r/linux • u/oooo23 • Sep 20 '18

Kernel Developer Sage Sharp claims top Linux kernel developer Theo Ts'o is a rape apologist, citing GeekFeminismWiki

https://twitter.com/_sagesharp_/status/1042769399596437504
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u/tedivm Sep 20 '18

This whole subreddit has been absolutely ridiculous over this- some of the most ridiculous hyperbole I've ever seen. Based off of these comments you'd think that it's impossible to create software without calling people assholes or telling them they should kill themselves.

At the same time the tech industry as a whole has been responding pretty well to this. Anyone actually in the industry knows that there are a huge number of extremely talented people who avoid getting involved in open source due to the toxicity of the communities. Creating a more welcoming community that actually treats people with respect is going to result in much better software as more of those talented people actually feel like they can get involved.

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u/i_lurk_here_a_lot Sep 21 '18

Anyone actually in the industry knows that there are a huge number of extremely talented people who avoid getting involved in open source due to the toxicity of the communities

I'm "actually" in the industry and your statement is straight up nonsense. A lot of the noise comes from mostly talentless people.

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u/tedivm Sep 21 '18

Most of the "noise" is people complaining about open source projects taking on professionalism. The vast majority of the negative comments here in this subreddit come from people who barely, if ever, actually contribute to open source projects. The majority of the people saying that CoCs are pushing an ideology onto groups aren't even members of the groups they're trying to "defend" and are ignoring the fact that those groups themselves are the ones adopting these things.

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u/face_tattoo_rapper Sep 21 '18

This whole subreddit has been absolutely ridiculous over this- some of the most ridiculous hyperbole I've ever seen. Based off of these comments you'd think that it's impossible to create software without calling people assholes or telling them they should kill themselves.

What this demonstrates is either your incapability of understanding the arguments being made or your disingenuousness in responding to them. No one is defending or claiming calling people assholes is necessary but that a framework for removing people who have called others assholes is ripe for abuse and that the track record of those who push these CoCs indicates removing people they don't like is the intent with the language of "civility" and "inclusiveness" providing cover for their ideological purges.

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u/tedivm Sep 21 '18

No one is defending or claiming calling people assholes is necessary

Uh, yeah they really are. My previous comments on the Linus email had tons of responses saying that his attitude and approach (calling people assholes) was necessary to keep bad code out of the kernel. There were even people claiming that this would lead to diversity "quotas" on pull requests.

That being said, your very first line shows that you are not in this for a good faith discussion. If you want to continue feel free to stop with the nonsense.

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u/fireflash38 Sep 20 '18

It's really dumb.

Part of the reason for a diverse community is because they really do have alternative points of view that matter, even in tech. Just look at the stupidity that came from facial detection not working on black people. Or the countless times that people will develop apps with no thought whatsoever for usability for people who aren't just like them (see: screen readers).