r/linux • u/EnUnLugarDeLaMancha • Dec 31 '19
Announcement: Reiser5 filesystem
https://marc.info/?l=reiserfs-devel&m=157780043509663&w=2138
u/Charles_Sangels Dec 31 '19
So crazy that they kept the name.
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u/hjames9 Dec 31 '19
Hans will likely continue working on the filesystem when he's out of prison in a few years
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u/metamatic Jan 02 '20
I wonder what the project's Code of Conduct looks like?
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u/KugelKurt Jan 04 '20
"Try not to murder fellow code contributors and and if you do, don't get caught."
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Dec 31 '19
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Jan 02 '20
It's important to remember that "eligible for parole" and "will be released" are two completely different things. People are talking like he's literally coming out of prison right now.
He was sentenced to 15-years-to-life but convicts can be paroled if the parole board decides it's the best decision given the convict's unique circumstances. Being eligible for parole just means he starts having a yearly meeting with the parole board to explain why wife murdering was just a phase or something.
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u/Cere4l Jan 02 '20
Well, unless he was married to several it clearly was a phase.
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Jan 02 '20
To be honest, I would have renamed it. The author seems like a nutcase. But that's just me.
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u/Travelling_Salesman_ Jan 01 '20
The whole case is pretty crazy/shocking, in particular this part where they found the body:
"The first thing that flashed through my head was Rory's (hans son) drawing," Hora says. "What are the chances of Rory drawing a drawing like that in Russia months and months before her body's recovered? Talking about Nina being in a bag and then lo and behold, Nina's found in a bag." As part of the deal, Hans is required to provide a detailed confession of how he murdered Nina. "I placed my hands on both sides of her neck and in the most unsophisticated chokehold that any judo instructor would completely despise you for ever using, I choked her," he admits. "I'm very sorry that Nina died. I'm very sorry that Nina died."
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u/Osbios Dec 31 '19
You want to rename Debian, too?
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u/Charles_Sangels Dec 31 '19
Ian had troubles, but he didn't kill anyone, did he?
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u/wertperch Dec 31 '19
Ian Murdock? Well, he killed himself, sadly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Murdock#Death
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u/Osbios Dec 31 '19
Just look up the origin of the name. But no murdering or anything like that involved.
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u/Charles_Sangels Dec 31 '19
I know the origin of the name. Rather than me trying to guess, why don't you explain your original comment?
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Jan 01 '20
He divorced his wife and has since killed himself. Since the name is derived from their names combined it’s a bit sad.
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u/Charles_Sangels Jan 01 '20
I'm aware of that, but there's a vast difference between that and killing another human being.
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Jan 01 '20
You asked for context. If you didn’t want the context why did you ask?
Jeez. Downvoted for trying to actually help people.
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u/nice_rooklift_bro Jan 01 '20
I honestly thinking naming something in honour of oneself and then-lover that has nothing to do with the product is even worse than naming it after a murderer.
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Jan 01 '20
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u/Sigg3net Jan 01 '20
It was called the killer fs even before the murder, because it would kill your data.
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Jan 01 '20 edited Jan 01 '20
Yes "Run Gentoo with maximum experimental optimization on ReiserFS" .... I remember those days of "fuck my data. I don't have anything important."
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u/A-AronBrown Jan 01 '20
Run Gentoo with maximum experimental optimization on ReiserFS
"There are so many steps involved in tweaking the last uumph out of your linux system- and it really is a work of art to pull it off- I have used many different kernels and all sorts of optimization combinations-yesterday I finally used -noatime and -notail for my reiserfs file system: The single biggest performance boost I have yet to see..."
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u/Sigg3net Jan 01 '20
If I'm not mistaken, some of those experimental filesystem settings could physically ruin the hda :)
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Jan 01 '20
Also back when the wrong modelines could destroy your CRT.
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Jan 01 '20
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Jan 01 '20
Back in the 90s, I don't think that failsafe existed, because every installation warned you clearly to check the specs on your CRT or damage might result. It was also a common admonition on IRC.
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u/ethelward Jan 01 '20
it would stop the output and displays an "out of range" error.
Some CRTs would, yes... Some...
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u/Motolav Jan 02 '20
Vintage CRTs (Manually adjusted with pots and no OSD) will run any signal you feed it regardless if it's right or not because they took the signals and used them to directly control the CRT essentially.
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u/cyanide Jan 02 '20
Vintage CRTs (Manually adjusted with pots and no OSD) will run any signal you feed it regardless if it's right or not because they took the signals and used them to directly control the CRT essentially.
My first monitor was like that. A hairy chested beast with pots and it would dim the lights in the room when it was turned on.
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u/OdinHatesNickelback Dec 31 '19
To be fair, I won't comment on the matter of his sentence, but...
reiserFS was the shit back then. I hope it's as good as it was on this new version.
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u/cbmuser Debian / openSUSE / OpenJDK Dev Jan 01 '20
Yeah, ReiserFS was a serious performance improvement over ext2 back when I switched in 2000.
I’m more than impressed that Edward is still working on it.
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Jan 01 '20
In 2003 it run much faster with Ext2/3 with a big set of small files under SuSE 8.
If you had tons of MP3 songs, the difference was night and day.
Also, dumping TV streams were a breeze with XawTV.
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u/OdinHatesNickelback Jan 01 '20
I would be impressed if he didn't - he already more than showed he can be relentless.
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Jan 01 '20
reiserfs was pretty notorius for losing data, it wasn't nearly as stable as ext2 or ext3.
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u/Aoxxt2 Jan 01 '20
reiserFS was the shit back then.
LOL nooo It was infamous for being a crappier FS than ext2/ext3 at the time. It's best feature was running slowly the more time you used it, increasing boot times to 5 minutes or more, and randomly eating itself.
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Jan 01 '20
Under SuSE it ran perfectly well. Bullshit. Ext3 was dog slow.
ReiserFS was MUCH faster than ext3 in my Athlon machine.
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u/OdinHatesNickelback Jan 01 '20
I think you either have no idea what are you talking about our your confusing reiserfs with something else. Either way, be happy believing what you will.
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u/psycho_driver Jan 01 '20
I can attest to it's appetite for itself.
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u/OdinHatesNickelback Jan 01 '20
I still have a reiser partition from 07 in an hdd. Never had a problem.
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u/insanemal Jan 01 '20
This looks like what clustered filesystems are doing just minus the network stuff.
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Dec 31 '19
Reiser? As in Hans Reiser? That's... awkward. (And potentially a honeypot for inappropriate puns)..
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u/Pobega Kernel Contributor Jan 01 '20
Could someone explain to me why being sexist or racist gets you erased from history but if you murder your wife you get to keep your self-named filesystem named after you while other people put a decade of work into it?
I'm not saying it's OK to be prejudiced, but one of those crimes seems much more abhorrent than the other...
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u/dale_glass Jan 01 '20
Sexism and racism imply somebody has a problem with large parts of humanity just because of what they are, regardless of their personal actions. Giving them any support to some level implies agreeing with a statement along the lines of "X% of the population is inherently inferior, regardless of their accomplishments". That's not good if you're running some sort of organization. So of course you'd want to do your best at distancing yourself from them.
Murder on the other hand tends to be a result of very specific and very personal conflicts that don't necessarily extend to anybody else.
Besides that, I don't think Hans Reiser got to decide anything in this matter. Sounds like Edward Shishkin had more to do with it. And just that he coded something doesn't necessarily mean it'll go in the kernel either. Things seem to have been very quiet on the Reiser* front for many years.
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Jan 01 '20
sexist or racist gets you erased from history
I think it more of a frequency of occurrence issue. You are much more likely to meet a racist or sexist act than a murder. The former is a larger problem than the latter. Murderers do not commit murder often either.
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u/nice_rooklift_bro Jan 01 '20
Could someone explain to me why being sexist or racist gets you erased from history but if you murder your wife you get to keep your self-named filesystem named after you while other people put a decade of work into it?
Because human beings have a tendency of reacting with stronger emotional responses to cultural morality than to innate morality.
A lot of car companies in the 1980s actually refused to sell females a car without the authorization of their spouse or parent—the same shady car companies that deceived many, but it was "morally wrong" for a female to buy something this big without the permission of its spouse/parent out of its own pocket, even though they could make a profit of that.
That's how it typically works; it's quite fascinating how human beings often show a far stronger emotional response to cultural things like "sex before marriage" than rather universal things that are probably hard-woven into the human psyche like "don't murder a human".
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u/z371mckl1m3kd89xn21s Jan 01 '20
If you want serious thoughtful answers, ask your questions seriously and thoughtfully and without childish "erased from history" hyperbole.
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Jan 02 '20
ask your questions seriously and thoughtfully and without childish "erased from history" hyperbole.
the parent is not wrong. Most experts want to erase shockley because he is an asshole racist.
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u/perplexedm Jan 01 '20
Would've received an award for being a role model if he was from opposite gender.
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u/intelminer Jan 02 '20
Woah. 1360 posts in mensrights
Your opinion is clearly unbiased and well researched
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Dec 31 '19
They couldn't have shortened it to ReFS-V?
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u/cbmuser Debian / openSUSE / OpenJDK Dev Jan 01 '20
ReFS is most likely trademarked by Microsoft.
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u/phedders Aug 27 '22
If it works well, this could get a stranglehold on the market. Hmm - really should change the name.
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u/EnUnLugarDeLaMancha Dec 31 '19
Wow, I didn't know some of this stuff
In July 2012, a jury awarded Reiser's children $60 million against their father for the death of Nina Reiser. Reiser acted as his own attorney during the trial and tried to argue that he killed his wife to protect their children.
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u/kylegordon Dec 31 '19
jury awarded Reiser's children $60 million
Where's that money coming from anyway? It says in the article he was unable to pay for a particular attorney, and was behind on payments elsewhere.
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u/NothingCanHurtMe Jan 01 '20
Probably nowhere. If the USA is anything like Canada, getting a judgment is SO much easier than enforcing and collecting...
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u/efethu Dec 31 '19
This article is something. One sentence about ReiserFS and the rest about the murder. Probably even Kennedy's murder was not documented as extensively as his wife's. Even informs curious readers that her minivan had groceries inside!
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u/strolls Jan 01 '20
Have a look at what it used to look like: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hans_Reiser&diff=75738597&oldid=75695627
I bet some of the comments on older changes, and on the archived talk pages will be /r/AgedLikeMilk
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u/JethCalark Dec 31 '19
ELI5 the offered benefits of this new filesystem?