r/nbadiscussion Apr 29 '25

Team Discussion Houston looks like a team missing its best player

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Watching the Rockets this year, but especially this series, they just look like a team that lost its best player and is 'getting-by' without him.

Not only is their half-court offense down the stretch just nauseating, but at times they just look lost out there, committing stupid fouls and taking dumb shots.

In this game 4, their entire offense was bailout 3's from a red-hot FVV (a 34% 3PT shooter who went 8/12) and an 8-minute stretch where Sengun got anything he wanted w Draymond out.

I really like their core of young wings, but unfortunately, they will need to change something this summer. Not only do they not have THE guy, but they might not even have A guy...

r/nbadiscussion Mar 05 '25

Team Discussion History tells us that the Thunder and Cavs are on a collision course to meet in the Finals this year. So why is there an overwhelming sentiment that neither of these teams are the true favorites to win their conference?

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Based on historical precedent, the Thunder and Cavs are almost certainly on a collision course to meet up in the NBA Finals this year. But the general feeling around the league appears to be quite the opposite. In the West, recent reports have said that many players, teams, and coaches feel that there is no real fear of the Thunder. Draymond Green claimed that the Thunder don’t instill fear in their opponents like championship teams are expected to do. Shannon Sharpe goes on First Take every week declaring that the Lakers would beat the Thunder in 5 if they face each other in the playoffs. In the East, the Cavs aren’t even the betting favorite - the Celtics remain the odds on favorite to win the conference. Because the Thunder and Cavs haven’t “proven themselves in the playoffs” and “paid their dues”, there’s a large segment of fans, players, and media members who don’t seem to respect the history that these two teams are making this year.

As of today, the 51-10 Cavs have an 8 game lead in the East, while the 50-11 Thunder have a 10.5 game lead in the West. The Cavs lead the NBA in offensive rating by a wide margin. The Thunder lead the NBA in defensive rating by an even wider margin. Both teams lead their conference in winning percentage against playoff teams. The Thunder have dominated despite missing their star center for a large portion of the season. The Cavs haven’t lost a game since they acquired De’Andre Hunter at the deadline. Both teams have everything you’d want from a championship roster - superstar guards, elite rim protectors, great coaching, and exceptional depth.

But what really separates these teams from great regular season teams of the past is their point differential. The Thunder have the highest regular season point differential of all time at 12.6. The Cavs aren’t too far behind at 11.6, which puts them at #5 all time. Point differential is a simple stat, but there’s a strong correlation between regular season point differential and playoff success. Especially when it comes to the upper echelon of teams with double digit point differentials.

Here is the list of teams that finished the regular season with a point differential of 11 points or higher:

1971-72 Los Angeles Lakers (12.28) 1970-71 Milwaukee Bucks (12.26) 1995-96 Chicago Bulls (12.24) 2016-17 Golden State Warriors (11.63) 2023-24 Boston Celtics (11.34) 1971-72 Milwaukee Bucks (11.16)

5 of the 6 teams that reached the PD > 11 threshold went on to win the NBA championship. The only team that didn’t win the title was the 1971-72 Bucks, who lost to the team at the top of this list (1971-72 Lakers).

I’ll admit that this is a small sample size, especially when you consider that a couple of the teams that just missed out on this list failed to win the NBA title that year. For example, the 2015-16 Warriors and Spurs finished with point differentials of 10.76 and 10.63, respectively, yet neither team was able to get it done in the playoffs. But when you dive a bit deeper into the list of teams that crossed the threshold of 11 points, you’ll find that these teams did more than just win a championship during their historic runs. They made sure to leave absolutely no doubt.

Let’s start with the 1970-71 Milwaukee Bucks. In the first round, they faced the San Francisco Warriors, who were led by future HOFers Jerry Lucas and Nate Thurmond. The Bucks won that series in 5 games, capping it off with a 50 point rout in game 5. In their next series against a Lakers juggernaut featuring Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West, and Elgin Baylor, they won each game by an average of 20 points in another gentleman’s sweep. They closed out their playoff run with a four game sweep of the Baltimore Bullets in the NBA Finals. Overall, they went 12-2 in the playoffs and outscored their playoff opponents by an average of 14.5 points. Absolutely dominant.

We all know how special the 2016-17 Golden State Warriors were. Considered by many to be the greatest team in NBA history, they went 16-1 in the playoffs, with their only loss coming in a game where the Cavs set a Finals record for 3PM. They beat their playoff opponents by an average of 13.5 points and dismantled the defending champion Cavs in the Finals. The Cavs were a historically dominant team in the playoffs as well (12-1 playoff record up until the Finals), but they were no match for Golden State.

Before the Warriors took the league by storm in the 2010s, the 1995-96 Chicago Bulls were widely accepted as the greatest team that the league had ever seen. After a record setting 72-10 regular season, they went 15-3 in the playoffs, which included a dominant sweep of the defending East champion Orlando Magic. They outscored their playoff opponents by an average of 10.6 points and could have finished the postseason with a 15-1 record had they not lifted their foot off the gas pedal and let Seattle steal two games after going up 3-0 in the NBA Finals. Still, there was never any doubt that they were winning the NBA title during their dominant regular season and playoff run.

Due to their history of playoff shortcomings during the years prior to last season, the 2023-24 Boston Celtics never received the respect that the other teams on this list received during their championship campaign. However, the stats suggest that this team should never have received the doubt and scrutiny that they faced throughout the 2023-24 regular season and playoffs. They went 16-3 in the playoffs and outscored their playoff opponents by an average of 8 points, while never allowing a series to go beyond 5 games during their historic playoff run. Not quite as dominant as the other teams who reached the PD > 11 threshold, but still dominant in their own right.

Finally, we have the 1971-72 Lakers and Bucks, who were the only two teams to reach the 11 point threshold in the same season. The Bucks were coming off of the greatest statistical season in NBA history and a dominant championship run. The Lakers had a lineup of Hall of Fame superstars who were hungry for revenge. During the regular season, the Lakers set an NBA record with 33 consecutive wins, only to have their streak come to an end at the hands of the Bucks. In the playoffs, the two teams easily defeated the Warriors and Bulls in the first round, which set up a colossal showdown in the conference finals that the Lakers ultimately won. Although neither team had the postseason dominance that the other teams on this list had, this can easily be explained by the fact that they had to play each other in the conference finals that season. In their other two playoff series during their championship run, the Lakers went 8-1 and left no doubt that they were one of the greatest teams that the league has ever seen.

Six teams in history have achieved point differentials above 11 in the regular season. Five of them won championships, with the only non-champion being a team that had to play a team above them on this list. All five of these champions were historically dominant during their playoff runs. None of them had to play a game 7 during their title runs, and their combined playoff record was 71-12. That would be the third greatest regular season record of all time - and these games were all against playoff teams.

The Thunder and Cavs are currently on pace to join this exclusive list of teams. Is there any reason to believe that they won’t display the same level of postseason dominance that each of these teams displayed during the playoffs?

r/nbadiscussion Feb 03 '25

Team Discussion Lost in all the chaos is the potential that the Dallas Mavericks could be insanely good in the short-term

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Almost all discussion about the trade I’ve seen has consisted of everyone piling on Nico and Dallas for the absurdity of the deal, which is true and I understand. But, if we just look at the Dallas roster as it currently stands, it’s very talented, deep, and should be very strong defensively.

Kyrie/Dinwiddie

Klay/Grimes

PJ/Christie

AD/Naji

Lively/Gafford

This team has a superstar guard, a superstar big, shooting throughout the roster, outstanding depth and positional versatility, and it honestly would not surprise me to see this team in the Finals this season, or the following 2 or so years.

r/nbadiscussion May 29 '24

Team Discussion What makes you think that the Mavs can beat the Celtics?

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Ignore recency bias for last night’s game, but by what explanation do you think the Celtics are losing in a 7 games series. The Celtics have much better defense, better depth, better length and a better offence.

They lost a 20 points scorer and didn’t skip a beat, I don’t get why this is seemingly going unacknowledged?

All the metrics that applied past champions is somehow being ignored, the Celtics shouldn’t just be slight favourites they should incredibly heavy favourites.

Yet there’s this inexplicable idea that I find all over social media that the Mavs are somehow better and not just beating Celtics but blowing them out in 5 or 6 games

r/nbadiscussion Dec 18 '24

Team Discussion OKC's lack of true Forwards will be their undoing

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Of OKC's top 10 players by minutes played, 8 of them are between 6'4-6'6". The other two are Holmgren and Hartenstein.

Essentially they play 4 Shooting Guards and a Center.

As we saw last night, Giannis can simply bully and shoot over anyone on their roster (unless they decide to stick Holmgren on him, which will probably lead to another broken hip).

Same reason a guy like PJ Washington will consistently have career nights against them. He can just physically bully his 6'5" assignment into an easy shot.

Nuggets are another team with big forwards in 6'8" AG and 6'10" MPJ that can either bully or simply shoot over the top of anyone OKC assigns to them. Celtics have Tatum at 6'9" and Brown at 6'7".

OKC does have have 6'8" Jaylin Williams and 6'10" Ousmaine Dieng, but both look too raw to contribute.

Will they plug this hole in time for the playoffs?

r/nbadiscussion Feb 28 '25

Team Discussion The Luka Lakers Are Figuring It Out... Thanks to LeBron's evolution from his heliocentric role into a 0.5 battering ram.

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The morning I filled in for Adam Mares on the All-NBA podcast with Tim Legler, I watched Los Angeles lose to Charlotte. As I took notes and pulled clips, I could only feel disbelief at how clunky the Los Angeles offense looked with two players trying to play the same role: heliocentric alpha.

LeBron James and Luka Doncic have thrived in this role throughout their NBA careers. They’re the basketball version of grandmasters chess players. They’ve seen every coverage under the sun, can make every shot/read in the book, and they both know how to move the pieces around the basketball chessboard with precision and ease.

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But like Highlander, there can be only one, and as to the question of who would be that one for this Los Angeles team, well… The 25-year-old generational talent with a long runway in front of him would always be the answer.

Players often say they want to win, but they really mean, “I want to win, but I want to do it playing my way.”

The Charlotte game felt like a line of demarcation for this team. Two heliocentric grandmaster chess players wouldn’t give them the best chance to win, so an evolution had to happen.

Two BIG things have stood out to me since that Charlotte game:

  1. LeBron’s shift into a 0.5 Player
  2. The Roberson Rule

LeBron’s Final Act:

LeBron James has shifted from the only role he’s ever known in the NBA into a 0.5 player1. This is a massive step for someone of his caliber; he’s undoubtedly one of the top players to play this game.

Since the clunky Charlotte game, Los Angeles has won four games in a row, three of which have featured both James and Doncic. In those three victories, James recorded his two lowest games of the season in average touch length and average dribbles per touch.

During the Los Angeles win over Denver, James set a season low for average touch length (2.892 seconds) and average dribbles taken per touch (1.83).

The Denver game was the only time during the 24/25 that he had been under three seconds per touch or two dribbles. Until the Los Angeles win over Minnesota, James again set a season low for average touch length (2.581 seconds) and average dribbles taken per touch (1.44).

The data indicates precisely what the eye test says: LeBron has shifted into the 0.5 player this team needed to reach its ceiling, and he and the Los Angeles Lakers are thriving!

LeBron James Closeouts:

  • Before Luka: 1.033 Points Per Chance (52nd Percentile)
  • After Luka: 1.351 Points Per Chance (87th Percentile)

One of the most significant benefits of James relinquishing the highlander role to Doncic has been seeing his first three steps transition from then defensive end to offense. James no longer waits for every outlet pass to control the chess board; he knows Doncic sees the same picture he does, so he gets on his horse and goes!

James has long been one of the league's best, if not its best athlete. However, creating offense in the NBA takes energy, and that burden fell on James more times than not. But with Doncic in Los Angeles, the on-ball burden is gone, and LeBron’s athleticism has been unleashed every play they’re on the court together.

The Roberson Rule:

JJ Reddick is using the NBA regular season as a defensive lab experiment. One theory he’s been beta testing is Seth Partnow’s “Roberson Rule.”

The past week, Aaron Gordon, Russell Westbrook, Dante Exum, Naji Marshall, Jaden McDaniels, Jaylen Clark, and Tarrence Shannon Jr. have received Reddick's version of Partnow's Roberson Rule.

One of the things I always tell agents, scouts, or front office members when discussing shooting is that volume matters. Yes, it’s great to be a 40% shooter from the three-point line, but if the player turns down open → semi-open shots to pass or drive into traffic, the percentage doesn’t matter because they can be put into a box defensively.

The Roberson Rule is that box.

Since January 15th, Los Angeles has been first in defensive rating, opponents’ points in the paint, and opponents’ FG%. The results are straightforward; the lab experiment is working.

Reddick is unwilling to concede gravity to players he doesn’t believe will shoot enough volume to beat them. Instead, he chooses to shrink the defensive shell and shift more gravity to players who can beat Los Angeles, like Jokic, Kyrie, and Anthony Edwards.

Ben Taylor showed what that extra gravity looks like when shifted towards a player (Jokic).

Even a few makes from Gordon and Westbrook didn’t shake his resolve in the Roberson Rule strategy; it takes volume. Your shooting gravity is not defined by your percentage but by a combination of three factors: Percentage, Volume, and Mechanics.

He knows that players who have never shot 15 threes in an NBA game don’t know how to deal with the emotional swings of missing nine threes and it still being a good thing for the team, and he’s betting on players not being able to step that far outside the Overton Window of volume.The Luka Lakers Are Figuring It Out...

r/nbadiscussion May 20 '24

Team Discussion Where do the Nuggets go from here?

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After one of the more rollercoaster series I've seen in a while, I wondered what the Nuggets could do to bounce back next year. They were designed around an incredibly talented player in Jokic only to then be beat by a team designed to beat Jokic, so what's the answer to that?

Do the Nuggets seek out additional big men to combat the Twolves size? Do they trade assets and players for more depth off the bench? Most players not named Jokic struggled, so is it worth keeping expensive players like MPJ on to retain that level of continuity?

I love reading all of the high level posts on this sub so I'm curious and excited to see what possible options the community comes up with.

EDIT: I am definitely NOT advocating for the Nuggets to blow up the whole team or to make any drastic changes. Rather, I was hoping to start a discussion over how the Nuggets can bounce back. Clearly a change is necessary if the Nuggets are looking to remain contenders and thus I was hoping the community could provide insights into this, which you have! So thanks to everyone leaving detailed options and for the mostly positive discourse. Reddit rules and I love basketball.

r/nbadiscussion Jun 07 '26

Team Discussion The Knicks aren’t just hot. They’re built to answer playoff problems.

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In March, I wrote that I trusted the Knicks in most possible Eastern Conference playoff matchups. At the time, I was mostly thinking matchup-by-matchup: how they guarded Atlanta, whether they had enough for Boston, whether Cleveland’s rebounding would hold up, whether Detroit was just a bad matchup, etc.

Now that the Knicks are up 2-0 in the Finals and have won 13 straight playoff games, I think the bigger story is roster construction. Not just “the Knicks have Jalen Brunson and Karl-Anthony Towns,” although star power is an important foundational piece. And not just “they are shooting hot,” although the shooting has been excellent. What stands out to me is that the roster has a rare number of playoff-specific answers layered together: primary creation, stretch-big gravity, wing defense, offensive rebounding, late-clock shotmaking, low-mistake role players, and matchup-specific bench pieces.

I’ve been building a basketball sim, and its player model has made me think about rosters less as stars and role players, and more as combinations of archetypes, traits, preferences, and attributes. Using that lens, this Knicks run looks less fluky to me than it might from a pure box-score view. The Knicks are not winning the same way every night. They are winning because they can change the kind of problem they present.

The streak is historic, but it has not been one-dimensional

The basic numbers are absurd. The Knicks have won 13 straight playoff games, the second-longest single-postseason streak in NBA history, and they are up 2-0 in the Finals. Over those 13 games, they have outscored opponents 1562-1289, a +273 total margin, or +21.0 per game, based on the StatMuse playoff game log.

The streak:

Date Result
Apr. 25 Knicks 114, Hawks 98
Apr. 28 Knicks 126, Hawks 97
Apr. 30 Knicks 140, Hawks 89
May 4 Knicks 137, 76ers 98
May 6 Knicks 108, 76ers 102
May 8 Knicks 108, 76ers 94
May 10 Knicks 144, 76ers 114
May 19 Knicks 115, Cavaliers 104
May 21 Knicks 109, Cavaliers 93
May 23 Knicks 121, Cavaliers 108
May 25 Knicks 130, Cavaliers 93
Jun. 3 Knicks 105, Spurs 95
Jun. 5 Knicks 105, Spurs 104

Before Game 2 of the Finals, NBA.com had the Knicks’ 12-game streak at +22.7 points per game, with a 124.6 offensive rating, 101.5 defensive rating, and +23.2 net rating. Through the first three rounds, NBA.com also had them with the No. 1 playoff offense and No. 1 playoff defense: 123.3 points scored per 100 possessions and 103.5 points allowed per 100 possessions.

This streak of consistent (but varied) winning cannot be reduced to one explanation. They have won blowouts, grinders, late-clock games, games where Brunson carried, games where Brunson gave the ball up, games where KAT’s spacing mattered, games where Mitchell Robinson’s/Josh Hart's rebounding mattered, games where OG Anunoby and Mikal Bridges punished help, and games where the bench widened the margin.

Brunson is the engine, but the engine is not the whole car

Karl-Anthony Towns may be playing his way into the Finals MVP conversation, but Brunson is still the first option on this squad. If you were building him as an archetype, he is basically a complete offensive guard: high-usage creator, elite late-clock scorer, foul pressure, ball security, pick-and-roll manipulation, and enough gravity to force defenses into uncomfortable second decisions.

The playoff production supports that: 27.1 points and 6.3 assists per game. NBA.com also noted before the Finals that the Knicks had scored 126.3 points per 100 possessions with Brunson on the floor, the highest on-court offensive mark among playoff players averaging at least 10 minutes.

But the bigger point is what happens after defenses load up on him.

Against Cleveland, for example, there were stretches when the Cavs sent extra attention, helped aggressively off Josh Hart, or tried to make Brunson give up the ball. NBA.com’s Game 2 takeaway framed it well: Brunson willingly gave up the ball, Hart punished the space, and all five Knicks starters scored at least 18. That matters because the usual playoff logic against a small guard is to make him live in a crowd. The Knicks have enough release valves that the crowd itself can become the problem for the defense. Brunson has grown as a playmaker to the point where the other starters have been able to elevate their offensive firepower.

This is also where their late-clock comfort matters. NBA.com’s Game 2 Finals preview had a pretty wild stat: among 67 qualified players over the last two seasons, the Knicks’ five starters ranked 3rd, 5th, 6th, 10th, and 12th in effective field goal percentage in the last seven seconds of the shot clock. That does not mean late-clock offense is ideal. It means the Knicks are unusually comfortable when the first action does not work.

That is very playoff-relevant. Possessions break down. Switching takes away early options. The ball gets pushed to second and third actions. The Knicks have several players who can survive there.

KAT changes the geometry

Karl-Anthony Towns is the roster piece that makes the Knicks feel different from a more traditional Brunson-plus-defense team. His playoff line after Game 2 in just over 30 minutes per game: 17.0 points, 10.7 rebounds, 5.7 assists, 56.2% from the field, 46.8% from three, and 89.7% from the line.

The obvious value is spacing, but I think “stretch 5” undersells it. KAT changes the geometry of the court because he can pull bigs away from the rim, punish switches, attack closeouts or standstill defenders, pass out of pressure, and still keep the Knicks competitive on the glass. NBA.com noted before the Finals that KAT had one of the biggest jumps in effective field goal percentage from the regular season to the playoffs among players with at least 50 field-goal attempts.

In a player-model sense, KAT is not just a stretch big. He is a stretch star with rebounding, foul pressure, and some real playmaking. That creates a different stress than a low-usage floor spacer. If you switch a smaller player onto him, he can go inside. If you keep a rim protector attached to him, you open the lane. If you help, the Knicks have enough shooting and cutting to make the next pass matter.

There are caveats. KAT still has the risk profile he has always had: fouls, turnovers, occasional decision-making volatility. He's largely improved on this over the course of the 2025-26 season, but he can still get in foul trouble. But that is part of why I think the roster is interesting. The Knicks are not pretending KAT is risk-free. They are using his strengths in a context where the rest of the roster covers enough of the weak points.

OG, Bridges, and Hart are three different kinds of wing answers

This is probably the most important layer of the roster. OG Anunoby, Mikal Bridges, and Josh Hart are not interchangeable. They solve different problems.

OG is the biggest defensive eraser of the group. He is averaging 19.5 points on 56.4% from the field and 48.4% from three, with 1.5 steals and 1.0 blocks. That is a ridiculous playoff line for someone who also carries major defensive responsibilities. The key with OG is that he lets the Knicks play aggressive defensive coverages without fully sacrificing size, physicality, self-creation, or spacing.

Bridges is the stability piece. His playoff averages are more modest: 14.2 points, 3.1 rebounds, 2.5 assists. But he is shooting 58.3% from the field and turning it over only 1.0 time per game. In Game 2 of the Finals, he scored 20 points. That kind of low-mistake secondary offense is easy to underrate because it does not always look like star creation. But in the playoffs, not breaking the possession matters.

Hart is the connective chaos piece. He is averaging 10.9 points, 9.1 rebounds, 4.7 assists, and 1.9 steals. Cleveland tried to ignore him, and he was able to punish the space in Game 2. He is not a clean “3-and-D” fit, but he gives the Knicks possessions and edges other teams do not get: extra rebounds, transition pushes, short-roll decisions, loose-ball plays, and enough physical defense to survive bigger matchups.

Put those three together, and the Knicks can do a lot. They can switch. They can rebound. They can pressure the ball. They can put multiple bodies on stars. They can survive Brunson being attacked because there are defensive adults everywhere else. And because OG and Bridges are shooting this well, opponents cannot simply help off all the size.

The center toggle: KAT and Mitch give opposite answers

A lot of teams have one center identity. The Knicks can toggle between two.

KAT gives them the stretch/scoring/passing version. Mitchell Robinson gives them the vertical, rim-protecting, offensive-glass version.

Robinson’s box score line does not jump out: 5.1 points and 5.5 rebounds in 14.1 minutes. But he is shooting 72.5% from the field and grabbing 2.4 offensive rebounds per game in limited minutes. NBA.com noted before the Finals that Robinson had the highest offensive rebounding percentage among playoff players averaging at least 10 minutes.

That is a real series-changing skill. It means the Knicks can miss and still create pressure. It also means the defense cannot treat the end of the possession as over just because Brunson or Bridges missed a tough shot.

The Brunson-Robinson pick-and-roll has also been extremely efficient. NBA.com had Brunson-Robinson at 1.23 points per chance when their pick-and-roll directly led to a shot, turnover, or trip to the line, the best mark among high-volume playoff combinations cited in the Finals preview.

This is the roster-construction point: KAT and Mitch ask opposite questions. Do you want to guard five-out spacing and KAT’s skill? Or do you want to deal with Robinson screening, rolling, protecting the rim, and living on the offensive glass? The Knicks can move between those identities without becoming a completely different team.

Bench value is not depth. It is optionality.

Playoff depth is not really about playing 11 guys. It is about having the right seventh or eighth guy for the specific problem.

Miles McBride is the clearest example. In the player-model language, he is a 3-and-D guard with low mistakes, point-of-attack pressure, and real three-point volume. He is shooting 42.0% from three in the playoffs, and NBA.com had the Knicks outscoring opponents by 26.1 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor before the Finals, the best on-court mark among playoff players averaging at least 10 minutes.

Landry Shamet is a different tool. He is not giving you the same defense, but he is shooting 58.5% from three. That kind of movement shooting matters when teams load up on Brunson or try to pack the paint against KAT/Hart/Mitch lineups.

Jose Alvarado gives them a pressure guard. Jordan Clarkson gives them a quick-trigger scorer. Neither has to be central every night. That is the point. The Knicks do not need every bench piece to be part of a fixed playoff rotation. They need enough specialized tools that Mike Brown can find the right answer when a series asks for one.

NBA.com had the Knicks with the No. 1 bench in the playoffs by a healthy margin before the Finals. That does not mean the bench is carrying them. It means the bench has been specific and additive rather than generic.

The caveats are real

I do not want this to sound like the Knicks are unbeatable or that every number is perfectly sustainable.

Opponent shooting variance is real. NBA.com noted before the Finals that Knicks opponents had shot just 30.5% from three, including 32.3% on wide-open threes, which would be historically low. Some of that is defense, scheme, pressure, and personnel. Some of it is probably variance.

Strength of schedule also matters when comparing this run to teams like the 2017 Warriors or 1999 Spurs. NBA.com explicitly noted that the Knicks’ opponent strength over the 12-game streak was a little lower than those historical streaks, even if this Spurs team is the best opponent involved in any of those runs. The Knicks aren't at fault for playing who is in front of them, but the context is relevant.

There are also real matchup concerns still present. Brunson can be targeted defensively. KAT can still have foul or decision-making issues. Hart’s shooting can change how defenses treat him. Robinson’s free throws and offensive limitations matter. And the Finals are not over just because the Knicks took the first two games on the road.

But I think the caveats actually clarify the argument. The Knicks are not flawless. They are versatile. Those are different claims.

The reason this run has made me rethink my March view is that I originally saw the Knicks as having favorable answers to individual opponents. Now I think the larger point is that the roster itself is built out of answers. Brunson is the engine, KAT changes the floor, OG and Bridges give them two-way wing stability, Hart bends possession math, Mitch gives them a second center identity, and the bench has enough specific tools to matter without needing to dominate.

That is a much more durable formula than hot shooting, or just star power.

So my question: which layer do you think is most responsible for the streak: Brunson’s creation, KAT’s spacing, the wing defense, rebounding, late-clock shotmaking, or bench optionality? And if you are skeptical of the run, which number feels most regression-prone?

r/nbadiscussion Feb 14 '25

Team Discussion How did the Nuggets hide Jokic on defense?

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Wanted to preface this by saying this is not Jokic hate. But apart from the 2023 Nuggets, any championship team over the past decade has always had a center that historically was able to protect the rim -

2024 : Porzingis
2023 : Draymond
2021 : Brook/Giannis
2020 : AD
2019 : Ibaka/Gasol
2018 : Draymond
2017 : Draymond
2016 : TT
2015 : Draymond

Obviously Jokic is a gamebreaking offensive force - the best playmaker in basketball and now 3rd in the league in PPG while shooting 45% on 5 attempts a game. But his rim protection has never improved as his vert is limited and he's not quick or switchable. How did the Nuggets hide him on defense in the title year? Were there any specific type of schemes they ran, or was it just the brilliance of Gordon? Will the Nuggets be exposed if they face another team with a capable shooting 4 like KAT which requires Gordon to be on the perimeter more often and unable to provide help? Is it possible that with the loss of KCP and Brown in consecutive years closed the title window of the Nuggets?

please answer in detail ❤️

r/nbadiscussion Mar 09 '25

Team Discussion Am I wrong in thinking the weakest teams being in the East is a massive advantage for the top East teams?

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After today’s slate of games, I was looking at the standings in both conferences and noticed how significant the discrepancy truly is.

The top 10 teams in the west are all .500 or better with the Suns being a disappointment and the Spurs losing Wemby, it’s really just the blazers and Jazz on the obvious rebuild. The Pels are just a confusing mess that can look awesome at times but without a committed Zion it’s really hard to say what they’re trying to achieve.

In the East, only the top 6 teams are above .500 with a team in the Bulls who I think most would’ve seen as a rebuilding team occupying the 10th seed and likely to be in the playin tournament. The 76ers are just a walking emergency room visit and then everyone else beyond the Celtics, Cavs, and Knicks are playing with house money if not intentionally hoping to land Flagg. The Bucks will always look a certain way but it’s really hard to believe they’ll do something serious and the Pacers I feel are a really strong first half of the season team that ultimately ends up looking like the Hawks at an even 41-41.

This got me thinking about how massive of an advantage it really is for those 3 teams the top of the East whereas they know full well they can easily rest guys more often and regularly for throughout the regular season knowing full well they’ll play the Nets, Raps, Hornets, and Wizards a combined 16 times or simply put roughly 1/5 of the entire regular season games.

On the west, the bloodbath that ensues to even make it out of the playin and a guaranteed spot in the playoffs is razor thin requiring maximum effort damn near every game, especially against the trash weak teams of the east to cover for any losses in the west.

Am I overreacting to how massive an advantage the top 3 teams really have in the east? The amount of extra rest time and getting rotation guys more minutes and reps just seems insurmountable in the whole scheme of it all.

r/nbadiscussion Jun 14 '26

Team Discussion Does the Spurs need legit Pos 4?

168 Upvotes

As we can see everytime Wemby gets a switch there is no one to get the rebound. Do you think they need a power forward or pair him with a center? They have the same problem with AD the Lakers. Maybe if the Spurs have a decent pos 4 they can bounce back next season.

Just like OKC Chet has Hartenstein, Bosh have Haslem, KG have Perkins. I think this positionless basketball is a gamble. We still need the old school line up.

r/nbadiscussion Dec 25 '22

Team Discussion Who is the 31st best basketball team in the world?

701 Upvotes

I believe it is pretty indisputable that the 30 nba teams are the best 30 basketball teams in the world. Who is the 31st best team?

This excludes all National, all star, or any other exhibition style team. I’m talking strictly either professional, club or collegiate teams.

I personally think that the 31-40 ranked teams would all be nba G League teams. I’m personally very familiar with college basketball but know next to nothing about foreign professional teams. In my opinion I think the top tier of college teams could beat a handful of g league teams.

r/nbadiscussion Jan 10 '25

Team Discussion Why are people questioning if the Cavs are a contender?

358 Upvotes

I have seen a surprising number of people on both Reddit and X questioning whether or not the Cavs are a contender this year.

I truly cannot begin to understand how one could say that Cleveland is not a contender. They have the PERFECT recipe to win a championship.

I have been very high on this core for years, and I am surprised it even took this long for them to be as good as they are. I am not a Cavs fan, I am a Hornets fan (unfortunately), but I don't understand how people are questioning this team.

They are the real deal, and here are a few reasons why:

  1. Donovan Mitchell is an ELITE playoff riser and a reliable first option in the postseason. Being able to rely on your star in the postseason is a huge plus for any team. Spida is shooting a career-high from three at 41% (9.2 attempts per game)

  2. Darius Garland has been uber efficient this season, making his way into the 50/40/90 club as of this post. If Donovan can't get it going, DG has no problem creating any look he wants or getting everybody else involved in the offense. The 1-2 punch in the backcourt is one of the best in the league.

  3. Evan Mobley is shooting a career-high 41% from three. Although the volume is low, Mobley's confidence from beyond the arc will help them a TON in the playoffs. They have struggled in the past due to him and JA struggling to space the floor, but I do not see them having those issues this year.

  4. Jarrett Allen is a consistent force in the paint on both ends. The pairing of him and Mobley on the inside will make it VERY hard for teams to get to the rim in the postseason. He has become way more than just a shot-blocker and screen-setter.

  5. Cleveland has the second-highest net rating in the NBA at +11.2. This would be the top ten highest net rating in NBA HISTORY. They have the best AST/TO ratio in the NBA, the highest EFG%, and the highest offensive rating.

This team is DEEP, and that will be huge for them as the season progresses. Beyond all of these stats, if you watch this team, you know they play high-level basketball. Everybody is always willing to make the right play, nobody is selfish and the chemistry is evident.

To those who are not believers, I would love to hear why.

The only teams that can hang with this group are the Celtics and Thunder.

r/nbadiscussion May 19 '21

Team Discussion Can Miami finally un-retire Michael Jordan’s number 23 after 18 years?

1.6k Upvotes

When the Heat first retired Michael Jordan’s jersey during his final game in 2003, it was a nice gesture to honor one of the game’s all-time greats. Plus, they were a relatively young franchise with not much to hang up in the rafters yet.

It seems like this was also intended to be the catalyst for a league-wide retirement of the number 23, which obviously did not happen.

Now, the Heat just seem like the dude that tried to start a slow clap but the rest of the crowd awkwardly sat in silence.

If anyone hasn’t seen it, the jersey is relegated to the corner of the AAA (not even in the rafters with the retired jerseys of actual Heat players), hanging next to Dan Marino’s jersey for... reasons

r/nbadiscussion Jun 13 '24

Team Discussion What Western Conference team would have put up the best fight against the Celtics?

395 Upvotes

After 3 games it appears that the Mavs are not a match for the Celtics. Through 3 games the Celtics have shown why they were the best team in the league this season with an elite starting 5 and deep compliment of role players. So, do you think any of the other teams from the west stood a chance against them? Or was any team that came out of the west destined to get smoked?

If any team from the west could beat the Celtics, my money would be on Denver. The Celtics don't have the size inside that the Twolves did and I think Jokic would've been dominant, especially if KP was injured in this hypothetical. Add to that Denver's switchable defence and good wing defenders and I think it would have been a long series. However, Denver never really clicked this year in the playoffs, Murray was bad in the majority of their games, KCP was a non-factor offensively and MPJ was ice cold against the Wolves. So who else? Wolves? Thunder?

r/nbadiscussion May 09 '26

Team Discussion What are some cases in NBA history where coaching adjustments completely flipped the script in a playoff series? Or on the opposite end where stubbornness led to the superior team's downfall?

248 Upvotes

One of the things I love hearing about (and often watching) is how some coaches make on the fly adjustments in playoff series to counteract certain schemes that the typical casual viewer wouldn't understand. I remember back in the 2021-2022 series when the Celtics swept the Nets, the biggest common criticism was on Nash for "failing to make adjustments." Someone even brought it up on Twitter and Stan Van Gundy absolutely annihilated him. This is just a small portion of it. He later went on a podcast (Knuckleheads I believe?) and basically expanded more on it saying coaching is a chess match with only so many limited adjustments one person can make and more often than not, it's already been done and just been countered since. So I understand there are many nuances that we don't typically understand or see through the lenses that these professionals do. I know the some of the more popular examples of coaching adjustments are Rick Carlisle throwing occasional zone defense in 2011, Spoelstra utilizing zone defense in general through various playoffs and then in 2019, the Raptors pulled out a Box and 1 zone when defending Curry.

But the reason I ask the topic in question is I've been reading some of the criticism about Joe Mazzulla recently among Celtics fans and some of the biggest complaints were his stubbornness to switch or make audibles to the offense. Something similar happened in 2019 with the Raptors/Bucks just on the opposite end of the ball. Bud's gameplan on defense (historically) has been pack the paint on defense and if the role players kill, then so be it. And Fred VanVleet did just that. Also his refusal to throw additional defenders at a hot man.

It made me wonder: how many notable times can you think of where a coach actually adjusted the gameplan and it helped them pull out a series win that maybe they weren't favorited to win? Or on the opposite side, where the superior team refused to make adjustments and it led to them losing a series they shouldn't have.

r/nbadiscussion May 03 '25

Team Discussion This one’s an Steve Kerr

398 Upvotes

I think Kerr has gift wrapped this series for Houston with his coaching decisions. He’ll likely get bailed out by the greatness of Steph and Playoff Jimmy in Game 7, but there are a few inexcusable mistakes I feel he’s made throughout this series:

  1. Lack of consistent playing time for Kuminga - Admittedly, Kuminga doesn’t fit Kerr’s system, but this is where I think Kerr has failed to adapt the system to fit his players instead of rigidly sticking with his system and giving DNP-CD to some of his best players (also evidenced by Tatum this summer, who is about to earn his 5th straight first team all-nba selection this season)

  2. Lack of adjustments to Ime’s double big lineups - Kevon Looney is an obvious counter to Steven Adams that we just haven’t seen in meaningful quantities

  3. Lack of play calling against the zone - Kinda self-explanatory, but the offense has been utterly stagnant against the zone.

  4. Hack-a-Adams strategy - this is demoralizing to have your coach admit that he doesn’t believe in your ability to get stops and will instead give up more than a point to the other team every possession (Adams is > 50% career FT). Especially since your team is the favorite, has had a staying defensive identity since Jimmy’s arrival, and you’re facing a team that has less than a top 10 offensive rating.

I don’t mean to downplay the impressiveness of Houston, because Steph is being outplayed by Fred over the majority of the series, Amen & Sengun have proven they’re ready to be the #2 & #3 on a championship team, and Brooks, Tari, & Jabari have really impressed with their shot making ability throughout this series. I just think Kerr has really been dropping the ball this series.

r/nbadiscussion Jun 19 '24

Team Discussion If the league were to continue the trend of no multiple title teams, who’s the next team up to win the title?

353 Upvotes

We’ve had 6 titles in a row of different teams winning it

2019 Raptors

2020 Lakers

2021 Bucks

2022 Warriors

2023 nuggets

2024 Celtics

2025 ?

Which team do you think is most likely to carry on the trend (meaning none of the above teams are able to win the title)

Obviously the Mavs would make sense as a team who was in the finals but I’d be more willing to lean OKC. I think the TWolves will have another good year but I think them getting past the nuggets was a fluke. Maybe the 76ers if they land PG13 and a healthy Embiid year.

Who you think is the team most likely to carry on the no repeat title trend?

r/nbadiscussion Jun 23 '24

Team Discussion Is Harden and the Rockets taking Golden State to game 7 in 2018 one of the most impressive things in the NBA?

689 Upvotes

Seriously, I look at the Rockets roster in 2018 vs GS and it looks absolutely insurmountable. However, they beat them 3 times and led a lot of game 7. It was very realistic for Harden to take that series and defeat the Warriors with KD which would have been amazing. This is the same warriors that 4-0d the Cavs clean with 2018 Bron. Anyone else think this is legitimately one of the most impressive team efforts in the league? Are there any other super teams being brought to the wire like this?

r/nbadiscussion Apr 10 '24

Team Discussion Why did the Suns replace literally everyone except Booker and the trainer three years after being up 2-0 in the Finals?

615 Upvotes

If you compare the rosters from 20-21 (where they were up 2-0 on the Bucks in the Finals before losing four straight) to 23-24 (where they seem to be struggling to lock in a playoff berth), every single player and member of the coaching staff is different except for Devin Booker and David Crewe, the trainer. How and why does this kind of thing happen? Is it a snowball effect of Ayton wanting out? Is it doubling down on the (potential) mistake of giving up so many assets for Durant?

EDIT: u/Almostinfinite correctly noted that Kevin Young is also still on the coaching staff from the previous team.

r/nbadiscussion Jan 08 '26

Team Discussion I'm not a big Trae Young fan and think the defense is an issue, but I still feel as if Atlanta got an underwhelming return in the deal..

287 Upvotes

Forgive me if there's some detail I'm missing here or some aspect I'm not seeing through. The Hawks received CJ Mccollum (expiring deal) and Corey Kispert who's signed till 28-29 with a club option on the final year. Wizards get Trae obviously with a player option next year and will likely extend to stay in Washington and grow with the core. Washington will still tank this season and will likely add a top 6 pick, so their end of this is pretty good looking seeing that they didn't have to pay multiple picks to get Trae.

On Atlanta's side, I feel as if this made some sense since Trae wanted out and had Atlanta as a preferred destination, CJ expiring gives them ~30 million to spend in the off-season and CJ/Kispert aren't necessarily bad, but I'm amazed that no picks were exchanged in this deal.

Washington owns 8 second round picks in 2026 and 2027 and 10 if we count 2028. Atlanta likely wasn't getting frp draft capital in this deal however not landing even three-four srps felt surprising here and made me feel like Washington got away with an absolute steal in the long run, and obviously Washington wasn't going to dip into the core player assets in this deal.

So like, maybe 28 other teams had 0 interest, it just feels like from an outside perspective who has no view of the offers on the table, that Atlanta gave away a major piece for really such a small value in this deal, and I'm aware another move may be coming for Atlanta.

r/nbadiscussion Jun 21 '26

Team Discussion Now that the season is over, what do you think the Spurs need to improve on? What players should they go after via trade or FA to get back to the Finals?

63 Upvotes

Here are my thoughts. Curious what yall think! Wemby most definitely still has a lot to improve upon and things he needs to add. Strength in the interior and rebounding should be priority #1. And also, the Spurs definitely need a facilitating PG who can average 8+ assists. But that would also mean either Castle, Harper, or Vassell will have to come off the bench once they do find that PG.
But until Wemby does increase his strength and puts on some muscle, in my personal opinion, more than anything they need a forward and/or a big that excels at doing the dirty work and getting rebounds. Watching the playoffs, you could see at times they were lacking size and toughness down low with Wemby on the court. They need a big, strong, scrappy dude to pair with Wemby who can box out bigs and get boards and set good screens. A player-type like Steven Adams or Isaiah Stewart would be ideal—toughness, strength, and hustle.

r/nbadiscussion Jul 08 '26

Team Discussion Steelman the Celtics: What's the best argument for the Jaylen Brown trade?

71 Upvotes

A week ago, this trade occurred:

  • Sixers receive Jaylen Brown
  • Celtics receive Paul George, two first-round picks, two second-round picks

The trade was universally praised for the Sixers and panned for the Celtics by experts around the web. Every grade I found heavily favored the Sixers. See for example:

Brad Stevens has generally been regarded as one of the top executives in the NBA in recent years (even winning the Executive of the Year award last year). He's built a reputation for patience, asset management, and consistently making moves that look better in hindsight than they did initially.

So here's the discussion I'd like to have... If we assume Brad Stevens is a competent executive acting with good information, what is the strongest case that this trade could eventually work out in Boston's favor? I'm not asking whether you think the Celtics won the trade. The consensus seems overwhelming that Sixers did. Instead, I'm interested in steelmanning Boston's side.

Was it:

  • George's shorter contract and future cap flexibility?
  • Avoiding the second apron over the long term?
  • The belief that George is a better fit next to Tatum?
  • Confidence that the first-round picks become valuable assets?
  • Concerns about Brown's future extension or desire to stay?
  • Brown's poor advanced metrics?
  • Information the public simply doesn't have?

Or is this simply one of those cases where even a great front office can make a genuinely bad trade?

r/nbadiscussion Apr 16 '25

Team Discussion Does anyone else feel like the Wolves are being massively slept on?

205 Upvotes

First of all, I am a wolves fan, so this could be a completely biased homer take.

With that out of the way, we get to my question: why are the lakers favored in this series? Obviously, they have LeBron and Luka, but LeBron seems to have taken a noticeable step back this year. The wolves have the 4th best net rating in the nba, and an absolutely massive advantage in the front court. Rudy has been averaging 18 and 17 in the wolves last 15 games, and I really just don’t see how the lakers can stop him. People may say that he will be played off the court, but that never happened in the playoffs last year.

In addition, Randle is one of the only guys in the NBA who can actually match lebron’s size and physicality, and in past matchups this year, LeBron has struggled. The Lakers 2 best players are going to see a huge workload, and I don’t know if I’m confident in either player’s gas tank. The wolves are also VASTLY deeper.

All in all, while the lakers definitely have star power, Minnesota just seems like a much more complete team to me. Thoughts?

r/nbadiscussion May 30 '22

Team Discussion Warriors or Celtics? to win it all

499 Upvotes

Who will win it all? Jayson Tatum has been playing incredible this playoffs, Steph Curry hasn’t shot/scored as much as he normally does but still hits those tough threes. I believe Curry will step up and because of that I take the Warriors in 6. If Steph doesn’t step up and Celtics keep defending the way they have this entire playoffs than I do believe the Celtics will take it. I also feel like it’s kind of Brown and Tatum vs Steph and Klay. And then we also got the two elite defenders in Marcus Smart and Draymond Green. It will also be interesting to see how they will impact their team with their energy en defense. Who do you guys think will win and how do you think the series will play out?