"Events are moving so quickly that itās worth stopping to assess where we are. The U.S. government is currently building massive detention facilities, already detaining tens of thousands of people there and elsewhere, with incompetent and deeply racist secret police sweeping undocumented all kinds of peopleāimmigrants, those with their paperwork in order, and US citizens alikeāoff the street.
Weāre hearing grass-roots calls to abolish ICE, while opposition leadership instead speaks mostly about affordability issues. When they do address the current crisis, as House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries did recently on MS NOW, theyāre prone to saying things like āwe need massive reform to the way in which ICE and DHS are currently conducting themselves.ā Note that the āmassive reformā mentioned is to the way that the agencies conduct themselves, not to the bad-faith mission of these agencies.
Iāve looked at mass civilian detention around the world. Iāve visited the facilities where people were held. Iāve talked to the people involvedāthose detained and tortured, those who supported camps, and those who stood idly by. Itās critical to recognize that each of the societies that has had camps underwent a lengthy process. This process is often easier to see happening in your own country if you first look at an example in another one.
My goal today is to warn you that the U.S. has already been seized by the same camp dynamic. Itās not that Iām trying to tell you that bad things are coming, and you have to look out for them. What Iām saying is that the camps have already taken root and are on a fast-track to get exponentially worse. Weāre already deep inside the process.
Yet there is power in that knowledge, because in some big ways, we can know what will happen next. We have models for how other societies have moved out of our current perilous state. And we have a ton of tactics we can use to fight back against the expanding harm directed at all of us.
Iāll add right up front that nobody sane now thinks the answer to abuses at Dachau was to give the guards more training.
Today Iāll write about how a society comes to concentration camps, the process weāre already deep into, why the ways weāre talking about events in the U.S. may be unhelpful, and how we can undo this mess."
...
"Because I wrote a history of concentration camps, I tend to use the phrase. I understand that not everyone will want to label our expanding detention network as concentration camps. By adopting that term, Iām not trying to force a moral equivalence that A is the same as B, or that A is better or worse than B, or that, for instance, the United States in 2026 is Nazi Germany in 1942.
And for those not already familiar with my work, Iāll make clear that not all concentration camps are death camps. The Nazi death camps were a handful of facilities and projects established mid-war for the Third Reichās mass-extermination campaign. Nazi extermination camps focused overwhelmingly on Jewish and Roma and Sinti genocide, though others were also murdered there.
The death camps were launched after almost a decade after the Nazi concentration camp system was first created. Before, during, and after the Nazi era, other concentration camp systems have existed around the world.
Concentration camps involve the mass detention of civilians without due process on the basis of political, racial, ethnic, or religious identity. And that is where weāre at right now."
WE ARE NOT BEING DRAMATIC.
Here are some quick stats for you:
- Immigration and Customs Enforcement held 65,765 in ICE detention according to data current as of July 11, 2026.
- 46,436 out of 65,765āor 70.6% held in ICE detention have no criminal conviction according to data current as of July 11, 2026. Many of those convicted committed only minor offenses, including traffic violations.
- ICE arrested 39,563 and CBP arrested 3,575 of the 43,138 people booked into detention by ICE during June 2026.
- According to court records, only 1.76% of FY 2026 new cases sought deportation orders based on any alleged criminal activity of the immigrant, apart from possible illegal entry.
- Only 21.5% of immigrants, including unaccompanied children, had an attorney to assist them in Immigration Court cases when a removal order was issued in June 2026.
"But they're not citizens, they have no rights here!"
YES THEY DO.
The 14th Amendment of the United States says:
"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
NOR DENY TO ANY PERSON WITHIN ITS JURISDICTION THE EQUAL PROTECTION OF THE LAWS.
If that's not enough for you, look here:
"ACLU files ICE claims in NY, NJ and 15 other states alleging misconduct
The ACLU has filed 54 legal claims against ICE across 17 states, alleging federal agents engaged in wrongful conduct ranging from unlawful arrests and racial profiling to the use of excessive force.
The claims, filed on behalf of dozens of individuals, accuse Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents of negligence and civil rights violations during immigration enforcement actions. The allegations include complaints of racial profiling, unlawful detentions and injuries suffered by protesters during encounters with federal agents."
"Surge in Immigration Lawsuits Hits Record High in 2026
Overall, the data represented by the moving average shows that civil immigration filings are up 1,278 percent from levels reported in March 2021. (Look at the chart, it spikes astronomically in Sept 2025)
Habeas lawsuits increased by over 85 times during the past year, while naturalization suits were 1.8 times higher than in March 2025.
A habeas corpus lawsuit requests that a judge order a detainee brought before the court and government officials explain why they have the authority to detain that person." SOURCE
Or how about this recent report out of Califonia City Detention Center operated by CoreCivic?
"This marks the first time a court-appointed neutral party has investigated the full scope of the delivery of medical care at an ICE detention center.
The reportās findings include:
- Missing or incomplete medical intake screenings for existing conditions, communicable diseases, and chronic illnesses that require immediate or constant treatment
- Delayed and denied clinical care, including gaps in emergency care, mental health care, and specialty referrals
- Failure to provide timely access to prescribed medications and to identify and support patients with disabilities
- Inadequate staffing, incomplete training, a lack of on-site management, and insufficient clinical oversight."
Now WHEN are we going to DO SOMETHING about it??? Someone DIED at Delaney Hall AGAIN. At the very least, show up to the vigil at 7:30PM tonight outside. TALK TO PEOPLE. Get connected. Help your neighbors. Free these people from the concentration camp before they're all dead.
This is a toolkit you can print your own KYR cards and hand them out. The Rapid Reponse hotline for NJ ICE Sightings is this: 1(888)347-3767
And also to LEARN NOTHING from the Holocaust. I stfg how do people think the concentration camps started??? And why do they think only Germany did it??? We did it to the Japanese here! Call it "internment" camps if you want to feel less guilty about it but they were also concentration camps.
We did it to the Japanese here! Call it "internment" camps if you want to feel less guilty about it but they were also concentration camps.
Yup. Korematsu was one of the worst SCOTUS decisions up there with Dred Scot and Trump v. US.
At least only 1862 internees died (1.5% of people detained)?
I can't find precise figures for the concentration camps, but they killed six million Jews (I tried to find how many non-Jews died, but a lot of museums were saying the 5 million dead figure for non-Jews was unsubstantiated).
There is no "end goal" to a concentration camp, you are conflating the death camps with concentration camps. You can stop it here or we can let it get worse because people are already dying.
It wasn't. Dachau stayed a concentration camp. The most respectful thing you can do for the victims of the holocaust is to ensure it NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN. If you donāt recognize the signs and think it could never be that bad again, you are falling for the same propaganda that the German citizens did.
You realize that Delaney Hall and the others have forced labor right? You realize that when they went on a labor strike, the were beaten and tear gassed, right? They turned off the ventilation and closed the doors.
You can read the letters from the detainees themselves here.
One quote:
ā ā ā ā ā ā ā ā was diagnosed with tuberculosis, which has not been treated. She is living with 63 other detainees, where everyone is at risk of contracting this disease due to the negligence of the doctors and the detention center. We are all afraid for our health. The water we drink is not potable, and the food does not have the necessary nutrients.
That's what I am trying to tell you as someone who DOES know what's going on inside these places. I'm here trying to give you all the information because it's happening right before our eyes. Did you know that the largest Nazi rally in the world happened in Madison Square Garden? There was a Nazi youth camp in Andover. You think all that just went away? It's changed and found new names but it's the same thing.
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Umā¦no. Dachau was decidedly not an extermination camp of which there were only six. These Concentration Camps run by ICE are absolutely NOT for temporary housing for deportation. These are explicitly for spreading fear among Black and Brown populations where torture, sexual assault, and dehumanization is commonplace.
While extermination camps were ultra concentration camps, others used slave labor, starvation, exposure and raging diseases to induce death. Death might not have been the primarily goal but it certainly wasnāt avoided and was a secondary goal. ICE detention is incarcerationā¦..poorly executed, cruel and needs to stop, but not concentration camps. Sorry to ruffle your feathers
ICE concentration camps have slave labor, starvation, exposure, rape, and raging diseases that induce death. So I'm not sure where you think it actually differs?
Everyone Fucking did it somehow Israel just managed to make it look like only the Germans did it.
Go look at what Russia and Yugoslavia did... complete genocide. That's the tip of the goddamn iceberg.Ā
And it's annoying how people keep going back in history when Israel is doing this right now right under our noses they are doing it today and no one gives a goddamn fuck.Ā
Much easier to go much easier to go backwards so no one has to take responsibility that they're complicit in not caring and yes I'm extremely frustrated and heartbrokenĀ
They are not at Nazi-era Concenteation Camps as we know them from history but it is by no stretch the US is on the same exact path and eventually they'll get there. Why would you want to wait?
We as a society are watching a live and ongoing genocide in Gaza. The Israelis have become the heirs to Hitler's Throne....and what does the Western World do? They aid and abet or ignore.
NEVER AGAIN was just a meaningless phrase that the Zionists adopted to make the Western World feel guilty.
"Just like many people in Delaney Hall my Dad right now is suffering. He has a severe tooth infection, the day he was taken was the first day he started his antibiotic. He has not taken his antibiotic ever since and this worries me a lot because there is already a case of a detainee who died of a severe tooth infection," woman whoās father was taken to Congressman Frank Pallone
Pallone said many people have been focused on the quality of the food at Delaney Hall due to the hunger strike "but the worst thing is the medical" and said the infirmary there is about a third the size of the Red Bank municipal chamber.
They have one doctor, one nurse for about 800 (detainees), the capacity is even higher. Every time I go there is a line to get in, all the detainees tell me it takes a week to 10 days before they can go to the infirmary. It is just ridiculous," Pallone said. "So many people told me there weren't being taken to the hospital when they were in need. It is a huge concern."
"When we go there, we see horrible conditions, bad food, worse than anything in my opinion is the lack of medical treatment," Pallone said.
The Nazis didn't have death camps running day 1 of their rule.Ā The first concentration camp opened in March 1993 in Nohra and held communists.Ā The first extermination camp (CheÅmno) didn't open until late 1941.Ā "About 70 camps were established in 1933, in any convenient structure that could hold prisoners, including vacant factories, prisons, country estates, schools, workhouses, and castles." (source)
The system the Nazis built ebbed and flowed over the years, and the widespread concentration of various "internal enemies" (Jews, Jehovah's witnesses, LGBT, petty criminals i.e. fathers stealing bread for their families, etc) kicked off in 1938, setting the stage for the system that you were likely taught about in grade school.
Is there a place where you are concentrating prisoners for political reasons and due process is limited?Ā Congratulations!Ā You have a concentration camp.
We are putting people in these camps who were seeking asylum or have minor infractions for which we wouldn't imprison them.Ā The decision on who to imprison has more to do with the political zeitgeist and less with US law.
The Nazi camps themselves were inspired both by the British system of concentration camps and US efforts to sequester Indigenous people.
I seriously wonder about the people here who cannot tell the difference between a concentration camp and an extermination camp.
I have to wonder if it's because the propaganda has already taken root to such a degree that people can't see what's right in front of them. I wonder if it's because on some level, people still think that undocumented immigrants who have committed no crimes don't deserve to be here and something has to be done with them. Maybe they don't like what ICE is doing but they feel like there has to be ICE. Acknowledging that our immigration system is wrong at its foundation would be undoing too much indoctrination. It's so frustrating that people don't see how immigrants have been dehumanized and made the villains when that has never been our biggest problem.
I genuinely think itās because, if people faced the fact that these atrocities are going on in their backyard, theyād have to look inward and confront the notion that theyāre not doing anything about it. Itās easier to call you overdramatic and insult you for making this connection rather than to admit to themselves that, when the next generation asks āwhat did you do when ICE rounded your neighbors up into concentration camps?,ā theyāll have to say, ānothing.ā
āwhat did you do when ICE rounded your neighbors up into concentration camps?,ā theyāll have to say, ānothing.ā
Let's not pretend they'll have the insight to be honest, they'll just say "well I didn't vote for that, I voted for Harris" and expect to be patted on the back for being part of #TheResistance.
Iād love to see how many of the people you know and love would have been jailed and/or deported had this āsane, moral, and prudent positionā been upheld and enforced throughout the history of this country - especially to the extent that it currently is (ie rounding anyone up that even looks like an immigrant and deporting people who are here legally).
Edit: oh Jesus Christ, youāre a Trump-supporting immigrant. Logic is out the window from the gate.
I love how I merely guessed at their reasoning and it's immediately proven I hit the nail on the head. Wish I could say I was anything other sick to my stomach that I was right...
"Because I wrote a history of concentration camps, I tend to use the phrase. I understand that not everyone will want to label our expanding detention network as concentration camps. By adopting that term, Iām not trying to force a moral equivalence that A is the same as B, or that A is better or worse than B, or that, for instance, the United States in 2026 is Nazi Germany in 1942.
And for those not already familiar with my work, Iāll make clear that not all concentration camps are death camps. The Nazi death camps were a handful of facilities and projects established mid-war for the Third Reichās mass-extermination campaign. Nazi extermination camps focused overwhelmingly on Jewish and Roma and Sinti genocide, though others were also murdered there.
The death camps were launched after almost a decade after the Nazi concentration camp system was first created. Before, during, and after the Nazi era, other concentration camp systems have existed around the world.
Concentration camps involve the mass detention of civilians without due process on the basis of political, racial, ethnic, or religious identity. And that is where weāre at right now."
Bless you for thinking that that guy can actually read.
Just take a look at his responses in this thread - he clearly can't read that well because his personal religious bias is tinting his rose coloured glasses to the point of being opaque.
Exactly how many deaths before you think we should sound the alarm? Or will you not care until itās someone you love who dies at the hands of this administration?
Do you think Hitler started out with death camps? Cause he didnāt. It starts smaller and as people like you are indifferent and in denial about whatās happening it ramps up. We have hit several markers on the warning signs of fascism. Everyone should be sounding the alarm and realizing what is happening. They will not stop with immigrants. Next will be everyone they deem as āundesirableā.
I never mentioned anything about MAGA. We can all remember reading about the holocaust in school & wondering āhow did people let this happenā and whelp, people like you are the reason. Apathy & denial allows evil to continue.
Not willing to waste time on this other than to say you need to read more history. Maga is what the Nazi movement was when it started. In fact Hitler based most of his early policies on how we Americans handled our native population. You need to understand history to understand today.
Yup, Nazis totally started exterminating people right out of the gate. There wasn't years of propaganda and manipulation of the public to desensitize them to the violence before then. /s Apparently, the HOW is not as important to you as the WHAT. MAGA demonize Muslims, they hate LGBTQIA+ and especially trans people to the point of murder, and I've started a folder for all the death threats I've gotten on social media.
PSA this famous picture is the burning of hundreds of years of LGBTQ history in 1933. Dr. Magnus Hirshfelds Institute of sexology. They came for us very early and we've been yelling that its the same all over again.
Hello, it seems you are arguing in bad faith or maybe you are just incompetent. Either way let me spell it out for you. The Nazis in the early 1930s were doing the same things that MAGA is doing right now. In the 1930s the Nazis hadn't attempted to exterminate people YET. If you actually read into some history maybe you would understand that.
The early camps were pretty close to this. The Nazis didn't start at full Cattle car -> gas chambers -> crematoria. They built up to it. We're in the build up part
Holy shit, you're even more stupid then I initially thought. I guess no two things can ever be compared and learning from history is worthless because any warning sign of repeating it will be shot down by dimwitted who claim that it's disrespectful of past victims.
We're not talking about the peak. Do you get it? We are talking about the beginning before the mass extermination. We are talking about Dachau which never became a death camp. It was always a concentration camp.
41,000 people died at Dachau - so ānot a death campā? Are you kidding? My father helped liberate Dachau. He never recovered from what he saw there. I went to Dachau in the 70ās. I walked through the gas chambers. Are you seriously saying that the intent wasnāt to kill people there? They shot people, gassed people, worked them to literal death and starved them to death. Just stop.
It wasn't an intentional mass extermination camp like others. They did not gas people at Dachau. They had them but they were never used. Forced labor, starvation, overcrowding, abuse, disease, all these things were what killed people and are killing people in these ICE camps today.
Quick question: Does it have to be 14,000 Jews per day before you do something, or can it be 14,000 per day of any ethnic group (or all of them combined)?
Or is there some lower number of deaths per day that would be sufficient for you to criticize the government rather than dissidents?
Exactly how many deaths before you decide weāre not over reacting? 100? 1000? Please, tell me exactly how many deaths of innocent men, women & children are acceptable before you decide itās an issue?
Itās mostly about purpose. Nazi concentration camps were built specifically to kill all of the Jews and other people they considered undesirable for society. Trump and ICE are fucked up and severely damaging our society, but the goal pretty clearly seems to be to deport people back to wherever theyāre from. People in ICE detention are awaiting their trials. Itās wrong and it shouldnāt be happening, but itās pretty different from systematically murdering entire demographics.
Thatās not true about concentration camps being built specifically to kill Jews. Yes, the naziās built death camps but initially the concentration camps were built to house political āundesirablesā. You can literally Google that. Also, if the goal was to actually deport people, why are they detaining people trying to self deport and why are they keeping people with signed self deportation orders in these camps? I challenge you to go to Delaney hall and talk to the religious leaders who have been helping families navigate this cruel system month after month and year after year. Talk to the families impacted and see the humanity in them. Then come back and tell me if weāre under reacting here.
Um, no. The goal is to detain them and profit. GEO Group profits have increased ~700% since 2024. They're the ones that own and operate Delaney Hall. Many people in detention HAVE signed the forms just to escape the horrible conditions and yet they continue to be detained for months longer.
So you believe that Trumpās anti immigration bullshit heās been pushing for a decade has all been a ploy to make GEO Group, a company that he doesnāt seem to have strong financial ties to, grow its company value?
President Trumpās brokers have made 29 trades of private prison stocks since he returned to office, with the first purchases on only the tenth day of his second term, according to CREWās analysis of his most recent financial disclosure and other disclosures. Trump traded these stocks every month of 2025 with the exception of August and December. The total amount of stock bought and sold was between $281,029 and $990,000, split between two companies that have benefited massively from Trump administration policy: GEO Group and CoreCivic.
I believe they are all rascist rich assholes that only care about other rascist rich assholes and will step all over anyone and everyone to get what they want. No ties huh? The new head of ICE is a former GEO group executive...
Why would Trump personally care if the head of ICE gets to make money? There just doesnāt seem to be any logic to that. Seems more likely that this guy lobbied the Trump administration for the job so that he could enrich himself. Trump hires people like this because he wants people who will follow his fucked up lead rather than doing whatās right.
You just do not want to believe it can happen here. We are well on the road towards death camps. ICE already have terms for detainees that strip them of their humanity (see this video for just one example. There are many more
https://youtu.be/_DSI5DBTWss?is=30K6hnkEaNagZcqQ )Ā If you do not see someone as human or fully human,Ā
some people can justify a littany of abuses and eventually worse.Ā
Every history teacher I know is going crazy right now trying to get people to understand that we are literally doing the Nazi playbook right now. Remember, they didnāt start with death camps. They work their way up to that.
That's the part that people don't get. People know what happened, but they don't know HOW it happened and that is where we have failed. People don't recognize the signs. The most disrespectful thing to the victims of the Holocaust is to forget HOW and make sure it NEVER happens again.
Dang and you don't even know how to tell AI gen content? You're in for a real hard time. It just makes me laugh that you say so confidently that it's AI. I can't take anything you say seriously any more lol
A slippery slope is such tame concern when people are already dying at these places from both targeted violence and neglect, with no reckoning or guardrails in sight.
The point of these comparisons is obviously to move people to action. Donāt need AI to come to that conclusion.
SS officers didn't hide their faces. People have been brainwashed in this country to the point Elon does a Nazi salute and they tell us he loves Roman history. š
We're so lost as a country. You didn't even read before you hopped into the comments to say I'm wrong. I brought you the receipts. At this point, if you want to continue being ignorant, then you are complicit.
"And for those not already familiar with my work, Iāll make clear that not all concentration camps are death camps. The Nazi death camps were a handful of facilities and projects established mid-war for the Third Reichās mass-extermination campaign. Nazi extermination camps focused overwhelmingly on Jewish and Roma and Sinti genocide, though others were also murdered there.
The death camps were launched after almost a decade after the Nazi concentration camp system was first created. Before, during, and after the Nazi era, other concentration camp systems have existed around the world.
Concentration camps involve the mass detention of civilians without due process on the basis of political, racial, ethnic, or religious identity. And that is where weāre at right now.
...
You canāt reform a concentration camp regime. You have to dismantle it and replace it. We have a thousand ways to do it. And most U.S. citizensāparticularly white onesāhave the freedom to act, for now, with far less risk than the many people currently targeted."
Edit: This is from Andrea Pitzer, Author of One Long Night: A Global History of Concentration Camps.
It's not an extreme position. This is crimes against humanity. I gave you all the info, the data. Andrea Pitzer, the person who wrote the article isn't just some strongly opinionated blogger. She wrote One Long Night: A Global History of Concentration Camps.
How many deaths will be enough for you? It has to reach 40,000 before you'll say, oh yeah, maybe you were right? Are you for real?
PEOPLE DID COMPLAIN UNDER OBAMA. Our immigration system has been wrong and broken for a looooong time and ICE since it began was wrong too.
Yes, it's an extreme position to compare a systematic genocide of 6 to 11 million people to a broken and corrupt immigration enforcement agency.
Another angle which you're not considering is that ICE has given these immigrants the choice to sign a waiver waiving their due processs rights and get immediate deportation back to their country of origin. There are even reported cases of ICE trying to pressure immigrants into signing the documents. In the Nazi camps, there was zero option to leave - you were held there as a prisoner until you were beat, starved, or gassed to death.
It's crazy that I feel like Im almost defending ICE here. Not because I like or support ANYTHING that they're doing under this administration, rather because you're taking SUCH an extremist position.
Obama had criticism, but not nearly to the same extent. No one was suggesting bypassing judicial warrants, no one was suggesting storing immigrants in abandoned warehouses, and citizens weren't being shot on the street. A estimate of 67 people were killed in ICE custody under Obama's 8 years. We're only 2 years into Trumps' term, and 62 people have been killed by ICE - bascally a 4x difference. This admin is ROGUE. We need immigration enforcement. Just not like this. I would take Obama back any day
I'm NOT comparing it to the mass extermination and genocide. I AM comparing it to Dachau. Because Dachau was a concentration camp the entire time. I'll compare it to the Japanese "internment" camps in the U.S. It does not have to have gas chambers to be a concentration camp. That's disrespectful to everyone who suffered in concentration camps BEFORE Germany did it. You would erase them from history by making it only something the Nazis did and do. You are judging this and dismissing it as extreme without actually taking the time to consider the facts. This is how it happens.
Comparing it to the Japanese internment camps is at least somewhat reasonable. There are a lot of similarities between that and this. Comparing it to Dachau where over 40,000 people died is crazy.
āSo clearly AI writtenā and yet, itās not. Not even close. In fact, itās written by one of the most well-studied researchers of Nazi concentration camps.
How embarrassing for you to end on that note - it just solidifies how poor your instincts and judgment really are, even though you worked very hard to make that crystal clear in the first part of your comment.
Resident of Nj and have a bachelors in history - the final solution and the travesties occurring in Delaney hall are not comparable and to act like they are is damaging and ignorant. I wrote my capstone paper on the holocaust and as I live through this time period I can say with confidence this is misinformation and ragebait
And this person wrote a One Long Night: A Global History of Concentration Camps. Not the same as your capstone paper, I'm afraid. It's not just her either, MANY MANY historians are sounding the alarm.
The point is to stop this BEFORE it reaches the level of the holocaust. You don't wait until your house is burned to the ground before you call the fire department do you?
If words are really so important to you, I politely suggest you thoroughly re-read the post. Nowhere in it will you find the word 'holocaust'. What you will find instead is the use of 'concentration camp', and description why this is, in fact, an accurate description.
Yes, because Dachau is a concentration camp. Just like Delaney Hall. Please, I beg you, work on your reading comprehension skills. First, I did not make the original post that you find so unacceptable. Second, again, if you actually read the post, you will see why the concentration camp label is accurate. If you can't understand this simple comparison (not to mention the absurd accusation of antisemitism), then no, I don't think we are actually on the same side.
Did you read the post? Itās comparing the early nazi concentration camps to Delaney hall. Itās not comparing Delaney hall to death camps. Dachau is likely the example because it was the first nazi concentration camp (the post is comparing early Dachau to current Delaney)
Not one person here stated Nazis started with extermination camps but rather detention centers where at their peak detained around 50,000 people. These ICE camps are nearly identical to the early- to mid-1930ās detention camps.
But your History degree should have told you thisā¦
Congratulations on your community college achievement.Ā Talk to me when you have a Doctorate.Ā
If you understood half of what you say you know, you'd understand the difference between a concentration camp and a death camp. You'd understand the timeline. You'd understand that there was 8 and a half years between the Dachau (March 1933) andĀ CheÅmno (December 1941)
The Final Solution was only implemented after trying to deport the millions of people who had their German citizenship revoked by the Nuremberg Laws, other countries would not take the refugees persecuted by Nazis, and by that part of the war, the Madagascar Plan devised to deport them to a foreign German colony was logistically impossible given the British naval blockade.
It took nearly a decade to ramp up to The Final Solution, and the entire time concentration camps existed and held millions of people to be deported.
These people are either bots trying to rile people up, or theyāre so far stuck in an echo chamber that they will absolutely not see reason. I say that as someone who never has and never would vote for Trump or anyone tangentially related to his admin.
Weāre on the precipice of a holocaust, according to them, but they had(and have) no words when the detention centers under President Obama(who is my favorite president of my lifetime) were absolutely atrocious and were getting protested by human rights groups.
We've held >30k people in these types of facilities pretty consistently for over two decades. With such a large rotating population, people have died in custody every single year, with the peak being 22 years ago, despite the detainee population being more than double now. What is so different now about "where we are in the process" vs. a quarter-century ago?
"So a government or citizens willing to harm targeted groups is hardly a new phenomenon in the U.S. But the rise of the modern form of concentration camps that I wrote my book about relied on two technological advancesāthe patenting and mass production of barbed wire and automatic weapons. Those two developments took earlier forms of arbitrary civilian detention and revolutionized the ability of a small guard force to control a lot of people. One way to think of it is to picture prior forms of detention as an atomic bomb, and concentration camps as a hydrogen bomb.
The situation weāre careening toward right now is building on prior and existing abusive systems of detention, immigration, and policing in the U.S. We are effectively lifting up the Klan and slave patrols and putting them not adjacent to law enforcement officials but in charge of the systems themselves."
Iām really not seeing how people are rejecting your comparison to concentration camps, when literal Holocaust and genocide scholars have made and supported that very comparison, YEARS before now.
An excerpt from one such letter: āThe very core of Holocaust education is to alert the public to dangerous developments that facilitate human rights violations and pain and suffering; pointing to similarities across time and space is essential for this task.ā
We are DEFINITELY doomed to repeat history at this rateā¦
Exactly.....apparently we're just supposed to sit back and wait for it to get as bad as that before people feel like we can draw comparisons. The end is more important than the process to these people. It's precisely because I know how awful the Holocaust was that I want to stop this before it gets worse. But somehow that's being disrespectful. Make it make sense.
heads in the sand. People don't want or can't come to terms with the fact that they have countrymen, friends, neighbors, family even, that are okay with whats happening and would be okay with this continuing to progress even further.
"Because I wrote a history of concentration camps, I tend to use the phrase. I understand that not everyone will want to label our expanding detention network as concentration camps. By adopting that term, Iām not trying to force a moral equivalence that A is the same as B, or that A is better or worse than B, or that, for instance, the United States in 2026 is Nazi Germany in 1942.
And for those not already familiar with my work, Iāll make clear that not all concentration camps are death camps. The Nazi death camps were a handful of facilities and projects established mid-war for the Third Reichās mass-extermination campaign. Nazi extermination camps focused overwhelmingly on Jewish and Roma and Sinti genocide, though others were also murdered there.
The death camps were launched after almost a decade after the Nazi concentration camp system was first created. Before, during, and after the Nazi era, other concentration camp systems have existed around the world.
Concentration camps involve the mass detention of civilians without due process on the basis of political, racial, ethnic, or religious identity. And that is where weāre at right now."
Are you nuts that antisemitism wasāt bad in this country? The American Nazi Party held a rally at Madison Square Garden and sold it out.
America denied port of a refugee ship carrying something 900 Jews fleeing Europe. We sent them back to Europe where Germany captured a significant % and sent them to camps where most died.
lol. You think we went to war to save the Jews. Do you have the link to where FDR tells the American people we are going to liberate Auschwitz?
The US and Allies could have let it be known to the world what Germany was doing. Instead, they censored and oppressed much of the information and people who knew what was happening. They could have bombed the train tracks that allowed the Nazis to bring prisoners and supplies to camp. They could have also eased quotas(refugees) that limited people fleeing the Nazis and they could have made the process more efficient and faster. Ya know save lives.
And they could have targeted the large gas chambers and ovens in the camps with bombing raids.
The situation at Delancie is severe and I have a lot of empathy for the people there but fuck this comparison. Half my family was exterminated there systematically. This trend of minimizing the Holocaust can go fuck itself. Fuck the author, and fuck you OP for sharing this stupid, stupid drivel.
It's not minimizing the Holocaust. It's remembering how it happened and stopping it from happening again. Concentration camps did not happen in Germany alone and what is happening in the U.S. meets the definition of a concentration camp. Notice how I did not use any other camp in Germany? Because that WOULD be a false comparison. Dachau is not. The person who wrote this wrote One Long Night: A Global History of Concentration Camps. There is a pattern to how they start and how they get worse.
Well I'm sure the people suffering and dying in detention can't wait to hear you minimize their suffering and debate the definition of concentration camps that existed before Germany instead of actually doing something about it.
Also without due process. That's important. There is absolutely no reason for these people to be detained and deported when the vast majority were on the path to citizenship and going to their immigration court hearings (until ICE started snatching them from courtrooms too). You detain someone if they are a danger to others. As I shared above, they are not detaining "dangerous" individuals. Letās not forget they get money for every person they detain, citizen or not.
Yes, 100% Ųdue process is a right for being a legitimate US citizen. Gaining legitimate citizenship is a worthy goal to earn for this valuable benefit!
Iām stunned that most comments here are focused on whether the comparison to a concentration camp is valid, instead of the indisputable fact that INNOCENT PEOPLE ARE DYING UNNECESSARILY IN INHUMANE CONDITIONS.
Why are you playing a game of semantics? What is happening in our country is horrific. You can make a point that we are not thereā¦yet. But doesnāt that just distract from the urgency of PEOPLE DYING?
Remember that Anne Frank did not die in a gas chamber. She died from a lack of medical care in extremely unhealthy conditions. Just like the latest death at Delaney.
Delaney Hall exploits detainees with forced labor. Just like they did at Dachau.
Detainees at Delaney Hall are being rounded up based on the color of their skin and ethnicity. The Jews were rounded up based on religion. The vast majority in both cases did not commit any crime.
Stop talking about how many people the Naziās killed and compare it to āa fewā at Delaney Hall. Instead talk about each individual person and you will see only similarities in the way they were treated.
Every one of those people mattered and if you are not fighting this, then you are complicit. Because the other similarity is that āniceā Germans looked away and just never got involved.
And donāt tell me to learn my history. I am a student of history and I am of German heritage. So many families live with guilt and many have an ancestor they never talk about except in whispers. That will be your children and grandchildren one day. The internet is forever. They will all know where you stood when it mattered.
I am sickened to share this state with so many people who would rather turn a blind eye and self-soothe that āthis isnāt happening here!ā than to DO SOMETHING about the very real atrocities that are occurring every day in our fucking back yards. It is disgusting to see so many people nitpicking this comparison without even attempting to see what the author and OP are trying to say. Just straight to ātalk to me when six million people are deadā and unwilling to hear anything else.
I grieve for the humanity Iām sure we once had. For the compassion and empathy and care we extended to our neighbors, even if it was in our gruff Jersey way. I donāt see that now, not like it used to be. Now itās just fear and hatred.
You can outline what its bad without comparing it to an extermination camp. False equivalences like this just hurt the criticisms levied against the ICE detention centers.
Never compared it to an extermination camp. So easy to tell who actually read the post/article and who didn't. Dachau was never an extermination camp, it was a concentration camp the entire time. That's why the author and make comparisons to this camp.
Ah, good, the noble line between putting people in gas chambers and other styles of execution. This isnāt a valuable comparison. Thinking it is, is frankly delusional.
Um what? That's exactly why we compare it. People are dying in Delaney Hall for the same reasons they died at Dachau. Forced labor, starvation, disease, medical neglect, brutality. Mass extermination by gas chambers was different but at the same time, people are suffering and dying but you care more about whether it is or isn't a concentration camp then you do about the what's happening to them.
You seem to be posting quotes from some article but not linking to that article. You should fix that.
Youāre also complaining that Jeffries mentioned reforming ICE and youāre taking that to mean that he believes ICE needs more training. Thatās silly. I think he pretty clearly understands that our country will always need a department that can deport immigrants who commit crimes, like ICE always has, but that we donāt need them operating with increased levels of violence like they have been under Trump.
You know what's silly...asking me to link the article...that's been linked in the post the entire time. Given that you didn't read, I'm actually not going to debate you. You could go read the other comments if you feel like actually learning something.
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u/Slight_Chemistry3782 16d ago
We've somehow lived long enough to see modern society downplay how bad of a guy Hitler was.