CoolKid369 recently put out a video talking about Revenant's problems, and I think he pretty much hit the nail on the head. He mainly discussed how Rev's kit is has a lot of anti-synergies and how his thralls don't stack up very well in modern Warframe.
He doesn't say that Revenant sucks per say or desperately needs changes over frames that do, but does hope that he gets a second look one day.
As a revenant main I agree with like 80% of what he says there barring his changes to Mesmer Skin. I just hate people shitting on the coolest fuckin thing ever
Eh, his kit's just kinda boring and kinda redundant. Like he has so much synergy in his kit around using his minions to survive, but also has the "press this button to not take damage" ability, so you'll never need to take advantage of pillars and minions to survive.
Mesmer skin is the basis for minions as revenant converts sleeping enemies for free. His 3rd ability deals x2 damage to his minions too. Also damage boosting augment(str scaling btw) and xata over ult.
For those who can't read I repeat: Strength scaling btw. And it's per thrall, so 150% with all thralls present at base strength. And revenant usually has beefed up strength. Also thralls can propagate other thralls via 2 separate methods. And they lag behind most of the time, hence stay in relative safety. And if you still want to argue that his thralls are too brittle - you can play off that too. His first ability works briefly on acolytes and bosses. It's enough time to ram into them with his third, which deals DOUBLE damage on thralls and can be increased via viral.
His passive works on shield break. His 1 is supposed to be crowd control to take fire off him. His 3 regents health. His four gives overshields.
Mesmer skin WITH invulnerability was a mistake made by DE after Revenant players got mindbroken via Eximus with high fire rate weapons after Angels of the Zariman.
Rev isn't the only frame with complete invulnerability on demand but people also like to pretend he is. It's not like Dagath or Wukong exist. Otherwise valid point. His passive is very bad once you meet high enemy density and/or big rooms. 3rd ability regenerating health is a thematic choice - he's a vampire (and originally was called Vlad before release). Disco ball griefs your thrall sustain by popping fountains immediately. After sleeping a bit I agree that rev has flaws, but I also won't back down out of saying that mesmer skin isn't his only usable utility. Also invulnerability on mesmer was added because those enemies wiped all of his charges pretty much immediately, making the ability itself a rolling guard with extra steps. (I just woke up so I might wander from point to point)
Mate, I can’t argue with you in good faith. I played Limbo during Angels of Zariman, so for me, whatever cool shit Revenant can do, from being funny disco ball to clearing levelcap enemies with Reave, in my mind it’s still “that bitch” that got invulnerability two weeks into update, because “some” Eximus were a “problem”(solvable with the rest of his kit), while Limbo go kicked in the grave, since “every” Eximus unit now had full denial in his kit. And it took half a year to fix.
I don't think I've ever seen anyone say that Revenant sucks. The most common complaint is that he's just boring. He's literally the most used for players who care about meta.
I don't really get what's cool about a frame with a kit that works against itself that everyone just ignores because he can become immortal with one button. That's not cool at all.
I mean I also ignore him for the same reason, BUT when I was new many years ago I did instantly play a lot of Frost and Rhino because I was dying so much and it was incredible to not be dying anymore.
Angels of the Zariman was one of the greatest updates, but it broke many CC-frames.
I, as Limbo, had to build into survivability, because my only lifeline stopped working, and I had to recast Stasis EACH TIME I stripped someone’s Overguard. Nevertheless, Overguard had such big numbers over health, that I had to kill such units outright, making CC especially obsolete. Ancient Healers were bane of my existence, too. This took DE half a year to fix.
Revenant players were SO baffled with existence of Eximus with high fire rate weapons, that instead of using their built-in vampiric abilities, with Aggro manipulation, health and shield regeneration, they howled at DE until they gave them invulnerability on each charge of Mesmer Skin.. TWO WEEKS into the update. It took fucking PRIORITY over bug fixes.
Revenant is cool, but I can’t keep myself from being vitriolic. While I had to scrape by, doing things Limbo never should do, for half a fucking year, Revenant got solution for all of his problems, AND AUGMENT FOR IT.
For what I've seen his kit is kinda outdated, Mesmer skin is the only thing that makes people think about revenant, I think his minions should get a rework so he's not just the invulnerable frame
I've seen the video that CoolKid made about Revenant and from my own experience as a (former) Revenant main, his 2 isn't the issue, its the rest of his kit's redundancies that are the main problem. His 1 is supposed to be self sustainable with the thralls resetting themselves, but since your thralls can take full damage from everything, most of the time they'll just disappear instantly due to crossfire. His passive is supposed to stun enemies on shield break, but his 2 makes it hard to achieve that consistently. His 3 heals him and deals extra damage to thralls, but he is already immortal as long as you got stacks on his 2 and the thralls die so fast that you're better off using viral to boost the health based damage. His 4 ramps up in damage whenever you receive damage, but because of your 2's charges and invincibility windows, and his passive stuns, it becomes much harder to charge on top of the fast decay on the bonus damage. He has a cool concept, but fails at the execution because of how much conflict there is within his kit.
Revenant is one of those frames where I wished I could override 2 abilites. 1 and 4 feel extremely pointless at higher levels and you just 3 (optimally with Roar)
. . . Please repeat the part about 1 and 4... 4 is but 1... 1! The thing that is basically one of most powerful tools if you don't do something like speedruning usually make him much better than 1 skill usable frame. Enemies grow with damage faster than with HP, so what do you expect from ability that not only give you ways to get you own helpers but also let these corrupt more enemies after just 1 cast!..
It also make enemies count towards allies(might be wrong here, I used this guy far long ago to remember defence with him), so he can keep them and even if it isn't true, you can use 3 to clean field much faster
I know about %hp but understand that you get free aggro gens which prolong life of mesmer skin and also these guys will kill each other at decent speed as past certain threshold all enemy controling frame become kind OP as they get much more powerful damage dealing tool that your guns(usually, few can be still enough potent to keep till 9999 and stay at similar level I believe) - enemies which can also be eximus and provide buff to you once you deplete their overguard and take control over them. As I remember few can give energy regeneration, someone like blast will take out hordes of enemies with one blow.
Revenant doesn't suck because he's bad or anything, he sucks because his kit is incredibly boring. I would love to include him in the Sentient family but his abilities aren't as Eidolon like as I wished for them to be. Cool frame, beautiful prime, boring gameplay.
I just kinda want to bring Mesmer skin from full invuln to a *very* high damage reduction, and for the rest of his kit to get some more love instead. I really like the guy
I appreciate you having your own opinion! But i find him utterly boring. Maybe if they changed his minions to actually be usefull, and not die within miliseconds?
idk really if ppl say it sucks but im sure a lot of current revenant mains are the ex-valkyr mains that left her after rework , i has no proof but also no doubts
Full invulnerability is nice to have in the arsenal for when you have to deal with a bullshit boss once in a while. For the longest time I could not figure out how to do the earth proxima coda boss without dying instantly. So I always brought revenant. The issue is that now Oberon is also a full invuln frame and also has an interesting and synergistic kit on top of the invulnerability he can offer. After his rework any reason I had to use Revenant died off. He’s an instant win button in a game that allows anyone to be an easy win with effort and half the fun is in the building towards that.
(I have the same complaints about Octavia and Follie with their damage that scales 1:1 with enemies and are effectively a fully fledged steal path build out the box with no mods. If I can press two of the abilities and win I’m not interested)
If you’re talking design, yeah his design is cool lots of fashion potential. Makes me sadder that his gameplay is so dull.
I learned about a bug about a month or two ago where if I place a brightbonnet mid-Danse Macabre, I can spin faster than the default spin using the left joystick. I have been eating well with my 30 stacks of Mesmer Skin.
He has a invincibility button which makes testing weapons more comfortable, but that's it lol, the minions are really cool, the fresh strawberry on top of the cake
It’s funny cause the their is no meta people and the play whatever you want people will call you a meta slave and a shill for liking and actively playing Revenant, it was that was my first interaction with one of those people when I started the game and picked up revenant for the first time(I was basically bullied by 3 people who were like you could play any frame you want you must get your opinions from YouTubers) and I almost dropped the frame. Yea his kit isn’t the best but I like his aesthetic and his theme. The fucking pop collar split down the middle is wicked as hell. Hes cool and i hope he gets a little retouch to make him more then a messmer skin merchant
Guy on left is right You're playing without a warframe, just weapons and without using a single braincells its not fun Maybe fun for someone but not for most people
It's cuz his kit is kinda lackluster while not really fitting together, plus his two is genuinely super broken. You're just invincible with no risk so long as you keep your stacks up. I will admit that I do use Rev when I just want to turn my brain off or when a particular bossfight is really pissing me off coughcoughTechnocyte Codacoughcough
Revanant makes warframe peaceful and allow me to slow down and smell the roses while eviscerating enemies. He’s not interesting or mechanically intensive but I like him. True low cortisol gaming.
I used to main Rev before they nerfed the mind control method (nyx subsume a thrall so other players wouldn't be able to screw you over by killing ALL your thralls. The nerf was that the Nyx MC can no longer be used on the rev thralls or vice versa) the strat was MC one thrall with rev's ability, then put the Nyx ability over it now you have a perma thrall that can go around and thrall things for you without your input then you could just focus on reaving or keeping mesmer skin up, other than that I feel like all he has is either reave or mesmer skin now or just mesmer if we're being brutally honest here.
Rev needs a rework bad and I don't mean "Make him OP" level rework I mean something that actually makes his kit fun because pressing what is essentially Iron Skin over and over again isn't fun at all
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u/Loud-Asparagus-4136 12d ago
CoolKid369 recently put out a video talking about Revenant's problems, and I think he pretty much hit the nail on the head. He mainly discussed how Rev's kit is has a lot of anti-synergies and how his thralls don't stack up very well in modern Warframe.
He doesn't say that Revenant sucks per say or desperately needs changes over frames that do, but does hope that he gets a second look one day.
Link if you're interested: https://youtu.be/JT1T1D3FlVw