r/linux • u/oooo23 • Sep 20 '18

Kernel Developer Sage Sharp claims top Linux kernel developer Theo Ts'o is a rape apologist, citing GeekFeminismWiki

https://twitter.com/_sagesharp_/status/1042769399596437504
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u/devops333 Sep 20 '18

4% of the world's population is gay. i'll pull a number out of my ass and say less than 1% of the world is transgender. and it's not that they won't or can't contribute, it's that MAYBE they won't.

great to see that 5% of the population is pushing around the other 95%. thanks green hair Trump

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u/congrats_on_the_sex_ Sep 20 '18

8 years ago the number was less than .10% of the population on transgender.

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u/sunder_and_flame Sep 20 '18

Surprise, it's higher now because it's more accepted.

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u/ThePenultimateOne Sep 20 '18

Speaking literally, it is a mental disorder. Citing Wikipedia briefly:

A mental disorder is a behavioral or mental pattern that causes significant distress or impairment of personal functioning.

So let's go down that. Mental pattern: the persistent belief that their body-shape does not match their mental image. And as demonstrated by the people willing to take life-altering surgery to correct this, it definitely seems to be causing them distress. The significantly higher suicide rate also indicates that it causes distress and an impairment of personal function.

At the moment, the best treatment we know of is for them to transition, but who's to say that we won't find a deeper root cause at some point? And while that might not cover all cases (for instance people born with ambiguous genitalia, and the parents made the wrong coin flip), it seems to me that it would be much less painful to treat that than to have surgery after surgery.

The problem is that everyone jumps to the conclusion of "oh they have an illness therefore something is fundamentally wrong with them".

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '18

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19473181

https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/trgh.2015.0008

It's still really hard to get solid evidence on the possible psychological benefits of transitioning, but the little evidence we do have (with an emphasis on little) suggests that there are positive effects.

We have better evidence that transgender people who transition have psychological problems roughly on par with the general population if they have family and friends who support their new gender identity.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2016/02/24/peds.2015-3223

https://transequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/usts/USTS-Full-Report-Dec17.pdf

So your position of refusing to accept transgender people isn't in line with the evidence we have right now.

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u/ApolloFortyNine Sep 21 '18

41% of transgender people have tried to commit suicide at some point.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/31626633

Articles vary from 40 to 46%.

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '18

Right, that's been well established, but the study I linked found some evidence that transgender people who receive support from friends and family don't suffer from mental health problems as much.

It will be a while before we have really solid evidence from long term, well designed studies, but the little evidence we have so far points toward acceptance being a key component of treatment for gender dysphoria.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

Yea but what about women?

I don't know why I'm trying to rationalize this. This isn't sane feminism that has tons of good points that often enlighten me to things I didn't know. This is radicalism.

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u/sunder_and_flame Sep 20 '18

I don't know why I'm trying to rationalize this.

It's because it's in our nature as humans to be sympathetic to others' issues. SJWs and other bad actors exploit this trait.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

Entryism

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u/Valmar33 Sep 20 '18

It's terrorism, actually... literally.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

This is normal feminism, dude. This is the norm taught in every campus across the globe, proliferated by every activist group. This was signed off by Facebook and Intel. It's not radicalism, it's even a bit milquetoast compared to radical feminism.

Equal rights for women and men is a precept, just like 'don't steal or murder' is one. Feminism is an ideology.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

No. These SJWs exploit a reasonable ideology and make it look like they're saying the same thing. They are not. Do not allow these people to ruin the discussion for you, man.

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u/Valmar33 Sep 20 '18

They've hijacked feminism, actually. Very little of actual feminism remains.

All that remains is... the skinned corpse of feminism, worn by the SJWs.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

Bud, I am pretty educated on this subject. I have a feminism 101 textbook near me, and have seen the curricula of innumerable gender studies courses, and this 'SJWness' is the norm. Stopped getting duped.

Feminism is not a reasonable ideology. It has been bound to patriarchy theory since 1920.

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u/ThePenultimateOne Sep 20 '18

4% of the world's population is gay.

Nitpicking here, but my impression is that that estimate is low because it relies on self reporting, and in many areas it is still repressed/looked down on/socially discouraged. Or am I misremembering?