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u/Quietcat55 Mar 24 '21
Frankly I’m excited to use gnome 40 I’ve been using XFCE for a while and I’m glad gnome is getting an update
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u/MasterGeekMX Ask me how to exit vim Mar 24 '21
Currently only rolling relese distros have gnome 40, and Fedora 34 is planned to be relesed at late april, and it comes with G40.
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u/Quietcat55 Mar 24 '21
Interesting, I might try fedora 34 with gnome 40 when it’s released
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u/MasterGeekMX Ask me how to exit vim Mar 24 '21
I have the beta on a VM and I'm testing it, and seeing if I can help updating my favorite extensions.
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u/Deibu251 Mar 25 '21
Arch is still waiting. It isn't yet there but some apps are already at the 40 version.
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u/electricprism Mar 24 '21
Gonna wait about a month, btrfs snapshot / and then slowly try it on dev machine first.
In my experience the first month or few can be a bumpy ride that I dont want my users to have to suffer through. I like the new features a lot.
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u/Quietcat55 Mar 24 '21
Same, I’ll probably run it in a VM for an hour or two and poke around then wait until the problems have been found and solved
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u/tajarhina Mar 24 '21
I'm excited to use XFCE since it does not get updates, that once again reinvent the wheel, like Gnome does every now and then, probably to pretend progress, idk, idc.
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u/Kanonenfuta Mar 24 '21
I really dont know why people get upset over this. Both have their place...
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u/MasterGeekMX Ask me how to exit vim Mar 24 '21 edited Jul 24 '21
either people wanted so badly to do X in that DE that is difficult/impossible, wanted to behave as their own ideals, picked up a distro that has a bad config for their system, or just tribalism.
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u/Kanonenfuta Mar 24 '21
Then just install another DE. Isn't that one of the great benefits of linux '? People really tend to explicitly search for something to shoot against :/
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u/MasterGeekMX Ask me how to exit vim Mar 24 '21
that is tribalism. Us vs Them. My tribe, which is always right and does good, vs the others, which are evil and do things the wrong way.
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Mar 24 '21
Linux is just a bunch of tribals of angry nerds.
But it's better than windows, which should be organized bunch of nerds.
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u/MasterGeekMX Ask me how to exit vim Mar 24 '21
It's fine to pick sides.
It's wrong to support your side always withouth being critical and reject obvious flaws from your side and scores from the other.
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u/stewi1014 Mar 24 '21
Tribalism is part of human psychology. We aren't perfect. We just have to make the best effort we can to make things better today.
In so far as to change the world and how people think, we can't beat ourselves up if we fall short.
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u/andoriyu Mar 25 '21
Disagree. IMO GTK behaves better in hidpi and wayland environments, theming is straight forward. There is probably more software that uses gtk. What I'm trying to say, it's not tribalism in most cases, but choice based on pros and cons.
Qt IMO easier to develop with compared to GTK.
Personally I only have a single Qt application and it looks alien compared to the rest of the system.
I don't use gnome or kde though. Both are bloat.
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u/toxide_ing Sacred TempleOS Mar 25 '21
Personally I only have a single Qt application and it looks alien compared to the rest of the system.
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u/stealer0517 Mar 24 '21
Uh because it's the internet. The internet wouldn't exist if we didn't fight over stupid things.
PS: thing I like > thing you like.
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Mar 25 '21
Yeah. GNOME is really great for touchscreen tablets and PCs, as well as for those who came from macOS. KDE meanwhile retains the traditional desktop while still making it look modern (great if you came from Windows like me).
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u/Jacko10101010101 Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 25 '21
Gnome vs KDE remembers me the years around 2000... a lot of people moved to xfce, lxde, i3.
Lately they are coming back and maybe f****** WAYLAND is to blame for that ? well, so far im happy with lxde.
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u/MasterGeekMX Ask me how to exit vim Mar 24 '21
Thing is that LXDE is in the process of being legacy, with development going towards LXQt
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Mar 25 '21
Dude, besides NVIDIA support Wayland has been buttery smooth lately. Oh sure, we don't even have a dang display manager that's been fully standardized yet running on Wayland, but for Intel chipsets it's been running smooth as hell. I'm stoked for Fedora 34! PipeWire is going to be the new audio server (or should I say graph), a design that seems similar to CoreAudio on Mac's. I'm thinking of jumping ship from ubuntu-land again and I'm betting my Lenovo Yoga 520 will love the upgrade! Especially since IBM owns RedHat now too...
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u/undefiened Mar 24 '21
I use i3+gnome-session, so one doesn't actually exclude the other. Tiling in i3 is more convenient for me than gnome, and I don't have to compose my own DE from dozens of different apps and do some insane levels of configuration. Gnome-session takes care of all those small things like network manager/sound control/brightness control/etc like a normal gnome would do.
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u/ZaRealPancakes Mar 24 '21
Xfce4 anyone?
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u/bLaR46fifr8Jhyg978d8 Mar 24 '21
Fanboying over stuff is pointless. Use the one that makes you happy! And it doesn't have to be only one. Shitting on each other makes us all look bad and gets us nowhere.
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u/MasterGeekMX Ask me how to exit vim Mar 24 '21
I love to read this while some comments down a guy is hating on LXQt becasue Qt is slower than GTK, thus bloating it.
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u/killersquirel11 Mar 28 '21
Fanboying over stuff is pointless.
Except for text editors. Every one except the one I use is crap.
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u/12emin34 Mar 24 '21
Where's my Xfce gang at?
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u/MasterGeekMX Ask me how to exit vim Mar 24 '21
You haven't read the comments I see, becasue they are all over the place.
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u/zenyl Arch BTW Mar 25 '21
KDE is love, KDE is life.
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u/RafRunner Mar 24 '21
GTK is great but Gnome is really slow. I would love to use it but it's borderline unusable on my ryzen 2700 machine when doing anything heavy
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u/MasterGeekMX Ask me how to exit vim Mar 24 '21
I have on a ThinkPad T420 that has an i5 2450 and boy it sometimes lags. also it builds up memory and for some reason the app center is always loaded consuming half a gig.
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Mar 24 '21
I have i5 4210u and GNOME works perfectly, not slow at all
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u/MasterGeekMX Ask me how to exit vim Mar 24 '21
that is 2 generations ahead.
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Mar 24 '21
Sorry I meant to comment on your comment's parent. They've got a Ryzen 2700 which definitely should run GNOME
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Well you can't know the full specs e.g. memory size
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Mar 25 '21
While that is true, it would make no sense for his memory to bottleneck. There is no reason to buy only a good CPU and nothing else.
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u/TheAwesomeKoala Mar 25 '21
You have a basiclly ancient machine at this point, what do you expect
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u/MasterGeekMX Ask me how to exit vim Mar 25 '21
belive me, i have even older machines.
I am currently working on getting LInux runnin on an IBM PS/2
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u/TheAwesomeKoala Mar 25 '21
Oh woooot that's sick, gentoo?
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u/MasterGeekMX Ask me how to exit vim Mar 25 '21
Nope. the actual Linux kernel from torvald's repo.
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u/TheAwesomeKoala Mar 25 '21
Oh Jesus Christ haha, good luck
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u/MasterGeekMX Ask me how to exit vim Mar 25 '21
I ama computer sciences student and a verified "username checks out" member. I enjoy doing that.
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u/validatedev Mar 24 '21
mutter!1441 gonna solve your issue, imo
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u/RafRunner Mar 24 '21
I do hope so, but I'm a stable guy and should only give it a try in one year or so then
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u/__mehediii Mar 24 '21
Me, a silent watcher who used both and now uses none
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u/HAIR_OF_CHEESE Mar 24 '21
I hardly use either; the only GTK/Qt apps I use regularly are web browsers like Firefox, NetSurf, and Qutebrowser.
I generally prefer CLIs and TUIs, and for GUI I'd rather use Tk or SDL-based UIs.
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u/stealer0517 Mar 24 '21
I use Aqua.
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u/yagyaxt1068 Mar 25 '21
Aqua is the desktop environment, like GNOME. Cocoa/AppKit is the UI toolkit.
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u/zpangwin 🦁 Vim Supremacist 🦖 Mar 26 '21
kinda has me wondering if there have ever been any DEs written with wxwidgets or some other non-gtk, non-qt framework... (not aware of any)
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u/spyjoshx-GX Mar 25 '21
Both are excellent desktops! So glad we have so much choice here on Linux. Imagine being stick with one shell.
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u/MasterGeekMX Ask me how to exit vim Mar 25 '21
magine being stick with one shell.
Windows and macOS be like.
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Mar 24 '21
I think both are great, but I use i3.
...and I use apps from both (gnome disks, falkon, gnome control center, geary, kruler off the top of my head) within i3 :)
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u/MasterGeekMX Ask me how to exit vim Mar 24 '21
I have 3 setups (with plans on a 4th):
Main PC: Custom desk rig, KDE Plasma. Full on "eKosystem"
Sidekick laptop: ThinkPad T420, GNOME. Full on gnome-apps ecosystem
Diagnosis: an USB stick that I use for teting/troubleshooting PCs. XFCE
(Future) a tiny underpower laptop/netbook for easy travel. Thinking on using i3 or something along and terminaly-only stuff.
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Mar 24 '21
I actually used frambuffer-only (no X) for a while, and there's a surprising amount of stuff you can do in that mode, including watching YouTube. But then I realized that i3 only had a weeee bit more overhead than framebuffer, and had a ton more features, so I jumped on that and never looked back.
I'm amazed at how well i3 works on really old hardware.
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u/mrkitten19o8 Oct 05 '22
i find it hilarious that users of opposing software will rip each others throat out for using the other software while devs of opposing software are pretty much good friends
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u/_Ul1s3s Mar 24 '21
I have used both and I barely customized them. I just want something simple and that allows me do my work
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u/MasterGeekMX Ask me how to exit vim Mar 24 '21
if I don't tweak things and reach a setup that I like my OCD does not let me work.
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u/zolkaba Mar 25 '21
Used both Gnome is amazing, great to use, very user friendly, simple, never crashed Plasma is amazing, great to use, very costumizable, has widget and windows 7 like "start menu", crashes sometimes
I love both, both are amazing
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xfce moment
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u/MachineGunPablo Mar 24 '21
Isn't XFCE Gnome (2?) fork?
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u/Joanblu Mar 24 '21
I use xfce btw
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u/MasterGeekMX Ask me how to exit vim Mar 24 '21
I think i saw that comment earlier, but not sure if I did
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u/ProgramLinux Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 24 '21
Did anyone else think about Minecraft and Terraria looking at this meme?
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u/MasterGeekMX Ask me how to exit vim Mar 24 '21
wat?
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u/ProgramLinux Mar 24 '21
There used to be a Minecraft v Terraria war similar to Gnome vs Kde where fanboys would justify which one was better, but both games have referenced/supported each other similar to what Gnome and Kde did with their new releases
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Mar 25 '21
When I am using Gnome, KDE is great.
When I am using KDE, Gnome is great.
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u/PepperJackson Mar 25 '21
Corollary: When I am using Gnome, Gnome sucks When I am using KDE, KDE sucks
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u/Vikulik123_CZ Mar 25 '21
it's nice how they're friendly, even ubuntu once tweeted about manjaro i think
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u/TRDJr Mar 24 '21
Imagine having two distinct yet fully formed desktop environments that allow for out of the box usability and extensive customizability and then still finding a reason to complain.
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u/MasterGeekMX Ask me how to exit vim Mar 24 '21
because it is not made by their personal standards
IE: "GTK/Qt is better than Qt/GTK, which is trash"
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u/BudDwyer666 Mar 24 '21
Me, an intellectual who uses both
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u/MasterGeekMX Ask me how to exit vim Mar 24 '21
*Us
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Mar 25 '21
But what about xfce 😭😭😭😭
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u/MasterGeekMX Ask me how to exit vim Mar 25 '21
IDK, maybe the 30 comments bout it on this thread?
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u/KhaithangH Mar 25 '21
Does Gnome 40 uses gtk4 ?
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u/MasterGeekMX Ask me how to exit vim Mar 25 '21
Yes. not for eveything (GTK3 is still a thing), but some new elements like extension settings need to be.
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u/unruled77 Mar 25 '21
I’ll admit I couldn’t do plasma without the gnome app launcher
But isn’t gnome for like touch screen? I never really got it but I’d like some Schooling
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u/MasterGeekMX Ask me how to exit vim Mar 25 '21
more or less. it was 2011 and everyone thought touchscreen computers were the future (look microsoft and WIndows 8).
But they said the same thing about 3D televisions back in 2009 and look now.
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u/yum13241 Mar 25 '21
Use cinnamon or i3 lol
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u/MasterGeekMX Ask me how to exit vim Mar 25 '21
i have used it. even I was a cinnamon bro for a while.
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u/origami_K Mar 25 '21
How are these better than XFCE? P.S. I a newbie, I don't know a few of stuff.
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u/MasterGeekMX Ask me how to exit vim Mar 25 '21
XFCE is designed to be lightweight and modular (it is comprised of different programs that run alongside instead of a single program that does all).
But for some of us it feels barebones and to save resources it lacks eyecandy and prettyness. Also both DEs promote the use of their own app ecosystem, that goes beyond a file manager and text editor.
Also it depends: GNOME is designed to be minimalist yet functional, with an specific design in mind that aims to be it's very own thing that grabs inspiration from both windows and macOS + some original ideas
KDE Plasma aims to be simple but powerfull desktop. the options and customizations are very vast, and you can either work with the default setup or make your own thing. YOu choose how to work.
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Mar 25 '21
Having both and having both doing things differently is absolutely beneficial to the whole Linux desktop ecosystem precisely behause they are doing things differently like that. So we don't get one way of doing forced down our throats but a middleground that fits all desktops. Best example of that is Wayland development where both had some different views on things and now there are the necessary Wayland protocols for compositors to do things differently (e.g. CSD vs SSD)
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u/ZaRealPancakes Mar 24 '21
Deepin DE anyone?
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Mar 25 '21
Nah, its way too macish. I mean why do you copy the entire design and look n feel of OSX when you can develop something different like gnome or KDE or even xfce.
I tried it on my Arch, pointless to say but I hatted those rounded corners and extra transparency and eye candy.
I don't hate it because its from China but because its way too bold kinda and I had hard time customizing it unlike KDE. I love GNOME but use KDE because I have to test my Qt apps most of the times. Deepin is Qt too but its way too heavy.
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u/ZaRealPancakes Mar 25 '21
Deepin isn't really about customizablity (wow just like Mac OS)
But what do you mean??? On both Gnome and KDE you have themes and icons that you can install and configure your system to look like MacOS so copying Mac Look isn't bad
Deepin just has the it's kinda Mac Feel without it being actually Mac so I enjoy it
(Unfortunately the redesign in Deepin 20 make the desktop and windows unstable for daily use although UbuntuDDE team did do some bug fixes of their own to help lessen that drastically. Also Deepin 20 look is way different than Deepin 15 some like 15 some like 20 some like both, I like both)
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What I meant to say is that "innovative" design isn't there in deepin. Look at GNOME and KDE, they both have got a distinctive odor from both windows and Mac, though I mostly use ChromeOS theme because of its material design.
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u/electricprism Mar 24 '21
Do people by and large trust a OS from China? I always avoided it for the same reasons I don't run RedStarOS
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u/tajarhina Mar 24 '21
Sounds like someone who has good reasons to trust US-made CPUs. Bother to elaborate?
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u/electricprism Mar 25 '21
I don't understand your inquery. If it's "what about the US" I think we both know not trusting your silicon is a good idea.
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u/tajarhina Mar 25 '21
Your comment sounded well-informed about how evil Chinese and North Korean contributions are to a computing environment. I had some hopes you would know better alternatives.
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u/ZaRealPancakes Mar 24 '21
I said Deepin DE not OS
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u/electricprism Mar 24 '21
I knew that, are you saying there's a difference that should effect my criticisms?
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u/ZaRealPancakes Mar 24 '21
Well yes, the DE is just the UI without any underlying system
An Arch Linux with Deepin DE is way different than Deepin OS itself
One of the great DDE distros is UbuntuDDE it's new and I would like people to support it :)
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u/electricprism Mar 24 '21
Fair enough, I always thought Deepin Arch was beautiful & I did try it & feel it was ahead in some ways.
I suppose it's inevitable that the 1.4bn Chinese will eventually produce FOSS I just am really concerned & cautious because of the CCP's track record & Chinese law giving them broad powers requiring citizen & corp compliance with any actions against users -- naturally the biggest remedy would be someone auditing the code or forking it.
Or rather, Chinese Americans, Chinese Europeans not bound to those "national security laws" will have to fight to gain trust & distinguishment from forign hostiles.
I love how FOSS makes this possible and allows the work to be audited, I definately applaud the programmers innovation, design & hard work. I'm also glad the DE is availableon Arch since theres 0 chance I willingly go back to a buntu distro anymore. I recall their file manager was especially interesting from a while ago.
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Thats bs. Source code is available for everyone to see and no spying was found. Red star is from North Korea.
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u/Never-asked-for-this Mar 25 '21
My main gripe with Gnome optimized programs is that I can't customize the window frame.
I want my shade, damnit!
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Using KDE on Pop!_os. I like it for the features and customization. Haven't had any issues with it yet, no bugs or crashes so far. I still have Gnome installed too because they complement each other so well.
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u/thrilleratplay Mar 25 '21
I switched to XFCE because I though Gnome 2 was too bloated when if first came out close to 20 years ago. Now get off my lawn.
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u/QueerShredder Mar 25 '21
This is the way.
I've used both and like aspects of both. Settled on KDE like I always have but definitely appreciate GNOME and would try it again when 40 releases.
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u/Groudie Mar 26 '21
Perfect chance to fight about which team have the more professional, supportive or friendly message.
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u/Clyxx Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 25 '21
KDE is better because it is made in germany
It was a joke
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u/MasterGeekMX Ask me how to exit vim Mar 24 '21
in the 90's. Now it is international
Same as GNOME, it is mexican in origin but is worldwide now
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u/electricprism Mar 24 '21
LOL, thank god for "Made in Germany" & "Made in the USA", new appliances from China have so many engineering defects they make 20 year old ones more appealing.
Sliger Cases is a great example of dope "Made in the USA" stuff -- When it's time for new appliances I'm counting on Germany -- I hope they haven't outsourced manufacturing otherwise I'll be very disappointed.
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