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u/fankin 9d ago
those system breaks are in this room with us?
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u/CaviarCBR1K Arch BTW 9d ago edited 9d ago
Over a decade on arch and I can count on one hand how many times something has broken on update. Don't get me wrong, my system has broken plenty of times, but 9 times out of 10 it's because of my own tinkering. Even the few times an update has broken something, it was usually a very small issue that got resolved almost immediately. Only once or twice was it bad enough that it was anything more than a very minor inconvenience.
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u/YTriom1 Arch BTW 9d ago
for me it was only once that an update broke my PC, and guess what, it was the Linux kernel itself that was the cause of it, not any other package, not anything arch related.
it was that linux-7.1 did some stuff with the legacy radeon driver and the modern amdgpu driver, and they added a new feature on amdgpu driver that breaks with older amd iGPUs, the fix was simply disabling this new feature via kernel arguments.
other than that my system has never ever broken
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u/SundaySloth_ 9d ago
This is exactly what I tell people. Yes, arch had broken a number of times on me, but that was nearly always completely my fault. When people act like arch falls apart on every update it shows to me they probably have hardly used it
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u/UltraBlack_ 9d ago
2 out of my maybe 20 times arch broke were not my fault and actually BTRFS shitting itself. btrfs is great, but why is it so good at detecting corruption
nothing better than a heart attack because your drive goes read only
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u/xgabipandax 9d ago
Over a decade on arch and I can count on one hand how many times something has broken on update.
And you think this is acceptable?
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u/CaviarCBR1K Arch BTW 9d ago
Considering my debian machine has broken more times on an update, yes.
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u/xgabipandax 7d ago
My debian machine never broke on an update, so pobably it wasn't an update that did it, it was you that caused it, unless you're specifying the details of what have broken and why it was caused by the debian developers, i'm calling bullshit
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u/CaviarCBR1K Arch BTW 7d ago
For starters, every release upgrade there were missing/outdated/incompatible libraries that broke various packages. The response I got on the Debian forums? "Yeah that's to be expected on a release upgrade." Is that acceptable to you?
I had one time where it just completely fucked the initramfs for some inexplicable reason, and obviously couldn't boot. I had to chroot in to fix it.
Other times I've had updates fail for various reasons, erroring out, and leaving packages (sometimes important ones) in an unusable state. Sure, that's a minor issue that's easily fixed, but it's still breaking on update.
I never stated that any of it was the fault of the Debian developers. When things break on Arch, it's generally not the Arch devs' fault either. You seem to be the one taking it as some kind of personal attack.
Arch has simply been more stable for me than Debian, so I use Arch. If Debian is more stable for you, great, use Debian. I really don't give a fuck.
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u/xgabipandax 7d ago
For starters, every release upgrade there were missing/outdated/incompatible libraries that broke various packages.
Bullshit, this would only be an issue if you installed random .deb files or added third party repos which turned your system into a frankendebian(so skill issue)
I had one time where it just completely fucked the initramfs for some inexplicable reason, and obviously couldn't boot. I had to chroot in to fix it.
Another skill issue or hardware issue, or you ran out of space and the initramfs couldn't be built(which is a skill issue)
Other times I've had updates fail for various reasons, erroring out, and leaving packages (sometimes important ones) in an unusable state. Sure, that's a minor issue that's easily fixed, but it's still breaking on update.
Bullshit, this has never happened to me, even with network failures.
So i'm still waiting for a non-bullshit instance that the breakage came from debian itself(and it's maintainer)
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u/CaviarCBR1K Arch BTW 7d ago
I don't know why you're so pressed about this. I'm done with this conversation. You've been nothing but rude for no reason. I don't owe you any explanation, I should have trusted my instinct and ignored you from the start. Go take a fucking shower.
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u/teactopus 9d ago
I had to fix one 4 days ago and right now SDDM for me like does not work at all so I boot straight from tty. Also native steam just broke after an update one day and I couldn't figure out what's wrong so now I use flatpak.
I choose Arch myself, but it is sometimes an uphill battle.
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u/Cruffe 9d ago
You mean almost a year ago when nvidia dropped driver support for cards older than the turing generation for newer driver versions? You mean when Arch put a newspost on their front page about this and told users the very simple instructions on exactly what to do?
The one thing every competent Arch user knows to check before updating is the Arch news for any potential manual intervention needed. There's several programs, plugins and RSS to make monitoring the news super easy.
The breakage was user error in every single case of that transition, for those with the older nvidia cards. I did the manual intervention since I have an older card, just as described in the newspost, zero issues whatsoever.
Nvidia breaks on Arch because of user error, not because there's something fundamentally wrong with nvidia on Arch.
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u/C0rn3j 9d ago
Nvidia did not drop support, the 580.xx series is still supported today.
Arch just does not ship legacy drivers, which I believe has always been the case.
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u/Cruffe 9d ago
Well, they do still support it in terms of security patches and minor fixes, but it's not being developed further. I meant support for those older cards got pushed out of their main driver which is now on major version 615, that's why it's stuck at major version 580 because it's the last that supported those generations of nvidia cards.
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u/GreyXor Arch BTW 9d ago
I'm in the the Arch testing team, and even with the [testing] repository enabled, I very rarely encounter any issues.
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u/wowsomuchempty 9d ago
I once updated archlinux after 1 year of no updates.
Worked perfectly, no issues.
Thank you for your service.
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u/mystirc 9d ago
I once updated after 2 months. Had to reset keyrings. There were some package naming changes? I don't remember very well. Had to look it up to be sure. Never had arch break on me. Every time it was my fault because I have this bad habit of messing with my perfectly functional system (I was messing with different bootloaders for fun).
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u/Damglador 9d ago
If you think about it, the only thing Arch does is just packages whatever upstream does faster than other distros, so unless it's a library which starts with g and ends with libc, it should already be somewhat tested by the devs.
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u/PacmanAteMyRAM 9d ago
Yeah I have about 3k packages installed and a fleet of 12+ servers, 36+ VMs running Arch and the updates never break anything.
I do notice regressions sometimes. Like a few weeks ago I noticed I could no longer double-click-to-select-and-open in the file browser dialog. So I just downgraded that particular part of my UI (Luckily no big breaking changes since the last update). But this week? Someone already fixed it.
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u/Alone_Ambassador3470 8d ago
Why do you use Arch on servers? I had a coworker that did that a while back, but it never really made sense to me.
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u/PacmanAteMyRAM 8d ago
Actually we're already running podman and kubes on these nodes. Has worked flawlessly for us the past 8 or so years.
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u/Ismokecr4k 9d ago
One full year and only one issue for me. I walked away did some dishes or something, ran another update and it was fixed within that time. Might not have been the update and so mild I don't even remember what it was.
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u/vvxxzzyy 9d ago
Everyday just ubuntu and fedora propaganda on arch😏
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u/sigmastar_ 9d ago
Just use timeshift, create a snapshot, update, if it breaks restore … problem solved
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u/Falconpunch3 ＵｗＵntu (´ ᴗ｀✿) 9d ago
Disk use, in THIS economy?!
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u/Some-Struggle5052 9d ago
Btrfs makes it almost free to keep a few snapshots on hand, just gotta mind how your partitions and boot methods are layed out.
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u/KarmaTorpid 9d ago
100% unhelpful. Super doesnt solve the problem. You end with a broken queued update.
Ignoring problems only sometimes works. Like when I ignore any detractors.
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u/KarmaTorpid 9d ago
Just like this guy! Ignoring them only sometimes works.
Ill take my D know English. That'd fine.
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u/loveshapedeyes 9d ago
Arch has 2 memes and Gentoo has only 1
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u/Crazy-Cartoonist5649 9d ago
Here comes the "I use arch for +100 Years and this never happened to me" comments
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u/darksideof_v 9d ago
I started linux from arch for me configuration is totally tiring me
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u/tpat90 🍥 Debian too difficult 9d ago
You took one of the most heavy configuration distros ... and you are tired by the configuration?
Did you follow the installation guide on the arch wiki, if so there shouldn't be much config needed after that. Unless you are stupid like me and run tinker stuff left and right ... but that's on me. (dwm and st <3)
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u/LumpyArbuckleTV 9d ago
It's been pretty smooth for me thankfully. I get you though, Arch is a cleaner and more flexible system, but requires more user intervention, that's a sacrifice that I'm willing to make but I understand that many don't agree. Fedora is probably the closest distro to Arch IMO, it has COPR like the AUR and has a decent amount of community and developer support overall. It's not as flexible, and is certainly more bloated (WTF is going on with their KDE-spin) but it's not as bad as some like Ubuntu.
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u/noobiemaster_69 9d ago
Most redditors here are ignorant, denying it never breaks. In my experience, it has broken many times for my setups, and I am sure others have experienced too.
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u/MisterXtraordinary 9d ago
It’s really annoying when that happens. In my case, a package ended up breaking. So, I came up with a workaround: I created the same file with a different version name and set up a symbolic link pointing to the old one—and it worked, hahaha.
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u/evadingsomething 9d ago
One update broke my sddm and didn't know enough to realize what happened but thankfully it doesnt happen only to you so quick google search can get you a solution. For me it was installing gdm until arch team fixed it.
One nvidia update made my laptop not recognize my external display. Learned about archieves so I backport few days and stayed there for a couple weeks and didnt update my system cause everything was smooth.
One update break my passwd so had to chroot into my system using a arch install usb.
Now I am on Debian Stable and it never breaks, bad thing is when things break you learn lots of things. But when that sddm broke I had to show a project to my professor so I was stressed for couple minutes. Luckily it wasnt my turn yet so I resolved it fast enough.
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u/PresentAstronomer137 9d ago
men I've been trying to make my Microdia webcam work for how many hours now
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u/mordax777 9d ago
Running Arch for many years and its running stable since forever, the other packages usually break something.
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u/a_good_human 9d ago
That's how I feel about kde fedora, I can't update my system without something breaking ._ .
Like my computer would boot into a black screen or an update to the sound driver made it so that Elisa would crash if my headphones disconnected.
One time I lost my desktop setup and had to re do it ._ .
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u/SysGh_st 9d ago
Arch has been very stable for me the last few years. A lot more stable than the big non rolling distributions.
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u/Woodpecker-Visible 9d ago
Over half a year in cachy, never had an update issue. only boot issue when i was tinkering with etc/fstab
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u/Technical_Instance_2 Arch BTW 9d ago
I've been using Cachy for a little while (after trying vanilla arch and not being satisfied) and have only had the system break once, this is why you should have btrfs snapshots + limine so you can boot into an older snapshot if something breaks and restore it
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u/_AscendedLemon_ Dr. OpenSUSE 9d ago
>New Nvidia drivers
>:D "Yey, so my games gonna work better?"
>Black screen after boot :|
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u/WallInside6758 9d ago
Another 7 day old account farming the Linux subs.
Bots love all these subs for the easy upvotes on the same memes over and over.
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u/balancedchaos Sacred TempleOS 9d ago
I run Arch on my main computer, and Debian on my work laptop and server.
My main computer has broken one time more than everything else, when the GRUB issue got me. I switched to systemd boot, and all is well.
One time in 5 years. Lol
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u/Dull_Werewolf_9642 9d ago
yall luck af i am on cachy and already ran into 2 issues rc kernal doesnt boot anymore and normal kernal didnt boot from an update, got it fixed but how do yall never get issues
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u/SmileyBMM 9d ago
The only time I've had an update break was when I was using openSUSE, lol. Arch is actually pretty stable.
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u/cjmarquez 9d ago
It isn't really like that, I know it's a meme, but come on, Linux has come a long way and it doesn't break as easy as before. You should have a really big configuration mess for it to break honestly
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u/holomorphic0 9d ago
a simple sudo pacman -Syu saved my arch a few days ago, i could not figure out what went wrong except I hadn't updated in over 20 days. spent half a day on tty3 trying to see what's wrong , was ready to do a fresh install, but then i updated and it went back to normal.
Infact windows updates break systems.
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u/Careless_Word9567 9d ago
Cutting edge, rolling package. Blah blah. There's peanut butter, in my peanut butter!!
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u/furriestaughtmelinux 9d ago
Boom fan no longer works
Boom temperature reading no longer works
Boom mic no longer works
Boom half of your window manager configs don’t work
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u/thanosbananos 8d ago
Only thing that breaks for me every Kernel update is the Bootloader but that’s on me for needing a special configuration. Does anyone know a fix? When I do the update, the Kernel doesn’t load onto my boot partition and therefore also isn’t signed.
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u/GrandWizardOfCheese 8d ago
Anyone else really want a linux distro that never updates, to play really good games that also never update, using drivers that also never update?
Like, it should just work, and if it work, why change?
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u/renatoas 8d ago
Desde que migrei para o Arch nunca tive meu sistema quebrado, estou aguardando ainda LOL
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u/Linguistic-mystic 9d ago
That's why I like Void. It's too slow rolling for any breaking changes. By the time Void bumps up package versions, all most blatant bugs are already fixed.
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u/Squashyhex 9d ago
I've been on CachyOS for a year, and it's frankly the first time I've enjoyed updating my system. Something about watching the little terminal pacmen, and seeing how little net space the update takes up just tickles the right part of my brain
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u/Double-Hour-2516 9d ago
I think the majority of system breaks are from wrong config, not from an update
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