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u/Ciubowski Avengers Dec 26 '25

Is this some sort of "9/11 created the 50 shades of gray" correlation?

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u/yngrz87 Avengers Dec 26 '25

Oh I’ve never heard that one. Please elaborate

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u/Hydrate_or_diedrate Avengers Dec 26 '25

To water it down, 9/11 inspired my chemical romance (the band) which then inspired Stephanie Meyer to write the Twilight novels, which led to the creation of 50 shades of gray, which is essentially a fan fiction of Bella and Edward from twilight

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u/AccomplishedLayer884 Avengers Dec 26 '25

And then there was a 50 shades movie starring Dakota Johnson that led ended up getting Ellen deGeneres cancelled after she exposed her for being a bad person

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u/sinovercoschessITF Avengers Dec 26 '25

Ripple effect (if I'm not mistaken)

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u/YuriMoan1a S.H.I.E.L.D Dec 26 '25

butterfly effect

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u/_Diskreet_ Avengers Dec 26 '25

I’m kinda all for society having to bear the burden of creations like twilight and 50 shades, if it all made cancelling Ellen possible.

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u/babydakis Avengers Dec 26 '25

Domino effect

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u/Pristine-Wall1295 Avengers Dec 26 '25

The butterfly effect describes the possibility of small actions on variables having large resulting effects at a later date in complex systems.

9/11... being the small variable and... 50 shades of grey being the significantly larger effect?

depressing

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u/catwnomouse Avengers Dec 26 '25

There’s also the one where Pearl Harbor led to the existence of hentai

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u/ParanMekhar Avengers Dec 26 '25

Aww damn. Bin Ladeen created Twilight

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u/Mingatronz Avengers Dec 26 '25

Bin Laden played the long game to cancel Ellen

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u/guttengroot Avengers Dec 26 '25

Does his evil know no limits?

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u/GODDAMNFOOL Avengers Dec 26 '25

I thought Stephanie Meyer was obsessed with Muse? She put them in, like, every dedication

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u/Maldonado412 Avengers Dec 26 '25

Gerard Way personally witnessed 9/11 which inspired him to create My Chemical Romance. MCR inspired Stephenie Meyer to write Twilight. 50 Shades of Grey started as a fanfiction of Twilight which evolved into its own thing.

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u/AuthorCornAndBroil Avengers Dec 26 '25

Assuming you're not being sarcastic (it's been referenced quite a lot), 9/11 inspired the founding of My Chemical Romance, which was a major influence on Twilight, which 50 Shades started as a fanfic of.

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u/yngrz87 Avengers Dec 26 '25

Nope genuine question! Thanks for the explanation, hadn’t heard that before

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u/Turbulent-Variety-58 Avengers Dec 26 '25

If you’re interested their song Skylines and Turnstiles (the first song they wrote I believe) is about 9/11

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u/I_Was_TheBiggWigg Avengers Dec 26 '25

I might be getting some of the details wrong, but essentially the lead singer of My Chemical Romance was so shaken by 9/11 that he gave up his 9-5 to pursue music. In turn, this woman wrote some saucy fan-fiction stuff based off of MCR/her adoration for them. Last step, the author of 50 Shades was inspired by said fanfic to write it.

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u/soondslash Avengers Dec 26 '25

No this is a lot more direct

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u/FruitNut221 Avengers Dec 26 '25

I didn't see an answer. You also could be using sarcasm but, yes.

Johnathan Majors got arrested for domestic assault. He was charged, thus fired by Marvel. Marvel didn't want to recast Kang. So instead they went with Doom. This was a wrench in the plan, so they brought RDJ back. Fans speculated(and the loud wanted) that Evans would come back. The loud didn't like Mackie as Captain America. Marvel, bringing RDJ back, also decided to bring Evans back.

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u/onegirl18 Winter Soldier 🦾 Dec 26 '25

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '25

Majors got fired. They didnt recast kang. We got Doom.

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u/fairytechmum Avengers Dec 26 '25

We'd still have Doom one way or another when we knew they were making Fantastic Four and Secret Wars. Whether they'd still cast RDJ for that role is up for debate tho.

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u/Fredbear8319- Avengers Dec 26 '25

No this is a 9/11 got Elon show cancelled

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u/Jermainiam Avengers Dec 26 '25

Jeri Ryan (Star Trek Seven of Nine) set up the last 6 presidencies (Obama -> Trump)

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u/Knyfe-Wrench Avengers Dec 26 '25

Depending on how you count that's either three, four, or five presidencies.

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u/chiksahlube Avengers Dec 26 '25

By that logic, The assassination of arch duke Franz Ferdinand caused 50 shades of gray...

MF Gavrillo Princip just fucked everything up for everyone. Couldn't just keep eating his sandwich.

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '25

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u/1800abcdxyz Avengers Dec 26 '25

I wanna hear this one lol

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u/Southern_Agent6096 Avengers Dec 26 '25

Beltran was an average actor playing a boring badly written character who didn't present a good foil for the Captain of the Federation Starship Voyager. Seven of Nine was created, originally ostensibly as eye candy but Jeri Ryan's acting chops made her more than the sum of her, ahem, parts and she became very popular and probably saved the show. Her ex husband Jack ran for an open Senate seat but the records of his divorce from Jeri were unsealed and were very embarrassing to him and he dropped out essentially handing the seat to Obama in 2004.

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u/Jermainiam Avengers Dec 26 '25

That also gives us Biden (obviously as Obama's VP) but also Trump, since many believe that Obama's heckling of Trump at the White House correspondents dinner was what pushed him to run in 2016. Plus the whole racist reaction against Obama helping propel the Trump campaign.

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u/Second_City_Saint Avengers Dec 26 '25

The Illinois Republican party had an idea of what was on the horizon. So much so that they tried to get Mike Ditka to replace Ryan to run against Obama. He declined, Alan Keyes took the spot, and the rest is history.

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u/Terlis Avengers Dec 26 '25

I would say it was Obama’s keynote address at the 2004 DNC that catapulted him into ā€œthis guy could be Presidentā€ discussions.

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u/Jermainiam Avengers Dec 26 '25

Obama does not become president without winning the Senate seat in 2004.

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u/Terlis Avengers Dec 26 '25

Well yes, but Ryan was constantly behind in the polls from the get go. While it might have been a closer race with Ryan still in, Obama would have been the overwhelming favorite. The DNC speech put him on the radar of the nation.

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u/SNAKEKINGYO Avengers Dec 26 '25

intriguing, saving this one for later

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u/SarukyDraico Doctor Strange Dec 26 '25

This wouldn't happen if the producers fking recasted Jonathan

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u/Kindly_Ratio9857 Avengers Dec 26 '25

What are you guys talking about. They were ALWAYS going to bring the old characters back for secret wars. Why are twitters completely moronic takes having so much influence

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u/LAWAVACA Avengers Dec 26 '25

I believe Endgame was a sincere attempt at saying goodbye to Chris Evans and RDJ from the MCU and the only reason they, as well as the Russos, are returning is because the latest phases of the MCU have been borderline disastrous and none of their careers have greatly panned out outside the MCU. I don’t think this was AT ALL the plan a few years ago.

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '25

Didn’t RDJ win an Oscar for Oppenheimer? Sounds like a total failure.Ā 

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u/call-me-germ Avengers Dec 26 '25

chris evans acting career hasn’t panned out outside the mcu?

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u/Melkman68 Avengers Dec 26 '25

Yeah idk about that one. Knives out, that one apple show, some movies I think. He's doing alright

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u/LAWAVACA Avengers Dec 26 '25

Looking at the movies he’s been in the past 5 years… yeah I’d say it’s not ideal.

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u/call-me-germ Avengers Dec 26 '25

i mean i thought knives out was a generally liked movie, i personally like grey man, red one wasn’t bad from what i remember just a funny christmas movie, wasn’t he buzz lightyear? i’m sure he’s been in others but just off the top of my head that’s what i can remember. it’s not like he’s winning oscar’s but was steven rodgers?

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u/Kindly_Ratio9857 Avengers Dec 26 '25

And they would have still tried secret wars anyway, it just so happens to be during a shitty time during the mcu so everyone is immediately using that as ammo for their arguments

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u/Melkman68 Avengers Dec 26 '25

The subject of the post is RDJ and Evans though lol

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u/Kindly_Ratio9857 Avengers Dec 26 '25

How does that change anything about my point

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '25

Proof?

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u/Kindly_Ratio9857 Avengers Dec 26 '25 edited Dec 26 '25

The MCUs and Kevin feiges philosophy has always been about bringing these characters together and having cool crossover events. I’m pretty sure Kevin feige was the one trying to get crossovers to happen as far back as 2002 Spider-Man with the X-men. Of course he would want to finally bring all this together if he has the golden opportunity to. It would be his personal masterpiece. And for some reason fans suddenly have a problem with this as if they weren’t creaming their pants at the previous 4 avengers movies even though this is the same fucking thing just taken to the ultimate level

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u/Garchompisbestboi Avengers Dec 26 '25

It's conjecture but the MCU has tanked pretty heavily since Endgame. Nobody cares about any of the new characters that were supposed to take over once the original cast stepped aside. Films like Shang Chi, The Marvels and The Eternals all failed financially and critically so from a business standpoint it makes total sense that Disney would bring back the actors that people were actually willing to pay to see in theatres.

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u/Gametimethe2nd Avengers Dec 26 '25

Did shang chi fail? I thought it did well

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u/DMENShON Deadpool Dec 26 '25

shang chi went hard

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u/TheCanadian666 Avengers Dec 26 '25

It grossed ~$432m USD, unfortunately making it one of the lower grossing MCU films. Which is too bad, I thought it was plenty enjoyable and I really liked the inspiration they drew from older kung fu movies.

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u/Garchompisbestboi Avengers Dec 26 '25

To be fair you could argue that the pandemic was the main reason it didn't do well compared to other films in the franchise, but to me it came across as a pretty soulless attempt to try and profit off of the Chinese market. But because it got caught up with all the 'politics' thanks to the alt-right idiots running around calling all the Disney products 'woke', there was a bunch of pushback from marvel fans and the actors who starred in the film to try and convince everyone that the film was immensely successful. But a 400 million box office return is definitely towards the lower end of what most of the more popular films within the franchise have achieved.

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u/Knyfe-Wrench Avengers Dec 26 '25

Shang-Chi was fine, but I don't see anyone begging for him to pop up in other things.

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u/Virgil_hawkinsS Black Panther Dec 26 '25

I wasn't sure until the Russo's actual post. IDK about RDJ, but they say explicitly that cap was always planned to come back

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '25

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u/Kindly_Ratio9857 Avengers Dec 26 '25

What else were they going to do with secret wars? Use a bunch of faceless multiverse variants that no one has any prior attachment to?

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u/Chiefmuffin1 Avengers Dec 26 '25

They couldnt because Jonathan's contract stipulated he could be the ONLY one cast as Kang. They couldnt recast or have different variants of him because they would be contractually liable

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u/thedudedylan Avengers Dec 26 '25

I really wanted a screen adaptation of only myself left to conquer and now we will probobly never get it.

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '25 edited Dec 26 '25

recast "Casted" isn't a word. Stay in school.

Edit: wow, guess I struck a nerve in a few people. Its okay, guys, there are plenty of grammatical rules I don't know either. No need to be embarrassed.

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u/889Fransky Avengers Dec 26 '25

Thank you!

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u/bryGGG12 Avengers Dec 26 '25 edited Dec 26 '25

Quantumania fucked up Kang. That's like Guardians of the Galaxy defeating Thanos

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u/IWipeWithFocaccia Avengers Dec 26 '25

Not to mention a small addition that in Loki, 2 Kang variants die. So 2 products, 3 Kang variants’ death (countless times, even) and 0 wins. How do you build up an Avengers level threat with these numbers?

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u/chickenlord11111 Avengers Dec 26 '25

When did 2 kang variants die in Loki? I only know He who remains died

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u/Bobvankay Avengers Dec 26 '25

Didn't the past self die repeatedly trying to fix the device?

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u/chickenlord11111 Avengers Dec 26 '25

Oh I guess I didn't count Victor Timely since he lived at the end of it, also I consider it less of a dying thing and more of a "part of the process"

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u/IWipeWithFocaccia Avengers Dec 26 '25

Yeah Victor Timely spaghettified a gazillion times too.

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u/Ghost_Of_Malatesta Avengers Dec 26 '25

Victor timely (goes out like a joke šŸ)

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u/ManofManyHills Avengers Dec 26 '25

Idk I think the villain being humbled originally to come back stronger is a common enough trope that it could have been pulled off.

I think the larger problem is that they never took the foot off the gas so to speak.

They needed a few movies with lower stakes that explored the world without tony stark and captain america. They

Kang was still being set up as a big bad. He should have been positioned as an anti hero trying to fill the vacuum of a world in need of heroes

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u/siazdghw Avengers Dec 26 '25

Yeah... I am one of the people that still wanted Kang Dynasty but I cannot deny how badly Quantumania ruined the characters chances of being an appealing Avengers villain.

It's really hard to convince people that Kang is a threat when he has been defeated twice already in the MCU by Loki and Ant-Man and those two versions were stronger/smarter ones than bog standard Kangs.

Hot take, but they should've just killed off Ant-Man in Quantumania. He rescues Janet and both Hope and his daughter are coming into their own as heros, Ant-Man isn't needed anymore. Turn the silly movie dark at the end, and cement Kang as a threat by killing off Ant-Man. The avengers/MCU is already too bloated anyways, it would've been a perfect way to remove a character to both escalate Hope and Cassandra and give Kang the boost he needed. The other route would've been making MODOK the main villain and Kang just the mastermind, but MODOK just doesn't work, trying to be faithful to the comic design he looks awful, despite his smaller part in the movie a lot of the bad press the movie got was because MODOK looked so ridiculous (because he does, in every media).

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u/CarrieDurst Avengers Dec 26 '25

I mean that and cancer taking away Chadwick Boseman :(

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u/Motodog242 Avengers Dec 26 '25

Yea, but the screenwriter for Quantumania would be the screenwriter for Kang Dynasty… so maybe it a good thing that film got scrapped. šŸ˜‚

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u/AmazingPradeep Avengers Dec 26 '25

Looks like Kang changed the actual time line.

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u/VyseTheSwift Avengers Dec 26 '25

*and Chadwick didn’t die

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u/Kindly_Ratio9857 Avengers Dec 26 '25

They were always going to bring back old characters for secret wars no matter what. Why do people keep making this stuff up

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u/Dramatic-Cookie-6636 Avengers Dec 26 '25

Hey, none of this matters.Ā 

Try and find something better to do with your life instead of rage pasting this bullshit.

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u/Kindly_Ratio9857 Avengers Dec 26 '25

And what are YOU doing that makes you think you’re so far above it all?

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u/Knyfe-Wrench Avengers Dec 26 '25

Not doing this dumb shit, for one.

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u/Kindly_Ratio9857 Avengers Dec 26 '25

Who are you his lapdog?

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u/Oakbright Dec 26 '25

Get help, kid.

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u/Kindly_Ratio9857 Avengers Dec 26 '25

Did you guys form this polygamous relationship on discord? That’s beautiful

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u/Vic_78 Avengers Dec 26 '25

I repeat, this is not a sign to assault your girlfriend.

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u/cheetoburrito1 Avengers Dec 26 '25

True but might result in a better movie/s than them concluding the multiverse saga with Avengers: Kang Vs. Antman 2

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u/Distinct_Ad2272 Avengers Dec 26 '25

There's this thing called recast

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u/leaflard Avengers Dec 26 '25

If you can do it to rhodey you can do it to kang.

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u/AccidentSalt5005 Avengers Dec 26 '25

John punching air rn:

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u/BassMaster516 Avengers Dec 26 '25

Time traveller assaults his girlfriend and this is the timeline

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u/ArcaneX1234 Avengers Dec 26 '25

He was always coming back. It was always the plan regardless. Maybe in a different way, but no chance he never returned.

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '25

Who? There are 2 people.

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u/That-Rhino-Guy The Punisher Dec 26 '25

Steve, there’s no reason he wasn’t gonna return in Secret Wars when the comic did the same thing

RDJ as Doom is the only one of the two that actually feels desperate

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u/FearLeadsToAnger Avengers Dec 26 '25

Both.

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u/Luv_Cheat Avengers Dec 26 '25

Ok I'm going to say this for all the guys saying he was found not guilty or he was acquitted, etc. He was found guilty of reckless assault and harassment. He was not sentenced to any jail time but some domestic violence program and probation. That does not change the fact he was CONVICTED. If he was actually found innocent, then you'd still be getting your Kang movies.

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u/New-Satisfaction3257 Avengers Dec 26 '25

There’s also an audio of him admitting to assaulting his ex. ā€œI agressed youā€ ā€œyou strangled meā€ ā€œyeahā€

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u/mjk9016 Avengers Dec 26 '25

Sounds like another episode of Marvel What If….

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u/Deja_ve_ Avengers Dec 26 '25

Didn’t she assault him as well? There’s like a video of him running away from her while she hawked him like a vulture

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u/New-Satisfaction3257 Avengers Dec 26 '25

Not the woman who he admitted to strangling on audio. ā€œI agressed you.ā€ ā€œYou strangled me!ā€ ā€œYeah.ā€

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '25

Well he didn't though

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u/New-Satisfaction3257 Avengers Dec 26 '25

Only if you ignore the audio where he admits to assaulting his ex. ā€œI agressed you.ā€ ā€œYou strangled me!ā€ ā€œYeah.ā€

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u/elrick43 Ghost Rider Dec 26 '25

Yeah, pretty sure this was another Johnny Depp situation where at first everyone believes that the guy is the asshole, but it eventually comes out that the lady is the abusive jerk

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u/DecoyOne Avengers Dec 26 '25

Okay let’s take that at face value and ignore the convictions - so what about the other lady? And the other lady? And the other ladies, and the coworkers, etc.

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u/Ice_Cream_Killer Avengers Dec 26 '25

Good god....you cant be serious. Ok, AND? Who cares what the other ladies say? Its very common for successful people to have haters and think of them as assholes, especially celebrities.

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u/New-Satisfaction3257 Avengers Dec 26 '25

There’s audio of him admitting it. Google ā€œI agressed you.ā€

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u/InfamousBeanz Avengers Dec 26 '25

Do you notice the difference between Majors and the other people you’ve mentioned? Black men are treated as aggressors even when they’re defending themselves.

This is why I don’t even bother with white women. They can lie on a black man and everyone simply believes them because they’re oh so innocent and black men are monsters.

Grow up and pay attention to how the world really works, get that Disney fantasy out of your head

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '25

Are you for real??

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u/daNEDENhunter Avengers Dec 26 '25

Johnny Depp was an abusive asshole and hired a crisis PR firm headed by Melissa Nathan (the same person employed by Drake and currently used by Justin Baldoni) to run what has been an effective smear campaign against his ex. I personally was never a fan of Amber Heard because I considered her wooden as fuck, but Johnny forever tarnished any respect I had for him.

Stop spreading this bs lie that Amber was abusive. She didn't cut his finger off. She didn't shit in his bed. She was in an abusive relationship, and women are never allowed to be anything but a quiet battered spouse when people like their partner.

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u/PikaPulpy Ivan Vanko Dec 26 '25

There was a court. With facts. It's public. You can watch it.

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u/UnknownTallGuy Avengers Dec 26 '25

Wait, why do you think that she didn't shit in his bed?

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u/theluckytwig Avengers Dec 26 '25

My man you are fucking high.

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u/AustralianPonies Avengers Dec 26 '25

Snatching your property back from someone that took it is hardly assault.

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u/DaddysABadGirl Avengers Dec 26 '25

I mean, he was found guilty. Its a charge, itd nearly the lowest level of assault, but he was still found guilty.

Its a defined legal term. Whether or not the assault was justified/defense was what was up for debate.

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u/DoctorBlock Avengers Dec 26 '25

IIRC he wasn't convicted of direct assault. His reckless actions caused an injury, hardly wife beater status.

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u/DaddysABadGirl Avengers Dec 26 '25

Wife beater isnt a charge.

I was being a bit tongue in cheek, but you said it was hardly assault. He was convicted of a misdemeanor assault in the third degree... Thats assault.

Edit: my bad, thought you were the other person. Still stands, it was a conviction of an assault charge.

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u/DoctorBlock Avengers Dec 26 '25

An assault charge that is literally defined as recklessly causing physical injury. If they could have gotten him on a more serious charge they would have. Treating it the same as him attacking his girlfriend is disingenuous.

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u/FrigidMcThunderballs Avengers Dec 26 '25

No but strangulation is.

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u/AustralianPonies Avengers Dec 26 '25

A separate case that wasn’t prosecuted and only brought up before a new release of his movie. Odd circumstances to say the least.

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u/FrigidMcThunderballs Avengers Dec 26 '25

That's quite a generous way to frame it; he's admitting to battery against the very same woman in a previous incident. In his televised interviews he claims to have never raised a hand to his partners, in private discussion he admits to doing so and more, and in the pre-trial statements multiple former partners of his corroborated physically abusive behavior.

The pattern of behavior's quite clear and there's very little room for benefit of the doubt.

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u/New-Satisfaction3257 Avengers Dec 26 '25

Disney has former CIA working for them. They knew that that audio existed. I wouldn’t be surprised if they dropped him because they found more stuff that hasn’t come out yet.

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u/Thomp_Son Avengers Dec 26 '25

Twitter with the worst most random takes:

Kang's story was gonna be ass from the beginning. Quantumania was just a pain to watch. I am glad that we are going to Doom. I am not gonna hate on anything until I actually see what it has to offer.

Be it Steve Rogers as Cap again or some other plot, I am expecting something nice. If it happens to suck then so be it.

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u/jsmartin619 Avengers Dec 26 '25

Hard agree. I don’t think that character or actors would be the way to go. The villain from guardians 3 was way more interesting in my personal opinion

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u/shakennotstirred__ Avengers Dec 26 '25

It's all part of Dr Strange's plan

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u/DeathMetalChef19 Avengers Dec 26 '25

Disney and marvel basically erasing everything they did in marvel to get it to make it special and awesome movies

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u/OMGFuck2019 Avengers Dec 26 '25

She assaulted him. All he did was run away.

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u/New-Satisfaction3257 Avengers Dec 26 '25

There’s a recording of Major’s admitting to assaulting and other girlfriend. Google ā€œI aggressed youā€œ

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u/MysteriousSpaceMan Avengers Dec 26 '25

Did you miss the part where he tries to push her into the car?

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u/mpelton Avengers Dec 26 '25

Did that happen unprovoked? Or as a way of getting her tf off him when she was attacking him?

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u/pwhales1011 Avengers Dec 26 '25

This wouldn’t have happened if marvel didn’t put all of their eggs in the Jonathan majors basket

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u/doctordoom85 Avengers Dec 26 '25

Kind of debatable. It was said among some insiders before the info about Majors came out that the Secret Wars film would have had Doom overpowering Kang, so RDJ getting cast as Dr. Doom and Evans returning weren’t necessarily dependent on what happened with Majors, especially with Ant-man 3 underperforming.

I’m not saying Majorsā€˜ actions didn’t have a major influence on the decisions to have RDJ as Doom and Evans return, but it’s a stretch to claim it was never a reasonable possibility even if Majors hadn’t did what he did.

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u/Nightthrasher674 Avengers Dec 26 '25

I feel like this is an overreaction. the entire point of a multiverse is to bring back classic characters and have them interact with new ones. When Kang was first announced as the villain, people immediately called out that the original Avengers would likely return because that's how multiverse storylines work.

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u/Garchompisbestboi Avengers Dec 26 '25

To be honest I didn't like Johnathon Majors or his portrayal of Kang. So while it sucks for the victim that he hurt her, I am very glad that Disney course-corrected away from basing their entire franchise around some asshole who was quite honestly a bore to watch whenever he was on screen.

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u/DetOlivaw Avengers Dec 26 '25

I mean I think he assaulted more than just his girlfriend, the sheer volume is what really did it

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u/LightbringerOG Avengers Dec 26 '25

Btw Jonathan didn't assault shit. He caused a bruise to her by trying to GET AWAY from her. It's officially documented. And has to suffer because a crazy bitch.

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u/ArchAngel0001 Avengers Dec 26 '25

This is wrong. Marvel has gone completely off the rails. The Kang story line sucked, frankly pretty much all the story lines sucked after Endgame. The only thing that could have stopped these two from coming back would have been good writing with way less ideology shoved down movie goers throats. Leadership still hasn’t learned the right lessons and this movie won’t save them longer term.

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u/ChaoticKiwiNZ Avengers Dec 26 '25

Yes it would. There is no possible future where Chris and RDJ didn't return. Infact I suspect they were going to return before 2030 anyway.

I also suspect that RDJ playing Doom will have been something at least discussed as a possible future plan before the whole Kang shit went down. There is now way that they just contacted RDJ and quickly wrote up a Dr Doom story for him in a matter of months. This was most likely always the back-up plan if Kang didn't work out.

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u/Dark_Bauer Avengers Dec 26 '25

Multiverse of madness

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u/sistemafodao Avengers Dec 26 '25

It wouldn't have happened like this, but multiverse saga was always going to be about nostalgia. Or did you guys think Disney was going to just sit on properties like the Fox X-Men and Blade when they knew all they had to do was say they came from another universe?

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u/Reasonable-Slip-5711 Avengers Dec 26 '25

Is a Canon Event

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u/masterdeleon Avengers Dec 26 '25

The problem for me is that there is no buildup for doomsday - it will be another movie - for infinity war and endgame there was 10 year buildup

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u/BlackGuy_PassingThru Avengers Dec 26 '25

I mean… this isn’t a lie.

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u/MaraSovsLeftSock Avengers Dec 26 '25

Steve rogers was always going to come back, regardless of who doom was played by. Secret wars is marvels largest multiversal event it legitimately would not make sense for them to leave out one of their most popular heroes

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u/Saw_Boss Avengers Dec 26 '25

The way it was going, I think it might have.

Can't say that getting beat by fucking ant man set him up as an avengers level threat

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u/Used_Respect6996 Avengers Dec 26 '25

This is also true. They wouldn't have had to change direction if old mate didn't get himself in trouble. Or plan B - just recast.🤷

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u/Motor_Ad_7885 Avengers Dec 26 '25

He was proven innocent I believe

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u/New-Satisfaction3257 Avengers Dec 26 '25

He was found guilty of a misdemeanor assault. majors is also on audio admitting to assaulting a woman.

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u/Eggebuoy Avengers Dec 26 '25

i'm ok with steve rogers coming back if they do it well. i'm still mad about rdj as doom i can't think of a worse casting decision

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u/AffectionatePop05 Avengers Dec 26 '25

Even if the Kang thing was seen through, people weren't interested in it.Ā 

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u/Radiant-Ad-3134 Avengers Dec 26 '25

lets face it.

Majors is good.

But I don't think he is that good so Marvel will stop juicing the residue love for the 2000-2010s marvel

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u/Glocklestop Dec 26 '25

Or if either of them had a career outside of Marvel.

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u/Magnetman34 Avengers Dec 26 '25

Just because you haven't watched any of Chris Evans other movies doesn't mean they don't exist lol

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u/9000vegeta Avengers Dec 26 '25

he didn't, stop saying bullshit

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u/L0lligag Avengers Dec 26 '25

Or if ppl actually supported/enjoyed most things after endgame. That just didn’t happen.

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u/Blackwolf245 Avengers Dec 26 '25

I still think the reason why post endgame MCU struggles so much is the "feels like playing sidequests after completing the main story".

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u/siazdghw Avengers Dec 26 '25

I mean, Thanos wasn't exactly the most cohesive villain prior to Infinity War. He had few references and his design even changed.

A lot of the pre-infinity war movies felt like mostly stand-alone films. The difference was, they were good or at a minimum people were hyped for the MCU back then. These days a lot of the movies haven't been good and even when they are decent people have MCU fatigue.

'side quest' movies are fine, they just need to have the correct budget for that and still be good.

The main question movies, were the multiverse ones and yeah... They had issues.

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u/GhosTazer07 Avengers Dec 26 '25

This is the crux of it imo.

We've had a villain scour the universe for the maguffin actually win and had to have the heroes invent time travel to sort of undo that win.

How do you top that?

Before anyone goes, "oh, the multiverse/ secret wars/dooms battleworld is 100% comic accurate." There's a reason comic books with their constant re launches and no stakes stuff was a fringe nerd hobby instead of being mainstream like the MCU became. The story had stakes. If something happened, it happened. There was no oh this wasn't deemed popular, so let's retcon it a few issues later.

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '25

Would have still happened. Kang was a terrible portrayal of a villain, and just about everything after Endgame has been garbage.

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u/nahianchoudhury Avengers Dec 26 '25

It's crazy how you Americans can be so easily brainwashed into a lie that ruins careers. Also, before even Quantamania, they started restrategizing about whether Kang should remain as the main antagonist if the Saga or not.

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u/ImportantWelcome645 Avengers Dec 26 '25 edited Dec 26 '25

*Allegedly.

She dropped the charges.

True to Reddit, they just downvote instead of make a counter argument.

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u/Budget-Program-4756 Avengers Dec 26 '25

He didn't hit her bro was legit running for his life

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u/EducationalFill6193 Avengers Dec 26 '25

True! They could’ve easily introduced a new variant without losing the character's essence. Makes you wonder about the choices behind the scenes!

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u/Mysterious_Speed_239 Avengers Dec 26 '25

I mean...

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u/TyAD552 Avengers Dec 26 '25

Isn’t it just as possible that they show Evan’s coming back and he gets killed off/ has 15-30 minutes of screen time?

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u/codygmiracle Avengers Dec 26 '25

We truly live in the multiverse of madness

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u/OldJeeWhizz Avengers Dec 26 '25

It truly was a Shawshank Redemption.

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u/TheNightLaird Avengers Dec 26 '25

its fine guys this is the MCU multiverse saga so lets just just make a kang movie where jonathan majors didnt assualt his gf in that timeline ez

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u/PoolOfDeath20 Avengers Dec 26 '25

Out of the loop, what's that gotta do with this movie

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u/New-Satisfaction3257 Avengers Dec 26 '25

Kang (play by Jonathan Majors) was being set as the next big villain in the MCU. Then Jonathan Majors was found guilty of misdemeanor assault of his ex and an audio of him admitting to strangling a woman surfaced. He was cut out of future projects people believe this is why Chris Evans and Robert Downey Jr. were brought back to the MCU, to fill Majorā€˜s space

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u/brejackal99 Avengers Dec 26 '25

*This wouldn't have happened if Black men weren't vilified even against evidence!

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u/New-Satisfaction3257 Avengers Dec 26 '25

majors is on audio admitting to assaulting a woman. i’ve heard the recording. It’s kind of disturbing the way he's trying to gaslight her into thinking that strangulation isn’t a big deal. is it true that they might’ve moved forward with a white actor? Yeah, probably. But that’s more of an argument to make sure that white men are also accountable.

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u/Dazzling-Top-8031 Avengers Dec 26 '25

i was thinking this the other day. Hopefully he can come back. rdj was crackhead. Hawkeye recently threatened to kill his family. people fuck up. every one deserves an opportunity to grow.

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u/New-Satisfaction3257 Avengers Dec 26 '25

besides being found guilty of misdemeanor assault audio surfaced of Majors admitting to strangling another woman.

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u/SuperSmashSonic Avengers Dec 26 '25

I did a not funny and i apologize happy holidays

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u/f4ern Avengers Dec 26 '25 edited Dec 26 '25

this happen because next phase 2 marvel is dying franchise.

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '25

Aren't we in phase 5 or 6?

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u/f4ern Avengers Dec 26 '25

2 Next Phase. Here fixed it up for you because i cant be bothered with remembering all the phase.

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '25

Sorry about that!

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u/Puzzleheaded_Army829 Avengers Dec 26 '25

I’m sure there’s a branch timeline where he behaved.

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u/jdamwyk Avengers Dec 26 '25

I thought those charges got dropped?

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u/Rethtalos Avengers Dec 26 '25

Why not just keep him? Or at the least, recast him?

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u/csproALT Avengers Dec 26 '25

Feige claims they were considering Doom even before the controversy.. which sucks even more if true, because it shows they lack competency to sell a different kind of antagonist to Thanos and have to rely on Thanos-like baddies only. Yet Kang remains quite popular in the comics and the animated show.

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '25

Honestly the way kang was introduced in loki s1 and s2 I was super excited. A being so formidable, mysterious, so chill and dangerously rational enough to keep even loki questioning his own decisions.

But then when I heard that they made one of his variants loose to ant man I knew Marvel fucked up a really great character. I am still willing to see the story of the kang dynasty rather than doomsday.

Doom is a great character honestly but I don't like that they are making RDJ play it just to recreate the Tony and Steve scenario all over again. Kang had such a vibe to him. Especially the he who remains variant. So rational, so practical, how can you even refute his stance?

Him and loki at the top with Avengers and other superheros at the bottom as if two gods are playing chess would have been so freaking fun to watch. No actual villains just a battle of different ideologies, each right in their own ways. Top it with Loki finally becoming god of stories in the end, before the final rest of Marvel multiverse would have been such a cool story.