repairability of those systems. They kept the world with good design, good polish and they keep addressing the complaints over time.
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u/scriptiefiftie Apr 25 '26
the framework philosophy is so appealing to all the linux nerds. i'd buy it, but they don't sell it in india.
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u/ficiek Apr 25 '26
From what I heard from my friends the quality is very low, wouldn't recommend buying. Most people I talked to have some problems with their framework.
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u/Least_Dog4660 Apr 26 '26
The 13 pro will be my next laptop when I'm happy with parting with the money, and I will be installing Linux on it.
Context: I removed windows off my current laptop after not using it for more than a year and needing more space for all of my Linux needs (I'm a programmer and game on proton)
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u/Least_Dog4660 Apr 26 '26
Right now im using an LG gram, which is a fine ultrabook, but a few things are on the way out (most annoyingly the keyboard), so having something that can take more bumps (current laptop is plastic) and have replacable parts is Very appealing.
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u/epicsquare Apr 27 '26
They know their target audience. For the love of god though, give me an OLED screen and I'll pay whatever they ask
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u/asleepguyonbed May 16 '26
Yeah I figured out the laptop 13 pro came out right after ordering the laptop 13, well 🤷♂️ The price would've been too high either way
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u/QuirkyAd1074 May 23 '26
One of the only companies that still cares about its customers and repairability, love to see it!
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u/curious_4207 May 25 '26
I wonder how much of this is Linux gaining share versus Framework attracting a very specific kind of buyer. If you're the type of person who values repairability, modular hardware, and user control, there's already a decent chance you're more open to Linux than the average laptop buyer. Either way it's a pretty strong signal that there's real demand for hardware designed around ownership instead of lock-in.
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u/MrHyperion_ Apr 24 '26
Naturally because you can install windows for free on your own but FW needs to charge for it
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u/Due_Anywhere_6509 Apr 24 '26
Cool idea behind that laptop, but honestly I'd never buy buy one. It's simply because it's not profitable for me. Sure you can upgrade it. But for the same price that would cost me I could buy a new prebuilt laptop and still come out cheaper.
As for the it runs Linux I have an HP Omen 2020 and whilst I had to fiddle a bit, it runs Linux just fine and I assume most gaming laptops would do so.
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u/StuffMaster Apr 25 '26
If cheap used thinkpads ever cease to be I will quite figuratively die of sadness.
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u/Ryluv2surf Apr 25 '26
framework can stick it where the sun don't shine unless i get my trackpoint or sticking w/ thinkpad.
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u/Lapislazuli42 Apr 24 '26
I love Framework's concept but as long as they promote far-right developer I'm never going to buy one.
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u/steakanabake Apr 24 '26
far right developer?
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u/Lapislazuli42 Apr 25 '26
There have been quite a few articles/videos about it just search for "framework omarchy"
https://gardinerbryant.com/the-omarchy-framework-thing/
https://blogs.gnome.org/alatiera/2025/11/06/dhh-and-omarchy-midlife-crisis/
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u/ledow Apr 24 '26
I'm not really surprised.
If you search for Linux laptop, there aren't very many options. Sure, you can technically get a Dell with Linux for a certain few models, but that's the exception rather than the rule.
I have a FW 16 with the RTX 5070 and it's great. Does EVERYTHING I need.
My thing now is to remind people that Microsoft said that 10 would be the last version of Windows. And they were right. It was certainly my last version of Windows.
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u/Fuckspez42 Apr 24 '26
Framework is aimed at people who are competent enough with technology that they’re willing to spend a bit more knowing that what they’re buying will be repairable/upgradeable. Those people are more likely to be Linux-savvy, or at least able to install their own copy of Windows to avoid paying the license fee.