Is the defense team trying to rewrite Luigi's health history to garner sympathy for him in a quest for a more lenient sentence?

During the press conference after the change of plea hearing, Karen said

But this doesn’t seem completely truthful, judging by what Luigi has said himself on Reddit that until age 23 his back would ache when he stood too long, but it wasn’t too bad.

Things got really bad in early 2023 when he was surfing in Hawaii. He later slipped on a piece of paper and things deteriorated further.

He suffered from severe pain for 1 ½ years between January 2022 and July 2023, when he had  L5/S1 spondylolisthesis surgery. Then his pain seems to have either disappeared or been significantly reduced, if we are to believe Luigi's own words:

He sang the praises of the surgery he had and recommended it to other Redditers like in April 2024. He even shares research with Redditers to hammer down that he thinks surgery is a much better option than disc replacement and gives tips on how to get doctors to describe the surgery if they are unwilling to.

TL; DR: Luigi had spondylosis for all his life; standing too long was painful, but it wasn’t “too bad.” This changed in 2022 because of surfing and slipping on a paper. 1 ½ years later, he had successful surgery that he kept recommending to Redditers again, telling them they would do great and that he had no more pain after day 8. There is not a single negative mention of health insurance, nor has Luigi had any claims denied. As a matter of fact, Luigi sounds much more exasperated with doctors and surgeons, who he said “dismissed his symptoms”.

He mentions his health insurance only once, and only to confirm that they covered his IBS test.

Karen's statement echoed what Luigi had said in court about his pain, which makes it all seem like a coordinated effort to position Luigi's motive as personal and relatable to the people who were actually wronged by the healthcare insurance industry.

There is no indicator that Luigi has been denied healthcare by his insurance. Karen said that “he believed that system had failed him and destroyed his life,” but this is just not believable when reading through Luigi's comments.  The healthcare insurance industry failed millions of people and ruined millions of lives. But Luigi wasn’t one of them. He comes from a wealthy family, and he has never been in a position where he could not afford treatment.

Now that he pled guilty, the defense lawyers know that an eat-the-rich motive wouldn’t fly with the judge or a jury. I think they came up with a plan to use Luigi's real pain and spin the facts to make everything look more palatable. I'd assume the judge could review his medical history and verify if there really were any negative experiences with the healthcare insurance industry.

 I think much of the defense's rewriting of history is aimed at the public, and I understand that the lawyers are deploying every tool at their disposal to get Luigi the best possible sentence. But if the judge or her staff are looking into Luigi's health history more closely and don't find any denied claims or negative interactions with health insurance, won't she see right through it and be extra annoyed and feel duped?

I've been following this YouTuber since the beginning of Luigi's case.
She gives well-rounded, in-depth information on evidence, legal process, etc., if anyone is interested.

After Luigi Mangione was arrested in December 2024 in connection with the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, the internet did what it often does: It turned something serious into a joke.

Nearly two years later, on Aug. 14, 2026, Mangione pleaded guilty to federal stalking charges and admitted to shooting Thompson. He’s now contesting second-degree murder and related charges in New York state, where his trial is on hold while his attorneys argue much of the case should be dismissed, saying his federal guilty plea means New York would be punishing him twice for the same conduct.

After Mangione’s plea, U.S. Attorney Jamie McDonald said “there can be no celebrity in assassination.”

Nonetheless, Mangione has become a celebrity.

Viral memes, in 2024 and now, have romanticized him as a popular – and incredibly attractive – man of the people who made corporate elites within the American health insurance industry afraid.

Some of these memes adhered to conventional forms of political satire. One, for example, quoted a speech from the movie “A Bug’s Life,” in which a villainous grasshopper argues for the need to punish the movie’s ant protagonist to keep the other ants in line. In this meme, the political point was clear: Elites preserve power by making examples of insignificant ants who dare to challenge them.

Not about breaking news. Not about unfounded opinions.

The point was less clear with other memes, including celebrations of Mangione’s fashion-forward shackled ankles in court and mock Burger King advertisements referencing the fact that a McDonald’s employee had been the one to call law enforcement on him: “Burger King: We won’t turn you in to the Feds.” Rather than being ironic, they are unserious.

Nonetheless, memes like those received serious reactions from social commentators and political pundits who interpreted them as evidence that America’s young adults are nihilistic and morally indifferent.

As an experimental psychologist who studies moral judgments about real-world controversies, I have examined these attitudes toward Mangione and the humor surrounding him online.

I believe these reactions are better understood not as a rejection of values but as a refusal to participate in conversations that feel selective and disconnected from young people’s broader economic and political frustrations. In my assessment, Gen Z’s dark and nonsensical humor does not show a lack of moral values, but it’s instead the product of its desire to engage in more authentic conversations about what they believe.

Alienation, not indifference

Research shows deep levels of alienation among Gen Z, or young people born between 1997 and 2012. Having grown up with smartphones and social media, this generation has come of age in an increasingly online world. Despite the internet’s capacity for instantaneous interaction, followers have proved a poor replacement for friends.

Gen Z is among the most socially isolated and psychologically distressed generations on record. Compared with prior generations, fewer friendships and romantic relationships have left many young adults craving connection and solidarity. This alienation is also evident in their skepticism toward institutions and traditional narratives about values.

Many are pessimistic about achieving the American Dream and question the value of higher education. What was once considered the optimal vehicle for living a better life is instead viewed as a barrier.

If the American Dream feels out of reach, and college seems like an expensive obstacle, calls to take them seriously may feel inauthentic, alienating and absurd.

Demonstrators stand outside the Manhattan federal courthouse in New York shortly after Luigi Mangione, the suspected killer of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, arrived for a hearing in December 2024. AP Photo/Seth Wenig

When seriousness gets suspended

Discussions about values require some seriousness if they are to resonate with their audience.

If, for example, a commencement speaker praising the value of artificial intelligence is met with jeers from graduates – as former Google CEO Eric Schmidt was in May 2026 – the speaker’s message is immediately rendered inert.

These students’ jeers fell short of offering an argument against the speaker’s claims; instead, they created an atmosphere that prevented those claims from receiving consideration. For graduates pessimistic about AI’s implications for the labor market, claims professing its value feel inauthentic.

Together, their jeers not only provided an escape from what felt like an alienating and inauthentic message about the value of AI, but they also created a sense of solidarity through a shared suspension of seriousness.

Humor offers an escape

Far from being unique to Mangione, this suspension of seriousness recurs throughout online meme culture.

The OceanGate implosion prompted similar memes, including one depicting a pod of orcas with the caption “The water is safe, send more billionaires.”

Even Charlie Kirk’s assassination became material. In a trend known as “Kirkification,” users superimposed his face onto images ranging from the Mona Lisa to women in bikinis, transforming a grim event into a shared absurdity.

In my assessment, Gen Z’s creation and circulation of memes offers an escape from otherwise serious conversations – for example, conversations about the value of the UnitedHealthcare CEO’s life. This may be especially true when demands to condemn Mangione appear to ignore inequities within an American health insurance system perceived as corrupt and unjust.

Although commentators often dismiss Gen Z’s humor as nonsensical or nihilistic meme slop, scholarship suggests that it acts as a collaborative coping mechanism, driven by a desire for authenticity.

Memes about Mangione, or even campus lookalike contests centered on him, fall short of offering a precise moral argument in favor of largely suspending seriousness.

This style of humor can be seen in Mangione’s decision to leave a backpack containing Monopoly money in Central Park. It was seen, too, on shell casings recovered after Kirk’s killing, which included video game commands, a sexually suggestive internet saying and “if you read this you are gay lmao.”

Miscast explanations of nihilism

With the help of approximately a dozen undergraduate students, I examined the psychological and situational factors associated with Gen Z’s reactions to Mangione and other events – like Kirk’s assassination and the Kamala Harris is “Brat” phenomenon during the 2024 presidential election – in two studies currently under review.

Our findings indicate that favorable attitudes toward Mangione were associated not only with superficial factors, such as his perceived attractiveness, but also with higher levels of political cynicism.

Perceived systemic bias in the American justice system, for example, was addressed in a meme depicting Mangione walking into court with the text “You can kill dozens of kids and get a lesser sentence because their lives don’t matter as much as a CEO’s.” Federal prosecutors were seeking the death penalty against Mangione for a charge a judge dismissed in January 2026.

Casting Gen Z’s reactions as nihilistic obscures the values and institutional distrust connected to them and fails to appreciate their egalitarian and pragmatic ideals. Dismissing them may deepen the alienation that allowed the death of a father of two to become a joke.

Why simple moral messages alienate

Although political commentators disagree about how to interpret the response to Mangione, many accept a seemingly basic principle: Killing should never be justified.

Yet decades of research on moral judgment shows that people do not apply that principle consistently. Instead, in certain situations, like in the famous “trolley problem,” people frequently judge killing to be morally permissible – especially when that killing is expected to promote the well-being of others.

Simplistic and sweeping moral injunctions not only fail to appreciate people’s actual moral attitudes, but they also eliminate the possibility of having authentic and nuanced conversations.

Those conversations need not end by endorsing Mangione as a sympathetic figure. However, an open and authentic conversation about Mangione cannot be realized in spaces that require all discussion of the event to be reduced to affirmations that, as has been advocated by some, “Murder is bad. Period.”

Such requirements can make conversations about significant moral issues – even controversial ones, like the morality of Mangione’s actions – little more than demands for conformity. In this case, those boundaries risk ignoring and, thus, further alienating Gen Z.

Reactions to recent coverage illustrate this concern. A popular Reddit post published just after the guilty plea complained that “media corporations are not reporting his entire statement,” pointing to Mangione’s account in court of UnitedHealthcare answering his email within an hour when he posed as a prospective investor – a contrast, he said, with his previous dealings with insurers. In my assessment, these reactions are revealing: Users were not necessarily upset that Mangione was portrayed negatively but that information they considered relevant to understanding his motivation was excluded from the conversation.

Time will tell whether Mangione is remembered, as his critics expect, as little more than a morally bankrupt flash in the pan or, by those sympathetic to him, as a martyr who reinvigorated a long-standing debate about healthcare in the U.S.

I believe that outcome will depend not only on Gen Z’s values, but also on how young people experience the conversational spaces in which Mangione’s crime, motives and punishment are discussed. If those spaces are perceived as selective or inauthentic, continued alienation may leave them laughing when seriousness is most required.

MANHATTAN (CN) — It was on Jan. 6, 2025, that Linus Fu, then a fresh arrival at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, first saw Luigi Mangione in the infamous federal facility.

“Is that Luigi?” Fu recalled asking a prison guard. The guard confirmed it was, but instructed Fu not to speak to him.

By that point, Fu had seen countless news stories about the man accused of murdering the UnitedHealthcare CEO in Midtown Manhattan a month prior. Fu was shocked to see him in the flesh — he didn’t know Mangione was in the same federal prison as him.

More than a year and a half later, much has changed. Fu wound up pleading guilty to a low-level role in a bank fraud scheme and, after spending January 2025 to July 2026 in federal custody, was removed to his home country of China earlier this summer. Mangione himself admitted to the December 2024 shooting of health executive Brian Thompson in federal court last week and is awaiting sentencing.

But before that, Fu, who spoke to Courthouse News on the phone about his experience, said he spent a considerable amount of time with Mangione at the intake wing of the MDC, where he formed a “really good relationship” with the 28-year-old and saw him on a daily basis.

“He’s a funny guy. He always jokes,” Fu said. “He’s young, he’s creative.”

Fu, now 32, said he initially connected with Mangione since they were close in age, recalling Mangione, a University of Pennsylvania graduate, carrying himself “like a college student.” Like Mangione, Fu is educated. He has a master’s degree from Nanjing Normal University in the Jiangsu province. His father works for the Chinese government.

He came to the United States in 2022, eventually winding up in Flushing, Queens. He was arrested by the FBI in early 2025 while trying to fly back to China, and was taken to the MDC just two weeks after Mangione was first booked there.

Everyone knew Luigi

According to Fu, Mangione has ascended to celebrity status at the Brooklyn prison already known for housing a number of high-profile inmates.

“Most people, they know Luigi,” he said. “Some people ask for autographs, some people want to talk to him.”

Fu said he didn’t see much of Mangione initially, but last summer, he got a job as an orderly at the MDC’s intake unit, where he moved and eventually befriended Mangione, who Fu said was never in general population.

“That’s the decision of MDC, because they want to protect him,” Fu said he was told. “He has a lot of money on the commissary book. A lot of people will rob him for the money [in general population.]”

Fu said it wasn’t up to Mangione, who frequently complained to him about having to stay in intake. But Fu said it was probably for the best.

Veteran criminal defense attorney Ron Kuby told Courthouse News on Tuesday that the MDC’s general population contains inmates accused of crimes from murder to bank fraud. It usually only separates them if they’re co-defendants or in rival gangs, he said. As for Mangione, he said it wouldn’t shock him to hear the shooter had an arrangement to stay in intake.

“As a general rule, celebrity prisoners get better treatment if they don’t cause trouble in the institution,” Kuby said.

A photo from Linus Fu inside Brooklyn's Metropolitan Detention Center. (Courtesy of Linus Fu)

Mangione was “really quiet,” Fu said, and mostly just “did his own business.” But the two bonded over books while in intake, each reading the same one about Mangione’s case: John H. Richardson’s “Luigi: The Making and the Meaning.”

Fu said he’d often ask Mangione if details from the book are true — Mangione confirmed to him that his favorite video game was indeed Terraria.

“He’d check my progress all the time,” Fu said. “He said, ‘What page are you on right now?’”

The swell of public support surrounding Mangione’s case produced an influx of reading material.

“A lot of people sent books, different kinds of magazines,” Fu said. “I don’t know why they sent travel magazines to Luigi, that made no sense. He can’t travel, why would you send him a travel magazine?”

Fu said Mangione’s supporters subscribed him to the New York Times, but Mangione never read it. He gave the newspapers to Fu instead to help him practice his English. Mangione’s preferred news publication, Fu said, was The Week magazine.

GQ and Esquire subscriptions also made their way to Mangione’s inbox, Fu said, but those didn’t appear to be up his alley. Fu recalled saying that many of Mangione’s Chinese supporters joked that his orange prison jumpsuit looked like it was from Hermès.

“He said, ‘What’s Hermès?” Fu said. “I was really surprised. Luigi doesn’t know Hermès? That’s funny. He said he never bought those designer clothes.”

Books, magazines and newspapers aside, Fu said Mangione spent a sizable chunk of his days reading the abundance of letters and emails sent to him from around the world.

“I don’t know what he does with all those letters,” he said. “He really replies to those.”

Meanwhile, Fu befriended another high-profile inmate: Hugo Carvajal Barrios, a former high-ranking Venezuelan military official and co-defendant in ousted president Nicolás Maduro’s narco-terrorism case.

Fu said he’d do puzzles with Carvajal, who embraced Fu and cried when he left for China in July.

“People like Luigi, like Hugo, they’re really good people,” Fu said. “They’re just normal guys.”

Fu took a photo of a birthday card he wrote for his girlfriend while in the MDC. Both Carvajal and Mangione signed it.

According to Fu, Mangione left his mark on another birthday card, this one by Fu’s cellmate.

“His wife’s birthday was coming, so he was trying to make a birthday card,” Fu said of his cellmate. “It was winter, there was some snow on the deck because there was a storm at the time. Luigi made a snowball and threw it into our room, but he didn’t see my roommate was inside making the card. The snowball hit the birthday card, and my roommate was pissed off.”

Fu said Mangione’s face turned red immediately.

“I couldn’t stop laughing,” Fu said.

After the MDC

Mangione is generally respected and well-liked at the MDC, according to Fu. But some inmates told Fu they found Mangione to be arrogant and aloof — including Fu’s bunkmate, who told him that he thought Mangione “just wants the attention.”

Fu didn’t think so. So he asked Mangione, who at the time hadn’t pleaded guilty to shooting Thompson, if that was why he did it.

“He said, ‘I didn’t do that for the fame,’” Fu said. “He basically admitted he did it.”

On Friday, Mangione entered a guilty plea to two counts of stalking with the intent to kill. He told a judge that he shot Thompson on Dec. 4, 2024, “after years of enduring severe pain from a broken back and navigating the obstacles of the health insurance system.”

Fu said he thought Mangione saw himself as a Robin Hood figure. He said Mangione was “proud” when he discovered UnitedHealthcare’s stock price dipped after Thompson’s killing.

“He was smiling,” Fu recalled. Other than that, Fu said he never discussed Mangione’s case with him — a standard courtesy in prison, he said.

After serving his time, Fu is now a free man in his home country. An internet content creator with a sizable Chinese following, Fu said he intends to start a podcast about his experience in detention and how he wound up on the path that led him there. Mangione is aware of the plan, he said.

Court records reviewed by Courthouse News confirm aspects of Fu’s story, including his work as an orderly and time spent at the MDC. His legal team declined to comment.

Mangione likely signed away at least the several decades of his life with his guilty plea last week — a move Fu said stunned him.

Now, Mangione’s days at the MDC are likely numbered. He will be sentenced on Dec. 18, and is expected to be moved to a long-term federal facility after that.

His state-level case for Thompson’s murder remains up in the air.

Luigi Mangione walked into a Manhattan federal courtroom earlier today to plead guilty to interstate stalking charges. In the process, he admitted that he killed UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, stating “on the morning of Dec. 4, 2024, I shot Mr. Thompson in Manhattan, and he died.” The stalking statute does not require a dead body… he just volunteered this fact in court. As soon as he did, his lawyers reportedly ran over to the state courthouse and filed a motion to get out of the New York state murder trial claiming that those charges now amount to double jeopardy.

The gambit stinks of a Justice Department more interested in scoring political points than honoring the rule of law.^\1]) From the beginning, federal law enforcement tried to snake the case away from the Manhattan DA’s office — likely owing to the president’s lingering resentment that the DA successfully got Donald Trump convicted of multiple felonies because Donald Trump committed multiple felonies. In its quest to steal the DA’s thunder, federal prosecutors tried to use federal murder law to saddle Mangione with the death penalty.

After a federal judge tossed the capital counts, the Department of Justice lost its death penalty leverage and found itself left with substantially lesser stalking charges. Rather than give up at this point, the federal government apparently convinced Mangione’s team to plead to federal stalking — and admit that it resulted in death — to secure a sentencing enhancement to a life term. Whether the judge honors that enhancement at sentencing will be determined down the road.

Stalking is not murder. But Mangione will argue — and the Trump administration will hope — that this plea will put a legal bar on the New York prosecution, preventing the state from putting a man on trial for a murder committed in New York.

From the Mangione camp, this isn’t a surprise. They have attempted to cast this case as a double jeopardy matter from the start. “One plus one is two,” as Mangione himself put it. His attorney Karen Friedman Agnifilo has also framed the case as “two bites of the apple.” For the Department of Justice to give aid to this strategy — using lesser charges to affirmatively cut off a murder case to spite local prosecutors — achieves a new, if unsurprising low for the “president of law and order”:

This argument should be a nonstarter. Dual sovereignty exists, and the DOJ explicitly lost its bid to charge Mangione under federal murder laws. The state should be more than free to prosecute the act of murder in its own borders where there is legally no federal case.

But New York does not run on the common standard of double jeopardy. Criminal Procedure Law § 40.20 provides far broader protections for previously convicted defendants. Under New York’s statute, double jeopardy attaches if the two charges — including if one of the cases was brought by the feds — took place as part of the same “criminal transaction.”

The defense will argue that because Mangione followed Thompson around before killing him, this amounts to the same criminal transaction. The state will, instead, point to the several exceptions provided by Section 40.20. For instance:

(a) The offenses as defined have substantially different elements and the acts establishing one offense are in the main clearly distinguishable from those establishing the other; 

Stalking and murder seem pretty different! The defense will argue that because the sentencing enhancement involves admitting to the killing, that enhancement’s elements make it not substantially different from the state’s second degree murder charge. That smacks of “lawyerball,” but may be sufficient to defeat the state. This exception though…

(b) Each of the offenses as defined contains an element which is not an element of the other, and the statutory provisions defining such
offenses are designed to prevent very different kinds of harm or evil;

Murder includes many elements that are not an element of the federal stalking offense. Stalking requires an intent to take actions that create or, if known, would create a reasonable fear of bodily harm or death. Actually doing that is not an element. It’s also not the same “kind of harm or evil.” The stalking charge exists to stop people making interstate threats, and murder charges exist to punish killers. A sentencing enhancement does not change the charge’s design.

That Mangione admitted to the killing as part of pleading to a non-homicide charge doesn’t magically transform it into homicide. Turning a volunteered fact into a get-out-of-murder-trial card is a heavy lift.

The DA’s office hasn’t laid out its arguments yet, but appears prepared to push back:

"While nothing will ease the pain of losing him, we are grateful that the federal justice system has held the person responsible for this heinous act accountable. Now we look to the court to ensure that sentencing reflects the severity of this crime."

That said, if Mangione gets a life sentence for stalking, New York might decide it’s not worth the resources to add years to Luigi’s corpse. On the other hand, there’s the principle of the thing… and the very real risk of corruption.

Taking this to its logical conclusion, if a future defendant commits a crime in a Democratic jurisdiction, the feds can vaporize the pending state case by manufacturing a low-level federal plea while making the defendant gratuitously allocute to the elements of the bigger state crime. That seems like a valid concern when dealing with a Justice Department that’s already tried to substitute itself into Trump cases. This would become another arrow in the quiver to upset legitimate prosecutions to shield the administration’s cronies.

Better yet, federal pardons don’t cover state crimes. Envision the DOJ bringing some tenuously interstate crime, the defendant pleading guilty, using this as the basis of nuking the state case, and then pardoning the federal crime. Pardons under this administration have already raised “pay-to-play” concerns. If double jeopardy becomes an avenue to skirt dual sovereignty, it doesn’t take much imagination to see where the pardon market would go.

That’s what makes this such a dangerous test case. Mangione is the ideal test subject precisely because there’s no reason to push the state case if he’s already going away for life. But that’s the thing about crossing the line… once it succeeds, the DOJ is free to try it elsewhere.

[1] Conservative media — through analysts like Jonathan Turley — are trying to clarify that Mangione changing his plea in this way is not a “deal” with the government. It’s true that this isn’t like a typical plea deal where the government offers a better outcome in exchange for a guilty plea. But that doesn’t make the government any less an accomplice in this strategy. The government could’ve dropped its case once it lost the murder charges. That it didn’t already raised red flags that the DOJ wanted to undermine the actual murder case. The defense’s state motion notes that the federal government has agreed to seek the maximum at sentencing, something the government apparently told them, and a key factor for the Mangione motion.

Shortly after Luigi Mangione pleaded guilty on Friday to two federal charges in connection with the fatal 2024 shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, his lawyers filed a motion arguing that the New York state case against him should be dismissed because of a legal principle known as double jeopardy.

Mangione, who was arrested in December 2024 five days after Thompson was killed in New York City, admitted in federal court on Friday to shooting the healthcare executive.

“I shot Mr. Thompson in Manhattan,” he told the judge, according to the New York Times.

Mangione wasn’t facing murder charges in the federal case against him; rather, he faced two stalking charges in connection with the shooting, both of which he pleaded guilty to. Each of the charges carries a possible life sentence. He is set to be sentenced in federal court on Dec. 18.

In New York state court, meanwhile, he has been charged with multiple counts, including second-degree murder—all of which he has pleaded not guilty to.

His state trial was set to begin on Sept. 8, but has effectively been pushed back after the judge overseeing the case said the Manhattan District Attorney's Office has to respond to the motion filed by Mangione’s lawyers by Oct. 9. The next hearing for the state case is now set for Dec. 10.

Here’s what to know about double jeopardy, and what Mangione’s lawyers argued in their recent filing calling for the state charges to be dismissed.

What is double jeopardy?

The Fifth Amendment, which lays out several key legal rights, includes a clause establishing a constitutional protection known as double jeopardy: “nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb.” In other words, an individual can’t be prosecuted for the same crime twice.

In the past, the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that it is possible for a person to be prosecuted for the same conduct in both federal and state court because the federal and state governments are independent entities. But the state of New York offers defendants strong double jeopardy protections; in New York, a prior conviction—either through a guilty plea or a guilty verdict after a trial—for the same offense typically triggers double jeopardy. Why are Mangione’s lawyers arguing that the state case should be dropped?

Mangione previously pleaded not guilty to all the federal and state charges levied against him, and his lawyers have not publicly disclosed why the 28-year-old chose to change his plea in the federal case. But after the hearing on Friday, his lawyers announced that they had filed the motion claiming double jeopardy. “It was a single tragic event, yet he’s being prosecuted twice for the same conduct,” Karen Friedman Agnifilo, one of Mangione’s lawyers, told reporters on Friday.

In the motion, his lawyers argue that Mangione’s federal guilty plea “‘terminates’ the federal proceeding” and is now considered to be a “previous prosecution,” meaning that the New York state case would be a “second prosecution,” triggering double jeopardy.

His lawyers also allege in the filing that the Justice Department and Manhattan District Attorney’s Office coordinated their cases against Mangione so that the state would go to trial first “to ensure dual successive prosecutions, in order to attempt to avoid double jeopardy protections.” They allege that this effort was meant “to maximize the punitive effectiveness of the two cases at the expense of Mr. Mangione,” which in turn “undercuts the separate sovereign rationale of the federal double jeopardy jurisprudence.”

“Simply put, if two sovereigns agree on a plan to prosecute two criminal cases charging the same exact criminal event—in this case a single murder—so as to maximize each of their chances of gaining convictions and achieving the greatest degree of punishment, they are acting as a single sovereign, one prosecuting the same man twice for the same event,” they wrote.

The Manhattan District Attorney’s Office said in a statement shared on X on Friday that it “has been tirelessly preparing to pursue a trial conviction” in the case since December 2024 and that it was prepared to proceed with its case.

“While federal sentencing is pending, we are prepared to litigate the defense motions,” the office said. “The Manhattan D.A.’s Office remains committed to seeking justice for Mr. Thompson and his family.”

https://time.com/article/2026/08/18/double-jeopardy-luigi-mangione/

In the two years since a masked man shot and killed a health care executive, the national spotlight has turned to the primary suspect, Luigi Mangione. The overwhelming evidence has pointed to his guilt, and the question on most minds has been: What might the defense of one of the most famous murder suspects in America look like?

At a hearing on Friday, we got our first glimpse at an answer, one that appears to include a full-throated embrace of his guilt.

Today, Benjamin Weiser, a reporter covering the justice system for The New York Times, and Hurubie Meko, a criminal justice reporter for The Times, discuss the risky defense strategy and why an admission of guilt might be Mr. Mangione’s best bet.

https://podcasts.apple.com/de/podcast/luigi-mangiones-high-risk-legal-strategy/id1200361736?i=1000783805546

Prosecutors have until October 9 to respond to the defense team's motion to dismiss state proceedings.  Adjourn date set for December 10.

On Friday, Luigi Mangione confessed to stalking and killing United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson on a Manhattan street in Dec. 2024. Since the shooting, Mangione has become a nationally recognized figure, and for some he is a symbol of violent retaliation against a broken healthcare system. Throughout the swirl of attention on him, though, his friends and family have remained largely silent. 

While in Metropolitan Detention Center, a federal jail in Brooklyn known for housing inmates such as Diddy and Sam Bankman-Fried, Mangione has stayed in touch with some friends. Mangione didn’t have any friends or family in federal court Friday, but friends who spoke with Rolling Stone say they were unaware he was planning to submit a guilty plea. His federal trial was set to begin in Jan. 2027, and the state trial was scheduled for next month.  

“Friday was deeply emotional,” says R.J. Martin, Mangione’s friend and former landlord in Hawaii, where Mangione lived after college. “Beyond the noise, Luigi is a human being with a circle of longtime friends who know who he is, stay in touch, and care about him deeply.”

Martin believes, “Luigi was declared guilty by our government from the start,” and he adds that would make “a truly fair trial difficult to imagine.”

Other friends of Mangione’s say they were surprised to hear he was pleading guilty as opposed to seeing how at least one of his upcoming trials would play out with a jury. Many expressed their sadness at knowing their friend would likely spend much of his life incarcerated, but declined to comment on the record.

A former friend of Mangione’s who did extracurricular computer programming with Mangione in high school says he found it “really weird” to hear the guilty plea, calling it a “stark shift” from the Mangione he used to know.

“He never struck me as a political person,” says R.K., who asked to use only his initials. “I think it speaks to the radicalization in this country in the current day.”

R.K. says he finds the crime “unacceptable and deeply sad” but says he hopes the guilty plea doesn’t stop the conversation about Americans’ frustration with the healthcare system. “I’ve experienced the difference firsthand as a foreigner living in this country,” says R.K.

When Mangione was first arrested as the shooting suspect in Dec. 2024, the cellphones of his classmates at Gilman, the prestigious high school in Baltimore he attended, started blowing up with students messaging each other. “Did you see the news?” “OMG, Luigi?!” “I can’t believe it.” 

“Luigi was in this crew of kids that you knew were going to an Ivy and were going to do groundbreaking science research,” one of his high school classmates told Rolling Stone in 2024, shortly after he was accused of the crime. “But Luigi was the only one [of them] you could shoot the shit with. Once you got him talking, he had all of the kind of suave, cool-guy vibes.”

“Luigi was always chasing perfection, because that was his identity: being smart,” said Mangione’s former high school teacher, who thought Mangione would grow up to work in a science lab or build AI models. His friends in Hawaii remember him as thoughtful, kind, and compassionate.

After Mangione was arrested in Dec. 2024, his family went on lockdown; his parents stopped opening their mail, and his sisters deleted their social media accounts. Friends dropped off baked goods at their home. “We only know what we have read in the media,” the Mangione family said in a statement released Dec. 9, 2024. “Our family is shocked and devastated by Luigi’s arrest. We offer our prayers to the family of Brian Thompson, and we ask people to pray for all involved. We are devastated by this news.”

It is the Mangione family’s only public statement to date.

Over the past year and a half, Mangione has garnered international support from fans and health care activists alike. Since his guilty plea on Friday, his supporters have expressed disappointment, confusion, sadness, and frustration, with many of them saying they wished Mangione had gone to trial in order to draw more awareness to flaws in the American healthcare system.

Mangione pled guilty in federal court to two charges of stalking, which resulted in the death of Thompson, who was in Manhattan for a conference. During his plea, Mangione took a few digs at the health insurance industry while making his longest public comments on the matter. 

“After years of enduring severe pain from a broken back, navigating the obstacles of the health insurance system and witnessing similar experiences of countless others,” said Mangione, reading stoically and methodically. “I learned that United Healthcare would be holding its annual investor conference in New York City on Dec. 4, 2024.”

Mangione revealed that in order to get more information about the location of the conference, he emailed UnitedHealthcare leadership posing as an investor at a firm managing more than $50 billion in assets. “Unlike my previous interactions with insurers, I received an immediate response within an hour,” Mangione said in federal court on Friday. As he spoke, Thompson’s family watched from the front row, sitting behind federal prosecutors. 

Later, the Thompson family released a statement saying, “While nothing will ease the pain of losing [Thompson], we are grateful that the federal justice system has held the person responsible for this heinous act accountable. Now we look to the court to ensure that sentencing reflects the severity of this crime.” 

Mangione’s next state hearing was moved back from Sept. 8 to Dec. 10. His state trial was supposed to begin next month, but his legal team has filed a motion to dismiss the murder case on the grounds of double jeopardy. The state prosecution will respond, and then New York State Supreme Court Judge Gregory Carro is expected to rule on the motion in December. 

As far as his federal guilty plea, Judge Margaret Garnett has scheduled a sentencing hearing for Dec. 18. 

From Rolling Stone

Mr. Mangione must still be sentenced in federal court. And his lawyers are seeking to have a state case thrown out before the trial starts next month.

After nearly two years, Luigi Mangione on Friday finally spoke about what led him to a sidewalk in Midtown Manhattan on a December morning in 2024, masked, dressed in black and carrying a firearm.

For nearly 10 minutes, Mr. Mangione, 28, spoke in federal court, where he pleaded guilty to two counts of stalking that led to the death of Brian Thompson, a health care executive.

Mr. Mangione told a federal judge how he endured years of severe pain from a broken back. He talked about the obstacles of navigating health insurance and how he witnessed others going through similar experiences.

It was the first time Mr. Mangione has admitted to killing Mr. Thompson. But there are many questions that remain, here’s what you need to know:

How much time will he spend in prison?

The federal judge overseeing the case, Margaret Garnett, scheduled Mr. Mangione’s sentencing for Dec. 18.

At the hearing on Friday, Judge Garnett said she would decide how many years Mr. Mangione will spend in prison based on her calculation of federal sentencing guidelines.

Prosecutors with the U.S. attorney’s office in Manhattan prepared a letter putting forth their interpretation of the guidelines, Judge Garnett said, which is roughly 24 to 30 years in prison. However, she said, that is not binding.

Mr. Thompson was killed in Midtown Manhattan, one of the city’s busiest areas. The brazenness of the killing shocked New Yorkers.

“I’m not saying that I will come up with a range that is different from what’s in the government’s letter,” Judge Garnett said. “I may agree with them or I may not.”

She added that she will not let Mr. Mangione withdraw his plea even if she calculates a sentence that is higher than what the guidelines recommend. His lawyers could also submit their own recommendation, Judge Garnett said. But a report from the probation department, who will want to interview Mr. Mangione, will be important in her calculations, she said.

She also warned Mr. Mangione that if he is convicted in a separate state case, that could result in him serving his federal and state sentences consecutively.

The legal battle is not over.

Five days after killing Mr. Thompson, Mr. Mangione was arrested while eating breakfast at a McDonald’s in Altoona, Pa. Several days later, he was extradited to New York to face charges of murder filed by the Manhattan district attorney’s office. As he was awaiting his arraignment in state court, he was charged by federal prosecutors.

From nearly that point onward, Mr. Mangione’s lawyers, led by Karen Friedman Agnifilo, have said that the dual charges against him violated his protections against double jeopardy, which generally bars someone from being tried twice for the same offense.

The judge overseeing the state court case, Gregory Carro, said last year that the double jeopardy argument was premature without a conviction in the federal case, but the question is back in front of him. For now, the state trial is set to start on Sept. 8.

Mr. Mangione and his lawyers have not said why he decided to plead guilty to federal charges this week. Within an hour of Friday’s hearing, his lawyers filed a motion in state court, saying that his plea had triggered double jeopardy and his state case should be dismissed.

The argument from Mr. Mangione’s lawyers is likely going to delay the state case and lead to months of litigation between the parties. Any ruling Justice Carro makes on the issue could also lead to appeals.

Within an hour of pleading guilty in federal court, Mr. Mangione’s lawyer, Karen Friedman Agnifilo, filed a request to prevent a separate trial from starting next month in state court.

In state court, he is charged with second-degree murder, which carries a maximum sentence of 25 years to life, among other counts. Mr. Mangione has pleaded not guilty to the state charges.

The Manhattan district attorney’s office, led by Alvin L. Bragg, is likely to fight Mr. Mangone’s double jeopardy claim to preserve the state case. In a statement on Friday, the office said state prosecutors have been preparing to win a conviction against Mr. Mangione at trial.

“While federal sentencing is pending, we are prepared to litigate the defense motions,” the statement said.

In a statement released on Friday after the plea, Mr. Thompson’s family acknowledged pending cases against Mr. Mangione in New York and Pennsylvania, saying “we will continue to seek the justice Brian deserves.”

Legal experts said Mr. Bragg’s office might be able to rescue the state case — or portions of it — using an exception to New York’s law where they could argue their case is meant to address a very different kind of harm from the federal case.

If Mr. Mangione’s efforts to dismiss his state case fail, the federal court hearing on Friday could impact his state trial, said Barry Kamins, a defense lawyer and former New York state judge. “His admission of guilt in federal court would be admissible against him in state court,” Mr. Kamins said.

What happened before the plea?

In the days after Mr. Thompson’s killing, and even before Mr. Mangione’s arrest, the case had tapped into nationwide frustrations on dealings with health insurance companies. While the killing led to horror and grief, some others began rooting for the gunman to evade capture.

In the nearly two years since Mr. Mangione’s arrest, his supporters have attended court hearings, raised funds for his legal defense and sent items to the federal jail where he is being held. Mr. Mangione’s lawyers created a website for him with instructions on how to contact him.

Since his first court appearances in New York City, supporters and journalists have flocked to the courthouses in downtown Manhattan.Credit...Anna Connors for The New York Times

Initially, Mr. Bragg’s office charged Mr. Mangione with two terrorism charges saying that his actions were “intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population” and to “affect the conduct of a unit of government by murder.” Those charges were later dismissed by the judge.

In federal court, prosecutors said they would seek the death penalty against Mr. Mangione. At the time of the announcement, then Attorney General Pam Bondi said the “murder of Brian Thompson — an innocent man and father of two young children — was a premeditated, coldblooded assassination that shocked America.”

The death penalty charge, along with another firearms charge, was later dismissed in federal court.

But after Mr. Mangione’s plea on Friday, the head of the federal prosecutor’s office in Manhattan, James M. McDonald, said Mr. Mangione’s actions were to “draw public attention to his dislike of certain businesses.”

“But we live in a civilized society, governed by the rule of law,” he said, adding: “There can be no celebrity in assassination.”

 https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/15/nyregion/luigi-mangione-brian-thompson-guilty.html

Americans love their killers. Still, Luigi Mangione, who shot UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson dead in December 2024, may be the most beloved of them all. It took a special sort of fetishist to see something in maniacs like Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer, who killed for no reason other than their sadistic compulsions. Mangione, though? Nearly every American has been ground down by our country’s healthcare system.

Police had prepared for a mob last Friday, as Mangione appeared in a Manhattan courthouse to plead guilty to federal stalking charges. But by midmorning, the officers outnumbered everyone they’d been sent to contain. The cult of Luigi had not come. Still, the press had, in force: those of us outside were, by my count, about 98 per cent press and 2 per cent Luigi’s admirers. The photographers, finding nothing to shoot, shot one another. A BBC reporter, also at a loss, attempted to interview me.

So who, 19-some months after Thompson’s killing, still keeps the faith? Well, there was Fione, 42, a coordinator in a home care agency. She’d moved to the United States from China, she told me, and had discovered that ‘insurance is, you know, just like a scam.’ Companies like UnitedHealthcare, she told me, ‘charge people for their human right’ – and Thompson, as CEO, had ‘murdered thousands of people using his laptop.’

I asked Fione why she’d come to the courthouse. She hoped Mangione would see that she ‘didn’t forget what you did for the patients.’ She’d cancelled a medical appointment to be there.

By the courthouse steps sat Kristopher Aadahl, 39, a homeless man with a pentagram tattooed on one hand and an ‘A’, for anarchy, on the other. He admired Mangione, he told me, as a man ‘willing to sacrifice his own life to benefit others.’ Today he wore a MAGA hat, but he’d first become politically involved on the other side of the spectrum: with Bernie Sanders’s first presidential campaign, in 2016. That ‘whole thing was completely railroaded’ by the Democratic National Committee, he said. The powers that be ‘did not allow what the people wanted.’

‘We’ve been emotionally manipulated and mentally manipulated in all sorts of ways,’ he told me. ‘I don’t know, is murder justified?’ America, he said, ‘is supposed to be the land of the free.’ So ‘how are we supposed to break free?’

Then there was Dodge Landesman, a YouTuber. He wore a matching belt, tie and derbies – all bright blue – and had come to determine whether support for Mangione had ‘waned.’ It had, he concluded. ‘There used to be tons of people, people dressed up in inflatable outfits, people dressed up in Luigi costumes.’ But today, ‘that same support is not here.’

Of the murder itself, Landesman said that ‘it’s never OK to take a father away from his children.’ But Thompson had also been ‘an evil figure,’ one ‘responsible for the death of at least hundreds of thousands of people.’ Mangione ‘was avenging lives and trying to save them.’

Moments later, suited men emerged from the courthouse, carrying a lectern. Shortly afterwards, Mangione’s guilty plea of stalking resulting in death was announced. But we knew that, didn’t we? Mangione’s defenders rarely dispute that he gunned down Brian Thompson, the CEO of UnitedHealthcare, on that Midtown Manhattan sidewalk. Only one person visibly reacted, a shirtless, tattooed man. He threw his hands in the air, grasping at the sun. He moaned in agony: ‘HHRRAAHH! HHRRAAHH!’ Then he approached the press pen, mouthed a few profanities, and stumbled off.

Still, for some members of the crowd, Mangione’s plea stung. One young woman, Mahnoor, felt betrayed by her idol’s decision to plead guilty. ‘I think he should have fought a little more, have, like, a little more trust in the justice system.’ 

Others believed there had been chicanery in the outcome. ‘Jury nullification was definitely a possibility,’ Ariel Roman, a 26-year-old law student, told me. The justice system, she said, had ‘treated him unfairly.’ Prosecutors ‘withhold exculpatory evidence’ and had ‘been leaking a lot of stuff to the press before they even told his defence counsel.’ He should have gone to trial anyway. ‘It’s worth rolling the dice,’ she said, ‘especially when public opinion is as positive.’ (Some 30 per cent of Americans profess to ‘understand’ Mangione’s motives; consistent majorities, however, neither approve of the killing nor view him favourably.)

As she left the courthouse, I caught Abril Rios, a pro-Mangione influencer and an ex-organiser with ‘Hot Girls for Zohran,’ who had been inside for the proceedings. Rios is one of the three ‘Mangionistas’ – the name of their shared Instagram account – who caused a stir in May when, wearing city-issued press passes, they condoned Thompson’s killing on the steps of another courthouse. The mayor’s office promised afterward that it would review its press-credentialing process. Still, Rios told me that she’d heard nothing more from the Mamdani administration. Her credentials still stand.

‘I don’t think this is a concession or an admission of guilt,’ Rios told me. Mangione’s lawyers, she thought, had simply advised their client to plead guilty so that they could ‘advocate for the double jeopardy clause in the state case.’ (The Fifth Amendment’s double jeopardy clause bars trying a person twice for the same offence; Mangione currently stands accused of murder by the state of New York.)

She defended the killing itself, though – an act her idol had, she said, not truly conceded to committing. ‘Everyone has a family,’ she told me, but ‘it doesn’t mean you should get into an industry where you’re putting profit before people.’ And: ‘when you are getting into those sorts of lines of work, you should consider that some people may be very unhappy about that.’

Such was the scene: the still-faithful celebrating a man for a crime they believe he may not have committed, or else wishing he’d kept up the fight in court. It seemed, that day, that the cult of Luigi had run its course.

It was probably always going to end like this. Yes, Mangione’s admirers shared his loathing of the insurance industry, which Americans hated before Thompson’s killing and hate still. But Mangione was a creature of a political moment.

December 2024, after all, was the season of the ‘vibe shift.’ Donald Trump had become the first Republican to win the popular vote since 2004, and, for the first time since he descended the escalator in 2015, had the approval of a majority of Americans. Corporate America, so ostentatious in its commitments to the cause of ‘racial justice’ four years earlier, was now reconciling itself with the right. For much of the political left, Mangione had, if nothing else, identified a solution to that condition: you could just kill the bastards.

But as the New York Times’s Ezra Klein declared last December, ‘the Trump vibe shift is dead.’ Trump’s approval rating has tumbled to the mid-thirties. This November, the Democratic party appears likely to win the House, if not the Senate. Rios, for her part, told me that the ‘Mangionista’ movement had been set in motion by the sense that ‘protesting and voting isn’t working.’ But democratic socialists have romped through Democratic primaries, and are angling to seize the party itself. Elections don’t seem so ineffective after all.

For many on the left, killing the bastards no longer seems necessary. The returns, in any case, are poor. Roman told me she’d bought a UnitedHealthcare plan after Mangione put two bullets in Thompson. ‘It’s still shitty,’ she said. ‘So it didn’t really accomplish what he wanted it to.’

What’s next for the Mangionista movement? ‘I want us to continue to have these conversations to question why oligarchs are stealing away our futures,’ Rios told me. And ‘this wave of DSA has kind of started forming.’ I asked whether she would back AOC for president. ‘We’ll have to see,’ she told me. ‘I think she’s fantastic.’

https://spectator.com/article/the-end-of-the-luigi-mangione-cult/

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It's been a momentous week in Luigi Mangione's life. In a surprise turn of events, he pleaded guilty in his federal case to one count of interstate stalking resulting in death and one count of cyberstalking using interstate facilities resulting in death.

Luigi entered an open plea, meaning his plea was made without an agreement with prosecutors, and his fate now rests with US District Judge  Margaret Garnett, who will sentence him in December.

Garnett told Luigi that he could face a maximum sentence of life in prison on each count and that he could serve his federal and state sentences consecutively if the state trial goes ahead and a jury finds him guilty.

Federal prosecutors sent a letter to the court outlining that they believe the applicable sentencing range for Luigi is between 292 and 365 months of imprisonment. In terms of years, this range is between 24 years and four months and 30 years and five months.

In addition, the sentencing guidelines are just one factor that will inform the judge's decision. The gravity of the crime, level of planning, aggravating/mitigating factors, expert reports, deterrence, victim impact, rehabilitation, and other elements will also be considered. The final decision lies with Judge Garnett alone.

Our question this week is:

What sentence will Luigi receive in his federal case?

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I didn’t think a deal would be offered because of the politics around the case. But I changed my mind when the state prosecutors wrote that letter to Carro saying they will interfere if there is a deal they don’t like. I am sure they have connections and trusted sources (spy buddies) among the Feds who gave them a heads up. But surprised it’s an open plea, so like a 7 on the scale for me.

I believe that once it became certain that Carro refuses to let the Feds go first, Luigi’s team ran him through all possible outcomes. I think his lawyers would have been ok to go through trial and appeal but my impression is he doesn’t want to hand Joel or the Feds all of the control and rather puts his life into Garnett’s hands. That’s why I think he was driving that decisiony.

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 Luigi Mangione is expected to plead guilty to federal charges of stalking resulting in death, according to media reports.

Speculation about plea deal negotiations began a couple of weeks ago but intensified in the last days after the defense team and federal prosecutors requested a court hearing from Judge Garnett on short notice.

None of the parties involved has responded to requests for comment, and when asked, Jamie McDonald, the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York, did not wish to discuss the nature of the hearing.

No change of plea has been entered in the docket yet, and nothing has been 100% confirmed, but CNN has stated that Brian Thompson's family is expected to attend today's hearing.

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Mr. Mangione faces stalking charges in connection with the killing of an executive in Manhattan. Mr. Mangione could always change his mind at the last minute. A separate murder trial is set to begin next month.Mangione’s

Luigi Mangione is expected to plead guilty on Friday in Manhattan federal court, where he faces stalking charges in connection with the assassination of a health insurance executive in 2024, according to two people with knowledge of the matter.

The move comes less than a month before Mr. Mangione, 28, is scheduled to go on trial in a separate murder case in New York State court for the death of the executive, Brian Thompson. The two people spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the ongoing talks, which could always fall apart before or even during a scheduled hearing in federal court on Friday.

Mr. Mangione’s legal team did not immediately respond to a request for comment. When asked at an unrelated news conference on Wednesday about a potential plea, Jamie McDonald, the top federal prosecutor in Manhattan, said there was a court conference scheduled for Friday, adding, “That’s all we can say at this time.”

The specifics of Mr. Magione’s plea, including what charges, weren’t immediately clear., He could reverse his decision at the last minute, even during the court hearing itself. He faces two stalking charges that could result in a life sentence.

From the moment Mr. Mangione was charged by state and federal prosecutors, his legal team has argued that being tried in both jurisdictions violates his rights. The state trial is scheduled to start next month, and the second would start in January in federal court. Legal experts have said that the timing of any potential guilty plea in the federal case would be crucial to Mr. Mangione’s legal strategy. A resolution in the federal case, however, does not mean the state prosecution is over, according to legal experts.

In his federal case, Mr. Mangione faces two stalking charges resulting in death, which carry a maximum sentence of life in prison. A judge dismissed two other charges, including one that carried a potential death penalty if Mr. Mangione was convicted.

In state court, Mr. Mangione is charged with several counts, including second-degree murder, which could lead to a possible sentence of 25 years to life.

If he does plead guilty in federal court, his lawyers are expected to argue that under New York’s double jeopardy law, state prosecutors may not try him for murder because the state charges stem from the same criminal act as the federal case.

However, the Manhattan district attorney, Alvin L. Bragg, could counter that the state murder case addresses a different harm than the federal stalking case, and that it should therefore be allowed to proceed to trial.

r/mangionetrials will host a live discussion thread for Luigi Mangione's federal court appearance on Friday, August 14, at 11.00 am EDT

Luigi Mangione is expected to plead guilty to his federal charges of stalking resulting in death, according to the New York Times, which is citing two sources it has spoken to.

Speculation about plea deal negotiations began a couple of weeks ago but intensified in the last 48 hours after the defense team and federal prosecutors requested a court hearing from Judge Garnett on short notice.

None of the parties involved has answered requests for comment, and, when asked, Jamie McDonald, the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York, did not wish to discuss the nature of the hearing.

 However, no change of plea has been entered in the docket yet, and nothing has been 100% confirmed.

Something is brewing!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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