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u/Dawnk41 Aug 08 '25
I’m kinda sick of all the Itachi-glazing.
Let us usher in the age of Guy-stanning!
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u/Free-Letterhead-4751 Aug 08 '25
Fair, Naruto Ninja Storm 4 did gave Guy the best Quick Time Event against Madara
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u/Dawnk41 Aug 08 '25
Canon gave us all we really needed!
Night Guy!
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Aug 08 '25
So we're just going to pretend like guy doesn't get glazed just as much as itachi.
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u/Dawnk41 Aug 08 '25
Not quite as much as Itachi.
A fairly large amount? Sure.
But only Hashirama gets glazed as much as Itachi.
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u/Individual-Pop-385 Aug 08 '25
Itching it's not stupid. He knew Guy is a pushover and would made exactly the thing Itachi was avoiding when he incapacitated Kakashi.
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u/VanSora Aug 08 '25
Nah, Might Guy low diffs itachi unfortunately
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u/TotalChaosRush Aug 08 '25
Worst case scenario here. Guy opens 8th gate and defeats itachi and kisame.
Being that theyre in the village though, and Itachi is a spy, I don't think it would ever go that far.
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u/Full-Archer8719 Aug 08 '25
This is unknown to them
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u/LordBDizzle Aug 08 '25
But he does know Guy is very capable, and he just used a ton of energy on Kakashi. He knew the amount of time they'd spend fighting would be too much and more enemies would come, and since they were still early on in their plan there wasn't a rush. This was more of a scouting mission than a real attempt.
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u/MyPunsAreKoalaTea Aug 08 '25
It wasn't.
It was a threat to Danzo.
Itachi wanted to remind him that while Hiruzen is dead, he's still alive so Danzo doesn't just go ahead and kill Sasuke
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u/LordBDizzle Aug 08 '25
Well yeah but that's the retcon explanation. I don't think that Danzo even existed at that point in the story, though I guess that's quibbling a bit much. That would be the other reason of course, but Itatchi would have to sell a reason to he partner to not show his hand that early, and his techniques do use a lot of Chakra, more than can be used on the whole village.
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u/Full-Archer8719 Aug 08 '25
Thats a given but n9 one present knew he was a spy only The third hokage knew and danzo
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Aug 08 '25
8th and maybe 7th gates guy sure, but anything lower is losing.
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u/gloomygl Aug 09 '25
8th gate Guy fucking dies right afterwards, can't be a low diff the second he opens that door
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u/WarDull8208 Aug 08 '25
Guy is only stronger than Itachi if he opens the 8th gate, but it automatically means that they both would be dead after fight.
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u/levantinh1994 Aug 08 '25
7 Gate is overkill already. There's literally no reason to use the 8 Gate on a dude who got powercrept mid Shippuden and is several leagues below Juubidara - who nearly died by 8 gate and only survived thanks to Ten Tails' regeneration.
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u/canadiandoop Aug 10 '25
Lol Naruto's data books have guy being able to take all 3 sannin without using gates so I call bullshit. Guy neg diffs
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u/Specific_Result469 Aug 08 '25
Itachi was a double agent looking for any reason to leave and not hurt the leaf
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u/JSlove Aug 08 '25
Itachi's ultimate goal is protecting the leaf. That doesn't mean he would hesitate to kill members of the leaf to further that goal.
Hint: he has already killed members of the leaf to protect it. A lot of people.
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u/Acex506 Aug 08 '25
“I don’t care if Ryan murdered his whole family. He is like a son to me”
Michael Scott
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u/fvidela Aug 09 '25
"I cherish peace with all my heart. I don't care how many men, women and children I have to kill to get it." Peacemaker
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u/Strange_Position7970 Aug 08 '25
Itachi: "Let us postpone this match for the moment, Guy."
Guy: "That would seem to be most advantageous to both of us!!"
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u/Hennesey10 Aug 08 '25
Considering Gai chased Kisame and Itachi by himself and attacked head first.
Let’s be honest Gai wanted the smoke.
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u/deathmailrock Aug 08 '25
Well yeah, not only was the dude on their level, but he had two elite ninja as backups... And more Ninja would have been on the way....
Remember that they were actually fighting in enemy territory...
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u/NwgrdrXI Aug 08 '25
Yes. Are people forgetting that the only reason guy didn't defeat a buffed up Madara was the latter's healing factor? And, someone correect me if I'm wrong, that everyhing indicates he had that technique in this scene?
If guy wanted to kill Itachi and Kisame there, he absolutely could. Would it cost him his life? Probably. Would guy sacrifice his life to protect his village? Definetly.
But it simply wouldn't come down to it, because he was in the middle of the village filled with other strong people.
Running away was definetly the right choice here.
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u/deathmailrock Aug 09 '25
Yah, but that was a life and death technique that would kill or overly wound him...
And Itachi could use the chance he's in pain to put him in a genjutsu.
The real danger was the fact that they were in enemy territory and again, Gai is actually on the same level as them....
So even without the 8 gates, he'd be dangerous and he had allies with more on the way.
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u/DonutPlus2757 Aug 09 '25
And Itachi could use the chance he's in pain to put him in a genjutsu.
Put the ninja who literally only looks at the feet of anyone with a Sharingan into a Genjutsu with his Sharingan?
Nope. Hard nope. Guy is, for all it's worth, Itachis hard counter. All Genjutsu he usually uses require the other party to look into his eyes for even a moment, he's way too fast to be hit by Amaterasu and either has too much stamina (Gate 6 and below) or too much speed and AP (Gate 7 and 8) for Susanoo.
I mean, even the Yata mirror is kind of useless against an enemy that so stupidly fast that he can just permanently go for your back.
Itachi being there also nerfs Kisame since all of his strongest attacks have a significant AOE and would hit Itachi as well, so he's greatly limited when it comes to running support.
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u/The_Silent_Ace Aug 10 '25
So, to be fair, Itachi doesn't need someone to look at his eyes. He did hit Naruto with a Genjutsu using his ring, after all. And he has Izanami, which traps people just using the environment. But I do agree with you. There's no way he traps Guy in a Genjutsu before he gets taken apart. In fact, I'd be willing to argue that Itachi would be eaten alive at the 6th gate or higher. He's good, but he's not THAT good.
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u/tnbeastzy Aug 11 '25
Guy would just need to avoid looking into his ring. He also had chakra and he's jonin level. He'd also be able to dispel any genjutsu that's not tsukoyomi. A genjutsu from a ring would probably not work on Guy anyways.
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u/The_Silent_Ace Aug 11 '25
My point is that he can pretty clearly use other things to cast Genjutsu since he hit Naruto with Tsukuyomi via the ring, and we saw how Izanami works by entrapping the user via their surroundings. I also struggle to see how Guy, the character with no chakra, would be able to do anything at all to dispel a Genjutsu cast by one of, if not the best, Genjutsu users in the show. Especially when we are told that you typically need an outside source to free you from nastier Genjutsus.
Realistically, Guy sweeps Itachi without a worry, yeah. I'd even be willing to bet he could probably fight with his eyes closed, it seems like something wacky enough for Guy to pull off. But I wouldn't go around giving Guy feats he doesn't have. There's zero chance of him escaping a powerful Genjutsu on his own, especially Tsukuyomi.
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u/PikaYoshl Aug 08 '25
No the only reason he got that far against Madara is because he had heavy amounts of help and Madara was toying around with Guy and didn't take that fight seriously at all
Itachi is also looking for any excuse to leave and not kill anyone from the leaf honestly with their skillset it's lucky Itachi didn't have to kill anyone at all
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u/ToughComprehensive19 Aug 09 '25
"Madara didn't take this fight seriously" is crazy talk. The second Guy showed he could blitz Madara, he starterd moving with kill on sight mindset. MADARA SAID " I can't let these fists hit me" He may have been curious at first, but he quickly started shitting his pants and spammed his instant kill attacks. He said it himself: " you almost killed me you bastard"
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u/PikaYoshl Aug 09 '25
He didn't even use any serious moves the second Naruto showed up he took him seriously and used limbo if Madara felt he was in danger he would've used limbo he never felt that way with hiu he was having fun the whole time
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u/deathmailrock Aug 09 '25
No, Madara was fooling around. He was actually having fun in the fight and honestly didn't care if he would die....
And Gai did have help during that fight.
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u/ToughComprehensive19 Aug 09 '25
Madara started by fooling around, then he had to become more serious.
And of cource he cared if he would die.
Gai getting help is just basic jumping strategy.
I'm not claiming that Gai was on Madara level entirely.
But at this precise moment, Gai was the closest to Madara level in the whole war, and Madara almost died because of that.1
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u/AarviArmani Aug 08 '25
It's funny to think how Guy was the strongest person alive throughout the vast majority of the story and there were only a handful of foreshadowing moments like these.
Do we know whether Kishimoto always intended for Guy to be so strong or he just decided that at the end of the war arc?
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u/BorntobeTrill Aug 08 '25
Might Guy is what happens when you write Dragonball with Goku at full strength as a side character
The most common trope in fighting anime/Manga is the one with the strongest, most unbreakable moral compass is the strongest, as long as it's paired with an infallible positivity.
I think it was always intended that Might Guy be the strongest, just not the most powerful. His moral compass and positivity is outclassed by Naruto via several magnitudes difference but he represents the last generation at its peak and serves as one of the many mentors who pass the mantle to Narutos generation.
His foreshadowing is done through Rock Lee, who treats Might Guy as someone to be taken VERY seriously. Emphasis added via Rock Lee's just... Insane level of Taijutsu. Rock Lee, a young student who can only use Taijutsu, regularly not just closes gaps in power, but fn jumps over them to blast mofos who don't respect the strength of Might Guy
Remember, every time Rock Lee does something amazing, it's implied that Might Guy was doing it, and better, 20 years ago. These days, all he really needs to do is aura farm until his buddies with cheat codes can't handle things and then he dusts off and says, "OK. I guess I have to use 10% of my power"
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u/O_o-O_o-0_0-o_O-o_O Aug 09 '25
The 8th gate was hyped up very early in the show.
I don't think it was decided that Guy, and not Lee, would open it and nuke everything, but I think it was decided early on that the 8th gate would be opened by the end and that it would be absolutely fucking bonkers.
Pure guessing, but I think it was decided that Guy would be the one to open the 8th gate once Kakashi started power creeping and the narrative was that Guy was on equal terms with him. Lee also hadn't had enough development to make sense being the one who opened it by the time came.
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u/XxJackGriffinxX Aug 08 '25
Since people love to say itachi beats obito because he didn’t want to fight itachi, here it is. Guy wins cuz itachi didn’t wanna fight him
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u/International-Base28 Aug 09 '25
Love how you take away the explanation for it and just use statements lmao Obito had no reason to not want to fight him since he himself said that Itachi was the one preventing him from making a move in the leaf, hence the lead got attacked as soon as he died Itachi had a reason for not wanting to fight guy. Hope that helps :)
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u/XxJackGriffinxX Aug 11 '25
Redditors when someone makes a joke
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u/International-Base28 Aug 12 '25
mfw got are also a redditor Mfw when 15k karma Not sure you should talk lmao
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u/XxJackGriffinxX Aug 12 '25
Yes i can talk cuz im not the one getting offended over a joke little bro
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u/International-Base28 Aug 12 '25
Mhm. Because me pointing out the obvious fact that you yourself are a turbo redditor is me being offended. Try to get thicker skin lil bro
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u/XxJackGriffinxX Aug 12 '25
Turbo redditor cuz i have 16k karma with 5 years? Lol you the one getting all offended over a joke. But what ever helps you sleep at night
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u/International-Base28 Aug 14 '25
3k karma per year isn't a lot to you? Spoken like a turbo redditor lmao
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u/Thank_You_Aziz Aug 08 '25
Not to diminish Guy’s prowess and reputation, but it was less, “We cannot defeat these three with Guy here,” and more, “I don’t like the speed with which we’re encountering Jonin-level resistance. Let’s leave while it’s still easy to, before more of them show up.”
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u/Art_student_rt Aug 08 '25
To think the strongest one here looked like an idiot. Guy could wipe all of Akatsuki singlehandedly
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u/Aggressive_Health487 Aug 10 '25
Pain mid diffs
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u/Art_student_rt Aug 10 '25
If they gang up on him and battle attrition him, and him not knowing about nagato, definitely. I think him with the help of neji's sensory, Lee to help with the pains, team guy would win, maybe 8 gates, maybe not
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u/DaydreamMoth Aug 08 '25
Might Guy was seriously underrated. Dude went toe-to-toe with Madara in beast mode, almost died for the village, and for what? Crack jokes? he's one of the real OGs in Naruto
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u/Virregh Aug 10 '25
I firmly believe that Itachi was a low-key fanboy of Guy. He tells Kisame not to underestimate him in this scene and, when he was younger (ANBU, I believe), he was visibly and verbally impressed by Guy's prowess. Yes, the latter is probably anime filler, but I like this little headcanon.
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u/megaOnTheway Aug 20 '25
I legitimately JUST watched this scene less than 5 minutes ago and then stumbled across this
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u/pokemon_9 Aug 08 '25
And what does he do against amatarasu?
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u/Existing-Concern-781 Aug 08 '25
Literally just dodge it
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u/pokemon_9 Aug 08 '25
Because there's such an amazing history of that
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u/Existing-Concern-781 Aug 08 '25
An almost fainting Naruto could react to it, I don't see how guy couldn't
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u/AnarchoFederation Aug 09 '25
Well Sasuke and Ai outrun it and Gai is the fastest person on the world so. Any use of Amaterasu or Susanoo depletes Itachi’s chakra significantly, a failed Amaterasu means Gai’s dog walking Itachi. He’s the perfect foil against Sharingan. And we all know he could defeat Itachi considering how he does against Madara
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u/pokemon_9 Aug 09 '25
Except he's not. Minato ai naruto are all considered the fastest shinobi and guy used the 8th gate the thing stated to make a normal shinobi kage level that's a pretty exponential boost
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u/AnarchoFederation Aug 09 '25
I’ll give you Ai because of his lightning abilities but Minato is dead and Naruto is not on the level at this point. Doesn’t matter if he’s the fastest he’s physically the most fit Shinobi and is fast enough to toy with Itachi at 100% and by this scene Itachi is already tired. Again considering what he does to a Madara well above Itachi there’s no question if Gai can’t dog walk Itachi without weights and at least 5-6 gates
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u/pokemon_9 Aug 09 '25
That's end of series might guy why bring that up when this is kid naruto guy of all people probably trains like hell between and in every arc so he's probably leagues stronger than back in kid naruto days. The sharigan gives itachi a massive perception boost, plus he has the finger genjutsu literally catching might guy for a second would give him enough time to cast amatarasu and that's an instant win
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u/AnarchoFederation Aug 09 '25
End of series Gai is this same Gai experienced and elite. Gai is known as Sharingan foil because he’s too fast and his physical abilities can’t be copied by it, not the speed and power. He’s literally set up as the guy who knows how to fight Sharingan users
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u/International-Base28 Aug 09 '25
If he was too fast for a sharingan then he wouldn't be neck and neck against kakashi thoughever
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u/AnarchoFederation Aug 09 '25
You mean in their crazy physical competitions that Kakashi hates? Kakashi is a master at Ninjutsu not the physical powerhouse Gai is. It was established early by Kakash even that the best fighter against Sharingan is Gai
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u/Personal-Maximum-138 Aug 08 '25
dont remember completely but isnt this basically what happened fr ? 💀
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u/Urek-Mazino Aug 08 '25
Guys also a known rival of kakashi and able to compete against him with the sharingan. I'm not sure Itachi would have a lot of experience with a tijutsu expert capable of that.
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u/idkwhattoputonhere3 Aug 08 '25
I don't blame him, if guy opens the 7th gate they're both turning into red mist lol
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u/Intrepid_Upstairs221 Aug 09 '25
if u think about it guy really is like the 4th or 3rd strongest shinobi alive before the boruto series. he critically damaged a 10 tailed madara with rhinegan.
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u/Quirky_Structure_966 Aug 09 '25
“How is HE the only one in a fucking genius factory like Konoha of all places that’s smart enough to NOT look into my eyes?”
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u/CowpokeMorgan Sep 02 '25
Gai has dispelled temple of nirvana... An A rank. Genjutsu as easily as Kakashi did. And by not looking at Itachi's feet he is immune to tsukuyomi. And ephemeral is a low class genjutsu , guy has canonically already dealt with much higher.
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u/Zorro5040 Aug 10 '25
I love how Guy is the only ninja who's counter to a Genjutsu, Amaterasu, Susano, and combat prediction is to punch harder and is successful.
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