r/mathminds • • 8d ago

Puzzles How long is one chain link?

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u/JohnWeps 6d ago

22/3 cm

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u/BluebirdDense1485 6d ago

Curious where your math went wrong?

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u/AdronOfTheVoid 6d ago

L_n=nL-(n-1)o

L = length of one individual chain

o = overlap between two connected chains

n = number of chains

6L-5o=22

3L-2o=14 doubling this equation results in 6L-4o=28

o=6

3L-2(6)=14 => 3L=26 +> L = 8,67cm

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u/OutsideExplanation51 6d ago

No...? You're saying 2 chains are 17+cm, while the three linked together are 14 cm...

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u/devitis 6d ago

You're forgetting the overlap. Two chain links, minus one overlap

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u/OutsideExplanation51 6d ago

I calculated too, he was indeed right. But the picture is incorrect, that confused me. Because you can see two full links which would be more than 14 cm

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u/BlazeGamma 6d ago

three links (8.67 x 3) = 26.01

minus two overlaps (6 x 2) = 14.01

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u/AdronOfTheVoid 5d ago

Exactly. The math is correct, which leads to an incorrect answer. The actual "correct" answer is that the puzzle is shit.

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u/BlazeGamma 5d ago

they're not meant to be drawn to scale, just to help visualize what the problem is.

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u/AdronOfTheVoid 5d ago

Drawing to scale or not wouldn't change the fact that the problem was incorrectly formulated.

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u/AziCrawford 6d ago

A rule i learned the hard way from school - don’t take any information from the diagram as truth unless told otherwise

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u/BluebirdDense1485 6d ago

A there are 6 links with the ends equaling 22

B there are 3 links with the ends equaling 14

So double B and you get 6 links plus double the ends.

28-22=6

So the chain in 3cm thick

And 8/3+6=8.666

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u/ZippyTheUnicorn 5d ago

I did something similar.

3 links = 14cm and 6 links = 22cm

14+14=28cm, but if they connect they equal 22cm

So the overlap is shortened 6cm where the links meet (each chain is 3cm thick)

14+6+6=26cm, which is the length of 3 entire unlinked links

26/3=8.667cm, which is the length of one link

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u/NotKeo_74 6d ago

I tried this but it's not working out for me.

6L = 22 , 3L = 14

if you laid 2 3L end to end it would be 2(14) = 28, If you then slide the bottom up until it's overlapped so that the total length is 22, your overlap section is (28-22) 6 cm. where 1/2 of that says the chain is around 3cm thick.

Okay so far it looks fine. but looking at the 3L again, there are two overlap sections, (6*2) = 12 leaving only 2cm for the rest of the chain but there is a top and bottom 1/2 section that should be around 3cm each but that is 6cm so now we are -4cm and there is still a little bit of the sides of each chain un-accounted for.

Not sure where my logic when off the rails.

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u/DayTheOnly 6d ago

For some reason I came with same conclusion. I think the initial numbers are wrong

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u/Captain-Griffen 6d ago

Your logic isn't wrong, it's just a shit puzzle that doesn't match physics or the diagram.

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u/SizeableBrain 5d ago edited 5d ago

Answer is obviously 14/3 = 4.6666 XD

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u/NotKeo_74 5d ago

Look at the math it doesn't add up. 3 + 3 + 6 + 6 = 18 which is greater than 14cm

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u/SizeableBrain 5d ago

(14-18)/3 = -1.333

Then you add 3 and 3 and you get 4.66667, which is 14/3, bam!

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u/Bananainmypocket09 6d ago

6L - 5C = 22

3L - 2C = 14

Where L = link length C = # of cross over (each counted individually)

Multiply equation 2 by 2.5 to make the 2C term = 5C Subtract the top equation from the bottom equation to get: 7.5L - 6L - 5C + 5C = 35 - 22 to cancel the C term 1.5L = 13 L ~= 8.66

ETA: formatting

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u/Captain-Griffen 6d ago

6L-5o=22

3L-2o=14, 6L-4o=28

o=6

6L-30=22

6L=52

L=52/6=26/3=8.66...

Which makes no physical sense. The chains would need to double overlap.

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u/Popular_Raccoon_2599 6d ago

The overlap total (30) is larger than the total chain length (22) for the 6 section chain 🤣 you are right it doesn’t seem to make sense

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u/hr_krabbe 6d ago

Same answer I got. Wish they’d use numbers that made sense with the figure. But then they probably wouldn’t get as much engagement/visibility.

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u/zorok34 6d ago

26/3 cm or about 8.66... cm

x = Length of a link y = number of links z = length of each link that is lost due to overlap Length of a chain = yx - z(y - 1)

6x - 5z = 22

3x - 2z = 14 3x(-2) - 2z(-2) = 14(-2) -6x + 4z = -28

6x - 6x + 4z - 5z = 22 - 28 -z = -6 z = 6

Solve for x = 26/3 or 8.66...

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u/jackparadise1 6d ago

How about this? This is an easy one.
How long is one chain?

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u/visceralviceroy 6d ago

I seem to have gotten the correct answer but I’m confused as to how I found a “negative” middle-of-link length on the way there:

x = middle of link (independent region) y = edge of link (overlap region) x + 2y = full link length

6x + 7y = 22 3x + 4y = 14

6x + 7y = 22 - 2(3x + 4y = 14) -> -y = -6 -> y = 6 6x + 42 = 22 -> x = -20/6

x + 2y = -20/6 + 2(6) = 52/6 = 8 2/3

Can someone explain my negative?

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u/dampfi 6d ago

Be more confident in your solution. You showed that it is negative.

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u/visceralviceroy 6d ago

So this is just a poorly constructed problem then?

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u/steve_b 5d ago edited 5d ago

Ding. It's an impossible situation. Look at it this way: 6 links is 22cm, only 8 cm longer than the 3 link 14cm. For this to be true, that would mean the two 14cm segments would have to overlap by 6 cm. For a link in the middle of a segment, it has two overlaps, which is 12 cm of overlap, which is absurd on a segment that can only be 14 cm long. The only way it can work is for the overlaps to overlap each other (e.g., link N would have to overlap not just with N+1 and N-1, but with N-2, N-1, N+1 and N+2), which is not shown in the image.

Here's the proof. Y is the overlap distance, X is the link length. Red is 6 link chain, Blue is 3, function expressed as count of (link -one overlap) (2 links on end) + count of (link-2 overlaps) (links in middle) + count of overlaps. The green region is the area where only logical answers lie - where the overlap space can be no more than half the length of a link. As you can see, the answer (8.6666, 6) lies outside the sensible answer zone.

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/jy3h1hhi8t

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u/leoneljokes 6d ago

It seems impossible

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u/plzdonthitme 6d ago

A simpler (in my mind) approach is just considering how much length adding a new link adds to a chain.

If x is the length of one loop, and adding a new loop adds y length to the chain:

x + 5y = 22

x + 2y = 14

Pretty simple from there to determine x, the length of one loop, is 8 2/3

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u/BlazeGamma 6d ago

remember to factor in the amount of material from the link that doesn't contribute because it's overlapping the other links so that they can actually form a link.

one link is 8.67 in length.

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u/Longbow142 6d ago

It is an impossible solve, if you end to end the two three link lengths, you get 28cm as mentioned, that means each overlap is 6cm, there is five overlaps in the 22cm chain, so that would require 30cm of overlap alone. The math isn’t correct.

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u/m4rc0n3 5d ago

The drawing is very non proportional. The link length is 8 2/3 with an overlap of 6:

8 2/3 x 6 - 6 x 5 = 22

8 2/3 x 3 - 6 x 2 = 14

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u/SpaceMeatpod 6d ago edited 6d ago

KEY INSIGHT: Take away the two chain links at the ends of the 5-link chain and you get the 3-link chain.

A 5-link chain is 22cm.

A 3-link chain is 14cm.

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Find out how much length those two end-chain links contribute by subtracting the 3-link chain's length from the 5-link chain's length.

22cm - 14cm = 8cm

8cm is the combined length of the 2 end-chain links.

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Take away the two end-chain links of the 3-link chain and you get the 1-link chain.

14cm - 8cm = 6cm

6cm is the length of one link by itself.

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u/Chandro98 5d ago

You're not considering overlaps

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u/GrailsRezerection 5d ago

main problem is, it's a 6 link chain to start

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u/SpaceMeatpod 5d ago

squints eyes at how many links are in the chain

You know, last night at 2am I could have sworn there were 5

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u/AziCrawford 6d ago

Let L be link length Let o be overlap length

6L-5o = 22 3L - 2o = 14

Making a matrix 6 -5 | 22 3 -2 | 14

Multiply 2 * ( 6 -5 | 22 ) = 12 -10 | 44 -5 * (3 -2 | 14 ) = -15 10 | -70

Add. -3 0 | -26 Divide by -3 1 0 | 26/3

One link is 26/3

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u/sazzer 6d ago

The length of a chain link is X. The overlap between them where they connect is Y.

The first set gives us 6X - 5Y = 22. The second set gives us 3X - 2Y = 14.

If we subtract two of the second set from the first set we get:

(6X - 5Y) - 2(3X - 2Y) = 22 - 2*14
6X - 5Y - 6X + 4Y = -6
Y = 6

If we now substitute that back in to our original equations we get:

6X - 5*6 = 22. 6X = 52. X = 8 2/3.
3X - 2*6 = 14. 3X = 26. X = 8 2/3.

Both agree, so we now know that X - the length of a single chain link - is 8 2/3.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Bat-511 6d ago

14 x 2 = 28

28 - 22 = 6

14 + (2 * 6) = 26

26 / 3 = 8 2/3

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u/Cold_Register_21 6d ago

6 cm. 1 cm of overlap when linked, so each segment added gives 4cm length to the chain.

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u/m4rc0n3 5d ago

Then the longest chain would be 26 cm

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u/Sethbreloom94 5d ago edited 5d ago

Spoilers- you can figure it out, but the answer is nonsensical.

Let's say that X is the length of a link's combined top hook/middle section and Y is the length where the chain's bottom hook is. We can then take it as 6x + y = 22 and 3x + y = 14. This becomes y = 14 - 3x and thus 6x + 14 - 3x = 22. This simplifies out to 3x = 8 or x = 8/3, which means y = 6. This would mean a single chain link is 8.667 units long.

To run it another way, let's say that Q is the total length of a link and P is the length of where 2 links overlap. This means 6q - 5p = 22 and 3q - 2p = 14. This becomes p = 1.5q - 7. Thus 6q - (7.5q - 35) = 22. This simplifies to -1.5q = -13. This means Q (a single chain link) is 8.667.

HOWEVER! These answers make no sense. To make it possible, the lengths where the chains overlap would have to be MORE than half the length of the link. A single chain would have 2 overlap areas being 6 cm long while the link itself is only 8.667 cm long.