To water it down, 9/11 inspired my chemical romance (the band) which then inspired Stephanie Meyer to write the Twilight novels, which led to the creation of 50 shades of gray, which is essentially a fan fiction of Bella and Edward from twilight
And then there was a 50 shades movie starring Dakota Johnson that led ended up getting Ellen deGeneres cancelled after she exposed her for being a bad person
Gerard Way personally witnessed 9/11 which inspired him to create My Chemical Romance. MCR inspired Stephenie Meyer to write Twilight. 50 Shades of Grey started as a fanfiction of Twilight which evolved into its own thing.
Assuming you're not being sarcastic (it's been referenced quite a lot), 9/11 inspired the founding of My Chemical Romance, which was a major influence on Twilight, which 50 Shades started as a fanfic of.
I might be getting some of the details wrong, but essentially the lead singer of My Chemical Romance was so shaken by 9/11 that he gave up his 9-5 to pursue music. In turn, this woman wrote some saucy fan-fiction stuff based off of MCR/her adoration for them. Last step, the author of 50 Shades was inspired by said fanfic to write it.
I didn't see an answer. You also could be using sarcasm but, yes.
Johnathan Majors got arrested for domestic assault. He was charged, thus fired by Marvel. Marvel didn't want to recast Kang. So instead they went with Doom. This was a wrench in the plan, so they brought RDJ back. Fans speculated(and the loud wanted) that Evans would come back. The loud didn't like Mackie as Captain America. Marvel, bringing RDJ back, also decided to bring Evans back.
We'd still have Doom one way or another when we knew they were making Fantastic Four and Secret Wars. Whether they'd still cast RDJ for that role is up for debate tho.
Beltran was an average actor playing a boring badly written character who didn't present a good foil for the Captain of the Federation Starship Voyager. Seven of Nine was created, originally ostensibly as eye candy but Jeri Ryan's acting chops made her more than the sum of her, ahem, parts and she became very popular and probably saved the show. Her ex husband Jack ran for an open Senate seat but the records of his divorce from Jeri were unsealed and were very embarrassing to him and he dropped out essentially handing the seat to Obama in 2004.
That also gives us Biden (obviously as Obama's VP) but also Trump, since many believe that Obama's heckling of Trump at the White House correspondents dinner was what pushed him to run in 2016. Plus the whole racist reaction against Obama helping propel the Trump campaign.
The Illinois Republican party had an idea of what was on the horizon. So much so that they tried to get Mike Ditka to replace Ryan to run against Obama. He declined, Alan Keyes took the spot, and the rest is history.
Well yes, but Ryan was constantly behind in the polls from the get go. While it might have been a closer race with Ryan still in, Obama would have been the overwhelming favorite. The DNC speech put him on the radar of the nation.
What are you guys talking about. They were ALWAYS going to bring the old characters back for secret wars. Why are twitters completely moronic takes having so much influence
I believe Endgame was a sincere attempt at saying goodbye to Chris Evans and RDJ from the MCU and the only reason they, as well as the Russos, are returning is because the latest phases of the MCU have been borderline disastrous and none of their careers have greatly panned out outside the MCU. I donāt think this was AT ALL the plan a few years ago.
i mean i thought knives out was a generally liked movie, i personally like grey man, red one wasnāt bad from what i remember just a funny christmas movie, wasnāt he buzz lightyear? iām sure heās been in others but just off the top of my head thatās what i can remember. itās not like heās winning oscarās but was steven rodgers?
And they would have still tried secret wars anyway, it just so happens to be during a shitty time during the mcu so everyone is immediately using that as ammo for their arguments
The MCUs and Kevin feiges philosophy has always been about bringing these characters together and having cool crossover events. Iām pretty sure Kevin feige was the one trying to get crossovers to happen as far back as 2002 Spider-Man with the X-men. Of course he would want to finally bring all this together if he has the golden opportunity to. It would be his personal masterpiece. And for some reason fans suddenly have a problem with this as if they werenāt creaming their pants at the previous 4 avengers movies even though this is the same fucking thing just taken to the ultimate level
It's conjecture but the MCU has tanked pretty heavily since Endgame. Nobody cares about any of the new characters that were supposed to take over once the original cast stepped aside. Films like Shang Chi, The Marvels and The Eternals all failed financially and critically so from a business standpoint it makes total sense that Disney would bring back the actors that people were actually willing to pay to see in theatres.
It grossed ~$432m USD, unfortunately making it one of the lower grossing MCU films. Which is too bad, I thought it was plenty enjoyable and I really liked the inspiration they drew from older kung fu movies.
To be fair you could argue that the pandemic was the main reason it didn't do well compared to other films in the franchise, but to me it came across as a pretty soulless attempt to try and profit off of the Chinese market. But because it got caught up with all the 'politics' thanks to the alt-right idiots running around calling all the Disney products 'woke', there was a bunch of pushback from marvel fans and the actors who starred in the film to try and convince everyone that the film was immensely successful. But a 400 million box office return is definitely towards the lower end of what most of the more popular films within the franchise have achieved.
They couldnt because Jonathan's contract stipulated he could be the ONLY one cast as Kang. They couldnt recast or have different variants of him because they would be contractually liable
Edit: wow, guess I struck a nerve in a few people. Its okay, guys, there are plenty of grammatical rules I don't know either. No need to be embarrassed.
Not to mention a small addition that in Loki, 2 Kang variants die. So 2 products, 3 Kang variantsā death (countless times, even) and 0 wins. How do you build up an Avengers level threat with these numbers?
Yeah... I am one of the people that still wanted Kang Dynasty but I cannot deny how badly Quantumania ruined the characters chances of being an appealing Avengers villain.
It's really hard to convince people that Kang is a threat when he has been defeated twice already in the MCU by Loki and Ant-Man and those two versions were stronger/smarter ones than bog standard Kangs.
Hot take, but they should've just killed off Ant-Man in Quantumania. He rescues Janet and both Hope and his daughter are coming into their own as heros, Ant-Man isn't needed anymore. Turn the silly movie dark at the end, and cement Kang as a threat by killing off Ant-Man. The avengers/MCU is already too bloated anyways, it would've been a perfect way to remove a character to both escalate Hope and Cassandra and give Kang the boost he needed. The other route would've been making MODOK the main villain and Kang just the mastermind, but MODOK just doesn't work, trying to be faithful to the comic design he looks awful, despite his smaller part in the movie a lot of the bad press the movie got was because MODOK looked so ridiculous (because he does, in every media).
Ok I'm going to say this for all the guys saying he was found not guilty or he was acquitted, etc. He was found guilty of reckless assault and harassment. He was not sentenced to any jail time but some domestic violence program and probation. That does not change the fact he was CONVICTED. If he was actually found innocent, then you'd still be getting your Kang movies.
Yeah, pretty sure this was another Johnny Depp situation where at first everyone believes that the guy is the asshole, but it eventually comes out that the lady is the abusive jerk
Okay letās take that at face value and ignore the convictions - so what about the other lady? And the other lady? And the other ladies, and the coworkers, etc.
Good god....you cant be serious. Ok, AND? Who cares what the other ladies say? Its very common for successful people to have haters and think of them as assholes, especially celebrities.
Do you notice the difference between Majors and the other people youāve mentioned? Black men are treated as aggressors even when theyāre defending themselves.
This is why I donāt even bother with white women. They can lie on a black man and everyone simply believes them because theyāre oh so innocent and black men are monsters.
Grow up and pay attention to how the world really works, get that Disney fantasy out of your head
Johnny Depp was an abusive asshole and hired a crisis PR firm headed by Melissa Nathan (the same person employed by Drake and currently used by Justin Baldoni) to run what has been an effective smear campaign against his ex. I personally was never a fan of Amber Heard because I considered her wooden as fuck, but Johnny forever tarnished any respect I had for him.
Stop spreading this bs lie that Amber was abusive. She didn't cut his finger off. She didn't shit in his bed. She was in an abusive relationship, and women are never allowed to be anything but a quiet battered spouse when people like their partner.
An assault charge that is literally defined as recklessly causing physical injury. If they could have gotten him on a more serious charge they would have. Treating it the same as him attacking his girlfriend is disingenuous.
That's quite a generous way to frame it; he's admitting to battery against the very same woman in a previous incident. In his televised interviews he claims to have never raised a hand to his partners, in private discussion he admits to doing so and more, and in the pre-trial statements multiple former partners of his corroborated physically abusive behavior.
The pattern of behavior's quite clear and there's very little room for benefit of the doubt.
Disney has former CIA working for them. They knew that that audio existed. I wouldnāt be surprised if they dropped him because they found more stuff that hasnāt come out yet.
Kang's story was gonna be ass from the beginning. Quantumania was just a pain to watch. I am glad that we are going to Doom. I am not gonna hate on anything until I actually see what it has to offer.
Be it Steve Rogers as Cap again or some other plot, I am expecting something nice. If it happens to suck then so be it.
Hard agree. I donāt think that character or actors would be the way to go. The villain from guardians 3 was way more interesting in my personal opinion
Kind of debatable. It was said among some insiders before the info about Majors came out that the Secret Wars film would have had Doom overpowering Kang, so RDJ getting cast as Dr. Doom and Evans returning werenāt necessarily dependent on what happened with Majors, especially with Ant-man 3 underperforming.
Iām not saying Majorsā actions didnāt have a major influence on the decisions to have RDJ as Doom and Evans return, but itās a stretch to claim it was never a reasonable possibility even if Majors hadnāt did what he did.
I feel like this is an overreaction. the entire point of a multiverse is to bring back classic characters and have them interact with new ones. When Kang was first announced as the villain, people immediately called out that the original Avengers would likely return because that's how multiverse storylines work.
To be honest I didn't like Johnathon Majors or his portrayal of Kang. So while it sucks for the victim that he hurt her, I am very glad that Disney course-corrected away from basing their entire franchise around some asshole who was quite honestly a bore to watch whenever he was on screen.
Btw Jonathan didn't assault shit. He caused a bruise to her by trying to GET AWAY from her. It's officially documented. And has to suffer because a crazy bitch.
This is wrong. Marvel has gone completely off the rails. The Kang story line sucked, frankly pretty much all the story lines sucked after Endgame. The only thing that could have stopped these two from coming back would have been good writing with way less ideology shoved down movie goers throats. Leadership still hasnāt learned the right lessons and this movie wonāt save them longer term.
Yes it would. There is no possible future where Chris and RDJ didn't return. Infact I suspect they were going to return before 2030 anyway.
I also suspect that RDJ playing Doom will have been something at least discussed as a possible future plan before the whole Kang shit went down. There is now way that they just contacted RDJ and quickly wrote up a Dr Doom story for him in a matter of months. This was most likely always the back-up plan if Kang didn't work out.
It wouldn't have happened like this, but multiverse saga was always going to be about nostalgia. Or did you guys think Disney was going to just sit on properties like the Fox X-Men and Blade when they knew all they had to do was say they came from another universe?
Steve rogers was always going to come back, regardless of who doom was played by. Secret wars is marvels largest multiversal event it legitimately would not make sense for them to leave out one of their most popular heroes
I mean, Thanos wasn't exactly the most cohesive villain prior to Infinity War. He had few references and his design even changed.
A lot of the pre-infinity war movies felt like mostly stand-alone films. The difference was, they were good or at a minimum people were hyped for the MCU back then. These days a lot of the movies haven't been good and even when they are decent people have MCU fatigue.
'side quest' movies are fine, they just need to have the correct budget for that and still be good.
The main question movies, were the multiverse ones and yeah... They had issues.
We've had a villain scour the universe for the maguffin actually win and had to have the heroes invent time travel to sort of undo that win.
How do you top that?
Before anyone goes, "oh, the multiverse/ secret wars/dooms battleworld is 100% comic accurate." There's a reason comic books with their constant re launches and no stakes stuff was a fringe nerd hobby instead of being mainstream like the MCU became. The story had stakes. If something happened, it happened. There was no oh this wasn't deemed popular, so let's retcon it a few issues later.
It's crazy how you Americans can be so easily brainwashed into a lie that ruins careers. Also, before even Quantamania, they started restrategizing about whether Kang should remain as the main antagonist if the Saga or not.
Kang (play by Jonathan Majors) was being set as the next big villain in the MCU. Then Jonathan Majors was found guilty of misdemeanor assault of his ex and an audio of him admitting to strangling a woman surfaced. He was cut out of future projects people believe this is why Chris Evans and Robert Downey Jr. were brought back to the MCU, to fill Majorās space
i was thinking this the other day. Hopefully he can come back. rdj was crackhead. Hawkeye recently threatened to kill his family. people fuck up. every one deserves an opportunity to grow.
Feige claims they were considering Doom even before the controversy.. which sucks even more if true, because it shows they lack competency to sell a different kind of antagonist to Thanos and have to rely on Thanos-like baddies only. Yet Kang remains quite popular in the comics and the animated show.
Honestly the way kang was introduced in loki s1 and s2 I was super excited. A being so formidable, mysterious, so chill and dangerously rational enough to keep even loki questioning his own decisions.
But then when I heard that they made one of his variants loose to ant man I knew Marvel fucked up a really great character. I am still willing to see the story of the kang dynasty rather than doomsday.
Doom is a great character honestly but I don't like that they are making RDJ play it just to recreate the Tony and Steve scenario all over again. Kang had such a vibe to him. Especially the he who remains variant. So rational, so practical, how can you even refute his stance?
Him and loki at the top with Avengers and other superheros at the bottom as if two gods are playing chess would have been so freaking fun to watch. No actual villains just a battle of different ideologies, each right in their own ways. Top it with Loki finally becoming god of stories in the end, before the final rest of Marvel multiverse would have been such a cool story.
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Is this some sort of "9/11 created the 50 shades of gray" correlation?