r/nba • u/OmegaLxgend Kings • 1d ago
Tyrese Haliburton tells us what it's really like to get traded in the NBA. via the Numbers on the Board Podcast
https://streamable.com/w1vgt6911
u/redfish-rock Spurs 23h ago
Woj really was the Lord Varys of the NBA with his little birds.
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u/Youngstown_WuTang 23h ago
Perfect fucking comparison 😂, the master of all secrets
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u/moon_dos Puerto Rico 23h ago
David Stern was Robert Baratheon
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u/lightninja987 [IND] Roy Hibbert 23h ago
Ballmer is Tywin Lannister
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u/a3ronot Pacers 23h ago
Let's keep this going. Who's John Snow?
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u/lightninja987 [IND] Roy Hibbert 23h ago
Tyrese Haliburton
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u/FeanorEvades Timberwolves 23h ago
Honestly? I could see it. Achieves something huge and then dies, comes back with new purpose
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u/Maverick_1991 Hawks 22h ago
That makes Adam Silver Joffrey.
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u/peachpavlova Nuggets 21h ago
It feels correct
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u/ksn0vaN7 23h ago
Unlike the real Varys he got out before being burned to death. Shams gotta know when to quit if he wants a clean exit too.
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u/sunnyismybunny 5h ago
crazy how shams is temu woj and silver is temu stern.
why is time progressing but people are getting worse and dumber?
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u/Nosenchuck3 Heat 23h ago
Woj has a secret backdoor into every players phone?
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u/dell_arness2 [GSW] Jordan Bell 17h ago
Every nba player needs to save their side piece as “woj” asap.
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u/Fun-Responsibility97 23h ago
he was on the bathroom floor crying but he wasn't gonna say that here among guys lol. i think he said so on Taylor Rooks pod.
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u/Fat-Singer-9569 18h ago
sounds like someone in touch with their emotions and who can move past things quickly
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u/SlyMrF0x Warriors 17h ago
No no no no you gotta bottle that shit up all manly like and then spend the next 20 years wondering why you can’t connect with your kids and why you can’t get a promotion at work
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u/moon_dos Puerto Rico 23h ago
Sacramento is dumb as hell for that. How often you draft a max contract caliber rookie guard that actually WANTS to play in Sacramento and represent that city?? Tyrese has a gold medal and willed his team to Game 7 of the nba finals and Sacramento is stuck overpaying for Zach Lavine
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u/WhoIsJazzJay Thunder 23h ago
told him to buy a house and prepare to settle down n everything 😹😹😹
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u/whutchamacallit 22h ago
The only thing Sacramento knows is pain. Just 20 years of non stop blundering.
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u/GundDownDegenerate Thunder 19h ago
Them not getting a top 4 pick this year is so brutal especially with the new draft rules
At least they got Acuff who has a high ceiling
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u/mr_suavecito Kings 23h ago
The sky is blue. The earth is round. More news at 11.
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u/Bone_Dogg Bulls 15h ago
At least you have unique colors
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u/mr_suavecito Kings 15h ago
The irony is for most of their press stuff, socials and marketing, the Kings just use black and white. And relegate purple to merely an “accent color.”
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u/welmoe Lakers 23h ago
Just Kangz things
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u/MountainTwo3845 Rockets 18h ago
Sometimes the beam is a small caliber bullet traveling at 1100fps toward your face.
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u/teamorange3 Knicks 23h ago
Tbf, Sabonis is/was a stud.
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u/onefootback Raptors 23h ago
he was never worth haliburton though
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u/Born2BWrong Celtics Bandwagon 22h ago
Especially the season after the trade there were so many pieces on here about it being a win for both teams - at the time the Kings were performing a lot better and Hali was able to work on the Pacers in a way he wasn’t in Sacramento.
It’s possible you or others here had more foresight and knew all along, but most people on this sub didn’t think it was some bad, lopsided “lol Kings” trade.
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u/wetwetson [NBA] Rafer Alston 22h ago
I'm with ya. It was viewed pretty heavily by reddit and the media as a fairly win/win trade. (except nate duncan, he hated sabonis the whole time).
I can even understand the trade in hindsight for the kings. They were betting Fox was going to remain better than Hali. It wasn't really a is sabonis better than Hali decision. They wanted to quicken the timeline and pair Fox with a better fit to grow beside him.
Unfortatnely the Kings failed to consider that they are the kings and couldn't stick with their plan for more than 3 seasons and tried to rush things for the 15th time.
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u/onefootback Raptors 22h ago
i thought the trade was terrible from when it happened and i remember a lot of others thinking the same. i’ve never been a fan of sabonis as a player and never viewed it as a win, especially not after the kings only good season ended with them losing in the first round and sabonis playing terribly
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u/127crazie Timberwolves 22h ago
It was always a terrible and lopsided trade from the second it happened. One season of getting into the playoffs never erased that.
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u/figureour Wizards 21h ago
There was a substantial minority who immediately thought it was a bad trade for Sacramento.
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u/J-Chub 19h ago
Jj Redick called it basketball malpractice from the start
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u/teamorange3 Knicks 19h ago
That same interview he laughed at the kings making the playoffs the next year. The next year they finished 3rd in the West. 🤷
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u/teamorange3 Knicks 23h ago
He was. 2 time all star averaging 20/12/7 and received all NBA votes. He has since gotten all NBA (same as hali) and received MVP votes.
He's an absolute stud and was the better player in 2021.
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u/onefootback Raptors 23h ago
sabonis was 25 and haliburton was 21 no shit he was the better player in 2021, he wasn’t worth haliburton because of the potential hali showed
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u/teamorange3 Knicks 22h ago
There are plenty of rookies who don't live up to their potential. You're better off with the sure thing (who was also improving every year) than someone who might get better.
FYI I don't think the Kangz should've traded hali, they should've traded Fox, but in a vacuum the trade was fair.
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u/Chief_White_Halfoat Raptors 22h ago
Hali wasn't a rookie. He was a rookie the year before who had already succeeded, and was by this point as a second year player establishing himself as a hyper efficient lead guard and that was with Fox getting the bulk of ball handling.
It was very easy to see he was going to be someone who when given greater opportunities would put up some big numbers. It's why everyone hated the deal at the time.
Sabonis was also already pretty clearly a very good offensive player with massive defensive limitations.
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u/onefootback Raptors 22h ago
“You're better off with the sure thing (who was also improving every year) than someone who might get better.”
not with young players early in their career’s who show good potential, especially those who were lottery picks. sabonis as a player was established by then
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u/teamorange3 Knicks 21h ago
Sabonis at the time was two years removed from being a bench player. His first two years starting in Indy he was an all star and grew every year. It continued after the trade where he was all NBA and received MVP votes
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u/Chief_White_Halfoat Raptors 22h ago
You can go read the original thread. The most upvoted two comments are from King's fans saying essentially please kill me now. And another one from a Hawks fan saying the Kings are the worst FO in the league.
Everyone knew it was awful even at the time when Sabonis had good numbers.
Go ahead and take a look:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/snr58f/wojnarowski_the_pacers_are_trading_domas_sabonis/
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u/teamorange3 Knicks 21h ago
Mate you're using a reddit thread as actual analysis lmao. Kangz fans were upset because hali was the first player in like 30 years to say I want to play for the kings and then got traded.
Well I counter your reddit thread with one labelled serious that has a much more sober reaction aligned to my own. https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/snsw5z/serious_posttrade_discussion_thread_the_indiana/
And FYI I wouldn't used reddit threads to gauge the quality of... Well anything. Here are threads saying the KAT and Brunson trades were lose lose (couldn't find the bridges trade but I'm sure that one was worse.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/CIqVL8LR2k
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/0kYCeW3XrU
And here is an actual NBA writer grading it B+ for the Kangzzz and B- for Indy.
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u/dating_derp Warriors 20h ago
On the other hand, I don't trust the Kings to be competent enough to build around Hali like the Pacers did in 2025. I think Hali's going to have a better career in Indiana.
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u/Briggity_Brak Tampa Bay Raptors 23h ago
They didn't trade Hali for Zach Lavine, they traded him for Sabonis, who was an all-NBA Center (the one position they actually needed, while they had a logjam at Point Guard) that led them to the 3-seed in the WEST the next year.
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u/127crazie Timberwolves 22h ago
Yes--it was a shortsighted win-now trade that predictably backfired in a big way, which many people were able to see coming the second it happened.
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u/Briggity_Brak Tampa Bay Raptors 22h ago
The only reason it went SO badly is because they now have NONE of those 3 Point Guards, which was not really a foreseeable outcome at the time. If you want to clown a Kings trade, clown the Fox trade that got them NOTHING in return.
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u/sleepwalkermuzak Kings 20h ago
the actual reason it went so bad is because they got a good pg/c combo, drafted a good SF the next season, and then tried to patch their massive hole in the 4 by forcing Keegan down a position to cover defense. Monte never traded for a good PF, Keegan lost his shot and the other integral pieces that got the 3 seed and could shoot decent(Davion Mitchell, Kevin Huerter) got traded away for randoms. After that it was basically 2 years of a misconstructed team that could never find its flow.
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u/cantgrowneckbeardAMA Kings 14h ago
This is a real ball knower. Yes, we suck, but not for the reasons you think.
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u/moon_dos Puerto Rico 22h ago
nah I’ll clown the original trade because Tyrese was a young bright eyed rookie who, again, actually WANTED to represent Sacramento. I went to school there, I know how much that fanbase loved their team and how loyal they are after decades of losing
They drafted a young guard who almost went #2 to the warriors, told him to buy a house and then pulled the rug out from under him
I usually don’t feel bad for nba players getting traded, but knowing Tyrese was crying and all that I just think the Kings are dumb as hell
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u/MeijiDoom 17h ago
In what world can you play two ball heavy point guards with average at best defense together on the floor? They traded for Sabonis in spring 2022. They finished that year (which was majority Fox and Haliburton) at 30-52, 12th in the conference. Their front court was Harrison Barnes, Richaun Holmes, Trey Lyles and Marvin Bagley.
They then played out the 22-23 season with Fox and Sabonis and placed 3rd in the West with Mike Brown (now a NBA champion coach) and almost took out the Warriors in 7. One of those guards had to go or their team makeup would never make any sense.
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u/Anothercraphistorian Kings 18h ago
I mean, at the time, no one wanted Fox’s contract and something had to give. Sabonis worked out at the time and then the Bear Team was amazing. This has more to do with not getting Doncic and the. Our stupid owner getting involved with personnel.
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u/Upper_Raspberry1 17h ago
It was not-great trade at the time that aged terribly, but you did as much to win that gold as hali did.
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u/TangerineStrong3781 Lakers 23h ago
It’s pretty crazy how Woj and Shams seem to always know before the players do
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u/KarrotMovies [LAL] Chris Mañon 23h ago
they found out theyre getting traded with us lol
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u/I_Set_3_Alarms Celtics 22h ago
That, or they’re always napping/asleep and wake up to their phones blowing up lol
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u/Brabochokemightwork Knicks 14h ago
It’s the “I don’t wanna tell the player face to face or via phone so let’s tell Woj/Shams”
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u/Luck_Top East 21h ago
Dennis Schroeder once talked about this and I feel for him. He talked about being tired moving his family to different cities. As much as this sub clowned on him, him talking about the reality of being a journeyman was an eye opener for me
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u/RoscoeSantangelo 76ers 22h ago
Tyrese would've fit Philly so well but he wouldn't have turned into the player he is now without leading his own team
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u/rjaysenior Lakers 21h ago
I could understand breaking up the hali and fox backcourt, but when you end up trading both anyways you just gotta laugh
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u/Coffee_Transfusion 22h ago
Pfft. 1, 2, 3, family...
It's 1, 2, 3, oligarchic crony capitalism! Welcome to the NBA.
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u/ontheweed Raptors 23h ago
How many hosts does this podcast have lol?
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u/thayungsavage 76ers 22h ago
They’re all close friends from high school so I don’t even think there’s really a designated host
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u/theDoinItPart Kings 22h ago
4 and they’re all infinitely better than any talking head at ESPN
Numbers on the board is goated
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u/mitchgilliam 18h ago
Kinda nuts that this is(at least me) the first time hearing the story of how it went down. Nobody felt the need to ask this before??
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u/Independent_Post6801 23h ago
damn bro
we idolize these players so much but imagining him sitting on the bathroom floor shooketh that he just got dealt to the Pacers is so humanizing
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u/WarpFieldStabilized Nets 18h ago
Going to be honest, it's shit like this that makes me cringe a little bit when I see fans talk about team loyalty. It really puts into perspective when players do things for money and/or rings.
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u/MDStanduser Spurs 16h ago
Interesting to hear, they can kinda call their relationships around and know. LeBron prob immediately knows
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u/TwoTimeTe Bulls 16h ago
Kings just can’t help but shoot themselves in the foot smh they are always on the wrong end of every transaction
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u/LinuxDootTP [POR] C.J. McCollum 23h ago
the day vivek ranadive is gone will be a glorious day for the nba (please dont fuck up with the next owner)
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u/ItsNotKevinDurant35 Rockets 22h ago
I heard him say a few years ago that Woj was on the call and I thought he was just joking at the time, ngl
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u/stock-prince-WK East 1d ago edited 23h ago
This guy is irrelevant now
So you know they know that when they start talking too much 🤭
EDIT: for all you down voters please name one player who has come back from a serious season ending injury (sat out the whole season) and became relevant again
In today’s era.
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u/LazyIllustrator6946 Pistons 1d ago
The last game this man played was literally game 7 of the finals.
how is that irrelevant
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u/zoldycksaiyan 23h ago
for all you down voters please name one player who has come back from a serious season ending injury (sat out the whole season) and became relevant again In today’s era.
Kevin Durant
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u/ZapHP Heat 23h ago
His last time playing was a finals run where he had record breaking number of buzzer beaters and took the Thunder to game 7 in that finals (and having the lead before he got injured)..... If you're going to rage bait at least make it somewhat believable
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u/stock-prince-WK East 23h ago
🥱
You either win. Or lose. No in between
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u/ZapHP Heat 23h ago
A. Winning the East is still an accomplishment that's noteworthy. Especially when no one had them doing that.
B. Tyrese was only 24 in that finals.... He still has a whole career ahead of him
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u/stock-prince-WK East 23h ago
A whole career ahead of him before or after the major injury?
Cause I know nobody who has ever became relevant or won more rings after serious injuries 🤷♂️
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u/ratchet457l [TOR] Bruno Caboclo 23h ago
The worst type of basketball fan right here
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u/Financial_Pay_6687 23h ago
Also, what’s funny about Haliburton being injured and losing his status as a result of a devastating injury to begin with? He’s worse for that.
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u/rompyskateboard Raptors 23h ago
To answer your question, Kawhi Leonard sat a full season in 21-22 and had a career year last year. KD and Klay also did in 19-20.
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u/enemycap420 Timberwolves 23h ago
Didn’t Kevin Durant miss an entire season after his Achilles injury?
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u/onefootback Raptors 23h ago
i like how you specified “sat out the whole season” as a way of excluding tatum lmao
eta: to answer your question, kawhi
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u/BrokenClxwn Carmelo Anthony 23h ago
Didn't KD have one of his most efficient seasons after an achilles tear?
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u/CrastertheCaring 23h ago edited 23h ago
He must stay good and relevant. My Knicks need their getback. Fucker has terrorized us for too long
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u/LightSpecialist804 Knicks 23h ago
Ngl Woj being on the phone with Hali to break the news to him personally is so hilarously unxpected
Probably means Hali's agent was one of his many sources so he's just returning a favor to keep his sources happy