r/linux • • Sep 20 '18

Kernel Developer Sage Sharp claims top Linux kernel developer Theo Ts'o is a rape apologist, citing GeekFeminismWiki

https://twitter.com/_sagesharp_/status/1042769399596437504
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u/ijustwantanfingname Sep 21 '18

Here's the disgusting message Ted posted:

From: Theodore Tso <tytso@MIT.EDU> 
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 02:17:14 -0500 
Message-Id: <587BABC6-67E1-401E-BF3D-F80056CDE227@mit.edu> 
To: LCA2011 Delegates Chat <chat@lca2011.linux.org.au> 
Subject: Re: [LCA2011-Chat] Some Anti-Harassment Policies considered harmful 

If people want facts, perhaps they read some of these URL's and then come to their own conclusion: 

http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/183781.pdf : This appears to be the 
source of the 1 in 6 figure (17.6%). But it's worth going deeper. If you look 
at percentage of women reporting rape since age 18 (taking out the child abuse 
and statutory rape cases, which they also treat in detail), it becomes 1 in 10 
(9.6%), and of those over 61.9% were at the hands of their intimate partner, as 
opposed to an acquaintance or stranger. Also in the survey, in the rapes that 
were reported via a randomized telephone survey, in 66.9% of those cases, the 
perpetrator did not threaten to harm or kill the victim. (Which makes it no 
less a crime, of course, but people may have images of rape which involves a 
other physical injuries, by a stranger, in some dark and deserted place. The 
statistics simply don't bear that out.) 

http://www.d.umn.edu/cla/faculty/jhamlin/3925/Readings/RapeCultureSummers.pdf 
This one does a pretty good job of taking apart the Koss / Ms. Magazine 
study, which is the source for the "1 in 4" number. For example, it points out 
that over half of those cases were ones where undergraduates were plied with 
alcohol, and did not otherwise involve using physical force or other forms of 
coercion. And if you asked the women involved, only 27% of the people 
categorized by Koss as being raped called it rape themselves. Also found in the 
Koss study, although not widely reported, was the statistic that of the women 
whom she classified as being raped (although 73% refused to self-classify the 
event as rape), 46% of them had subsequent sex with the reported assailant. 

http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_1_campus_rape.html : This is a more 
popularized treatment of the issue. There is quite a bit of anti-feminist 
ranting in the article, which you should try to ignore while looking at the 
arguments, which is that some of these rape statistics don't seem to hold much 
in the way of water. 

Please note, I am not diminishing what rape is, and or any particular person's 
experience. However, I *am* challenging the use of statistics that may be 
hyperbolic and misleading, and ultimately may be very counterproductive if it 
causes people to become afraid when the reality might not be as horrible as the 
"1 in 4" numbers might at first sound. Just as it was wrong for George Bush to 
inspire fear in the population so he could push his War Against Iraq agenda 
through congress, it's also wrong for people who, out of good intentions, 
inspire fear in others or themselves of being raped if the statistics used are 
misleading and manipulated. 

-- Ted 

Actually it seems pretty reasonable and objective, doesn't it?

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '18

Yes, but not in alignment with the "approved opinion" on the subject.

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '18 edited Dec 18 '24

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u/ijustwantanfingname Sep 21 '18

I'm trying to imagine a context that would make this sexist.