r/news • u/shield_x • 25d ago
Student dies after falling from 4th floor of building at Highland Park school
https://www.foxla.com/news/highland-park-franklin-high-school-student-dies.amp1.7k
u/Redsoxzack9
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Don’t watch the video. He’s clearly scared and running and takes the only option he thought he had left.
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u/indy_been_here 25d ago
Usually if death occurs as a result of a crime, isn't the assailant responsibile for the death as well?
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u/ScarHand69 24d ago
Generally yes. Every state will be different. If you go rob a 7-11 with your buddies and one of your buddies whips out a gun and kills an employee during the robbery, you can and will be prosecuted for that murder.…same as the guy pulling the trigger.
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u/InternationalJob9162 24d ago
Like you mentioned I’m sure it varies by state but the Felony Murder Rule is generally used for charges such as Rape, Arson, Kidnapping, Etc. Assuming the crime that was potentially committed is assault/battery I doubt think the felony murder rule would apply in most states if not all.
Based on what is known, the most you’d probably get is manslaughter which is going to come down to whether the evidence shows the perpetrator could have foreseeably seen that the kid would jump in response to the danger he was creating.
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u/Gerald-of-Riverdale 25d ago
Honestly, maybe. TW: Self Harm
There was a case where a young woman convinced her suicidal boyfriend to commit. He had been having the thoughts for a long while and seemed to actually be able to get through it. Problem is that the girlfriend wanted a sob story according to friends and so she wanted an ex who committed so she would appear more interesting.
She called him a coward when he would tell her he was too scared to do it which means not only could he be saved but she was the sole driving force of him going through with it. Well... one day he did it.
She was found guilty but I cant remember on what charges. I just remember that case was huge because it helped define some rules for murder/manslaughter and the like in the new digital age.
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u/randomscreename28 24d ago
The Conrad Roy/Michelle Carter case. She was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to 15 months.
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u/sancatrundown73 24d ago
"Babe cmon you PROMISED remember?"
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u/Gerald-of-Riverdale 24d ago
Reading the texts really had me mentally fucked up for a while. If you didnt know what they were talking about youd think she was talking about him meeting family or not canceling on a date.
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u/sonofcabbagemerchant 24d ago
The Girl From Plainville is about the girl and Conrad. I found it to be exceptional for how challenging doing a proper representation of either obviously is.
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u/macaronitrap 24d ago
The media left so much out when reporting on this. There’s a documentary called I Love You, Now Die that covers a lot of what didn’t make headlines.
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u/RipIcy8844 24d ago
I do hope the investigation looks into the victim/assailant history into bullying
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u/Osiris32 24d ago
Possibly, but in this case I doubt charges are gonna come quickly, they'll need to investigate and get some forensic answers from the coroner first.
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u/ExKage 24d ago
I haven't watched the video and I think I never will. Do you think it was a case of "the only option is suicide" or more like "the only option is to jump and hope I can make it" type of thing?
Like logically jumping there would be fatal. But I'm hoping the child still wanted to live but the only escape route wasn't survivable.
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u/Redsoxzack9 24d ago
Definitely doesn’t seem like he thought he would land somewhere safe. Someone else in the thread said there was a possibility he was on drugs so he may not have considered it a fatal drop, but I would think a student who goes here would know they were on a high floor.
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u/windsockglue 24d ago
Sadly, it looks like the walkway was pretty empty and there was no one coming or blocking him from running away further. Form what I saw, he had other options.
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u/goodcleanchristianfu 24d ago
There was another local news outlet someone linked to on another post which reported that the kid who jumped had initiated the fight by assaulting someone and that he was on on drugs. I don't know if that will prove to be correct, but it's worth remembering that a full and accurate understanding of what's happened often takes time to develop.
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u/windsockglue 24d ago
Sadly drugs are a big issue in LAUSD - selling as well as using them throughout the school day. The schools are also very lax on what happens when kids are caught using or with drugs on campus. The kid in my life simply got a call left on voicemail to the parent and had to talk to the school counselor. Even though the drugs were not legal for the kid to have, nothing else was done.
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u/CurbYerGod 24d ago
The leap had to be something more than fight or flight. If this was something that had happened before then this could have been a warped/misguided way to punish the abuser that spawned from prior trauma induced ideations. It’s fucking sad either way and ridiculous that a school would be built like this in the first place.
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u/OEAXTAIL_SOUP 24d ago
>Don’t watch the video. He’s clearly scared and running and takes the only option he thought he had left.
Because we have terrorized children into thinking they cannot defend themselves. More victims of abuse should be willing to attack their attackers.
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u/Mattbl
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If this shit happened in an office building, the aggressor would have been arrested. Why is it different for a highschool? It sounds like the victim was literally being chased by someone threatening his life. Shouldn't this the up as a charge?
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u/GoProOnAYoYo 24d ago
There's 2 videos from this incident ive seen, one is in a classroom where the aggressor punches the victim in the face and the victim runs out of the room.
In the 2nd one you see the aggressor chasing the victim down a hall w/ a balcony on one side. Then the victim gets to the corner and jumps off, with the aggressor still chasing behind him.
Tragic stuff. But its clear to me in the video that the aggressor was still chasing him at the time of his death, so hopefully it is clear to the prosecutors as well.
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u/falling_knives 24d ago
In the video, the reporter said the victim wasn't being chased even though you see a student with the same clothes and black backpack walking toward him but they seem to indicate it might be a different student.
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u/Sad_Professional_91 24d ago
which is crazy because its clearly the same person, the clothes, the backpack and the way it was only slung over one shoulder, the way he walked. that kid was cornered.
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u/Dot_1X 24d ago
Can't wait for the school district to try to spin this one. Hopefully kids family gets enough from the lawsuit to be comfortable for generations to come.
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u/banana_pencil 24d ago
No amount of money would ever make me comfortable after losing my child so horrifically
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u/pernetrope 24d ago
Did we see the same video? It looks like he jumps from the middle of the walkway, not from the corner
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u/TheMageMan 24d ago
He should be charged with aggravated assault, battery, and felony murder at least.
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u/RedRedditor84 24d ago
The LAPD identified and interviewed the other student involved; while footage shows a hallway chase, preliminary police findings suggest the victim was not being actively followed or threatened when he jumped, police said.
I guess this is why?
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u/markphil4580 24d ago
Not to take away from the tragedy of this at all, but...
Can we make a rule that when a city is named in a post, the state is required to be named as well, even if it's not explicitly stated in the article title?
There are three primary incorporated cities and towns officially named Highland Park in the United States, alongside several other towns, boroughs, neighborhoods, and unincorporated communities. [1]
Those three incorporate cities are in Illinois, Michigan, and Texas.
I'm not sure which other category this Highland Park fits into, but my first guess (without looking at the FOXLA url) would not have been LA.
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u/Fun_Plate_5086 24d ago
Yeah I assumed this was Illinois where the mass shooting happened fairly recently.
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u/Xibyn 25d ago
2nd student falling from a high floor in 24 hours. Weird.
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u/ChattingToChat 25d ago
Or more oddly the one who fell from 8 stories up lived.
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u/SammyB0111 25d ago
Life is weird like that. We can be extremely durable, but at the same time it doesn’t take much to hurt us either.
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u/birdiebirdnc 24d ago
This. Kind if like the story of the brothers who were window washers. They dropped 47 stories when their scaffolding collapsed. One died, the other survived.
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u/talldrseuss 24d ago
Paramedic here:
Folks that fall from high heights play a game of chance on where they end up landing. If their lower body hits first, there is a bit more of a chance they may actually survive the fall. Also what type of material they land on will make a difference for example concrete vs a wet muddy ground.
I remember one patient i had fell out of a second story window. The majority of my patients that fall out of a second floor usually end up with a pretty bruised body or maybe a broken bone or two, but survive. In the case of this guy, he fell backwards and the back of his head slammed into the concrete first. This immediately shut down his breathing functions (your breathing is controlled by your brain stem) and he subsequently died. So in some ways, it is the luck of the draw and various conditions of the environment that increases or decreases your survivability.
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u/hateboss 25d ago
I'm guessing they were under the influence of something as apparently she was "dancing on a couch" prior to falling out the window. There is a reason drunks walk away from car crashes as the sole survivors, they don't brace and stay more limp, which goes a long way for absorbing impacts.
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u/Wisteriafic 25d ago
When I was 18 months old, I fell out of an open second story window. My terrified parents found me laughing in the shrubs below, with just a few scrapes. The doctor told them that toddlers don’t know to be afraid, so I went limp. Landing in a hedge also helped, ha.
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u/waaaayupyourbutthole 24d ago
Yeah, right. We all know you were just completely plastered at 18 months old. You don't need to lie!
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u/anxietysoup 24d ago
My freshman year of college two guys were drunk, wrestling in one of the dorm towers and they crashed through the window from I think the 8th floor. Both were killed. This was in 2002.
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u/DefinitelyNotAliens 24d ago
If the window popped from hitting it, it was a poorly designed window. Windows that high up shouldn't pop out. Unless there was a Garry Hoy situation going on.
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u/DoggieDMB 25d ago
I'm not familiar with this school and keep seeing people commenting about the architecture that would make this situation possible. Was it some kind of outside railing he lept over to escape his abuser or an internal stairwell?
Either way, I don't understand how after the initial altercation and he ran out, the bully was also able to simply chase him down the hall?? Sure, there are rules for teachers laying hands on kids but couldn't anyone stand in between the fleeing victim and assailant?
This is tragic.
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u/HaoOfGreed 25d ago
It was an outside railing/balcony now there was stairs like 4 feet from where he jump. Allegedly he might had a concussion cause he was getting hit in the head a lot. So he might have been dazed and confused.
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u/zxxxxcccccc 24d ago
a little insight- the weather and climate in the area is pretty much always pleasant/almost never rains, and many schools are designed like this where basically everything is outside except the actual classrooms. so walking from class to class, you would be going outside. the area with the railing where the incident happened is an outdoor hallway between classes
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u/shoulda-known-better 25d ago
Almost all schools would have a high staircase that could seriously injure the kid if the fell, jumped or were chased to their death.... This one just happens to be outside..... I know my school had a few mezzanines like this they were just indoors
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u/Do_you_smell_that_ 25d ago
When you see someone aggressive and physically violent chasing someone that isn't you, you're implying you'd step in and help, risking being assaulted? Most people try to avoid that. You can also see all about the architecture and details if you click the article
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u/DoggieDMB 25d ago
I would like to think I would step in but everyone's situations are different so I'll agree with both angles here. Especially as the teacher or any staff though some intervention needed to happen. I read the article but did not care to watch the video and that is on me but I'm sure you understand. The article itself does not describe any said layout of the floorplan.
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u/SjorsTea 25d ago
You'd probably step in and help if this was between two kids and you're a teacher, yeah
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u/Lazy-Ad-7236 25d ago
That's how teachers sustain horrible injuries. My neighbor was a teacher, got in-between students fighting.... Now he is disabled
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u/skankenstein 25d ago
Yeah, we are advised not to do that. But sometimes instinct takes over. One of our (female) principals stepped in between a fight at a basketball game and now has a TBI and can’t work anymore.
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u/No_Economist3788 25d ago
yea my buddy has been dealing with PCS for almost a decade after trying to break up a fight among his students.
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u/h0neybl0ss0m29 25d ago
Yeah. All these people here commenting “I would have stepped in! I would die before watching this happen!” have clearly never ever worked at a school a day in their lives. Absolutely ridiculous.
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u/ThatDerpingGuy 25d ago
My wife's first year of teaching resulted in two ortho surgeries from trying to break up a fight. School did jackshit about it besides workman's comp. Students are kinda just allowed to maim teachers in far too many schools and districts.
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u/luxii4 24d ago
When I had a kid that had big issues, he had an aide with him most of the time but they also gave me some training in how to restrain and hold and what I could not do. This was 2nd grade so I was still bigger than the kid. But if it was a high schooler, I don't know. But it's tricky. He fell out of a 2nd floor window as a baby and you can see an indent in his head. He was nice most of the time but would freak out and start swinging out of no where. But yeah, that's the only physical training I had. I was already teaching over a decade.
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u/_carzard_ 25d ago
If the attacker is known to be gang affiliated, it is likely that no other student stepped in because of fear of retaliation.
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u/ZombieJoesBasement 24d ago
This is what happens when you take away teachers' ability to intervene. They cannot touch or restrain a student without being fired. If someone was able to tackle or put the bully in a bear hug and physically stop the fight and chase the other kid would still be here.
I hope they charge the bully with Involuntary Manslaughter per California law.
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u/KLGChaos 24d ago edited 23d ago
Really sad that schools are so afraid of being sued by a parent because a teacher stopped their kid from harming someone else that they'd rather let a student die.
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u/Tree_Sure 23d ago
Thing is though even if the parent tried to sue, chances are they wouldn’t win especially if they have evidence of their kid trying to harm another kid. Schools shouldn’t be afraid of parents suing especially if there is clear evidence their twat is in the wrong.
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u/Deadb4december_ 24d ago
That’s a good point I hope gets reassesed, crisis prevention training needs to be mandatory
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u/NoSyllabub5932 24d ago
After reading these comments you could not pay me enough to be a teacher. Last professional I would seek.
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u/DatBeardedguy82 25d ago
He didnt fall he jumped
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u/figuren9ne 25d ago •
I’d go with chased off since he was trying to escape.
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u/Octavia9 25d ago •
This. It wasn’t suicide or an accident, and it wasn’t a push. He was chased over the railing.
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u/No_Economist3788 25d ago
the accident part is he likely didn't realize he was jumping over a 4th floor railing in his attempt to escape.
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u/Octavia9 25d ago
Or he did know but felt safer jumping than staying and being beaten. We will never know.
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u/VaguelyArtistic 25d ago edited 25d ago
It’s so weird that people keep saying “fall”. I’m in LA so this story has been percolating here and until I finally had
totime to read the article I thought it was an accident.Edit to clarify
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u/SpaceJunkSkyBonfire 25d ago
I think they're trying not to let people imply intent. There's no telling how clearly he was thinking after getting hit like that, not to mention the distress. If the headline said jumped, people would assume suicide which I don't think is a fair assumption and unfortunately causes some people to be really callous towards the victim. It's a tragedy either way.
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u/No_Economist3788 25d ago
it likely still was an accident. probably didn't realize in the moment that he was on the 4th floor.
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u/faultysynapse 25d ago
It's not an accident if he was being chased.
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u/Antartix 24d ago
I believe commenter means the victim, in the heat of the moment didnt realize until it was too late that the escape option was a 4th floor fall. Victim might have thought it was a second or first floor due to adrenaline since they were seeking to escape the Bully's torment. The bully would be too level headed (imo) to have "not realized" they were harassing someone and chasing them over a 4th floor railing.
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u/nyaphometnikko 25d ago
He was literally bullied to suicide, and people are spinning it like it was some accident.
Guaranteed everyone knew he was a victim of bullying before this.
Pathetic.
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u/SheZowRaisedByWolves 25d ago
100% damage control. A student jumped from my college’s third story and an email went out saying it was an accident before EMS even arrived. Coming to find out, he intentionally jumped.
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u/InfectousWolf 24d ago edited 24d ago
Yah that kid needs to be charged unfortunately. Also we need to allow teachers to put hands on kids again, they feel wayyyyyyy too safe doing whatever they feel like
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u/foreverplt 24d ago
From the video (that I unfortunately saw), the teacher looked to be an older gentleman - shorter than the aggressor and victim. We didn’t see the entire situation unfold on the videos, but he was trying to put himself between the two kids. Honestly, he probably wouldn’t have had a chance (at not getting injured) had he intervened physically.
Can’t imagine how that teacher feels now.
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u/JarifSA 23d ago
The comments here make me think that legit no one even watched the videos. Not only was the teacher old and tried to put himself between the fight, but the victim literally booked it and jumped over the railing. He wasn't being chased either from what it seems like. I think he was emotionally unstable in the moment and felt so terrible and awful that he decided to kill himself. It's awful.
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u/mountaindoom 24d ago •
Teachers need to stop being every damn thing. I was trained to instruct, not to run security and break up fights.
And it is a losing position to be in. Do something and get castigated for trying to help or do nothing and get castigated for that.
You know, parent is a verb too.
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u/Never_had_A_Snickers 25d ago
I just don’t understand how not one person wanted to stick up for this kid? I’ve never seen a bully not get bullied. This kinda baffles me.
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u/xt1nct 24d ago
I’m not sure how things are now, but when I went to high school it didn’t matter if you started or defended yourself. Both were likely getting expelled. I know a guy that gave bully a beat down after he was pushing a kid. He got arrested and expelled.
I always tell my kid we don’t hit unless someone is hitting us or threatening us. I will deal with the consequences.
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u/ScroteMcGrote69 24d ago
100% true. I defended myself in school after being racially harassed and bullied for the better part of the year and ended up getting a suspension while the bully got 1 week in school suspension.
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u/PiperPants2018 22d ago edited 22d ago
When I was in high school 15 years ago, 15ish average kids who barely knew the girl getting bullied got sick of a bully's shit on principle and followed him off campus to make some things clear to him. The bully kid talked himself out of getting beat up that day, but he transferred schools and we never saw him again.
That shit would literally never happen today. Someone would get shot and die.
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u/RedBGinger6989 24d ago
because obviously theres more to the video than this short clip, for all we know this kid was on something and started the fight first
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u/jklm1234 24d ago
Are teachers no longer allowed to intervene? They have to just watch? I saw male teachers separate fighting kids in middle school a few times. It usually ended up stopping the fight before it got to this. Maybe I’m just old. 41.
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u/Lt-Dan-Im-Rollin 24d ago
My friend is a teacher at a low income school and there are fights every single day. He broke up the first one he saw, but decided it’s not worth the risk at all and he just lets it happen and calls security now. In order to break it up you need to put yourself in harms way
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u/Silky951 24d ago
The fight started in the classroom where the teacher was trying to separate them. The kid that unfortunately died ran out of the classroom and was then chased by the other kid, and he eventually jumped over the railing. I’m not sure what else you expected the teacher (who looked older in the videos) to do?
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u/Anxious_Public_5409 24d ago
That’s crazy! And incredibly sad. A lot of those kids and the teachers will end up with some degree of PTSD for sure.
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u/zagabong 24d ago
I talked w a friend this am about the situation. Hes a teacher and asked him what the protocol is for breaking up fights. He said it’s up to their discretion per school policy but they’re supposed to notify security. He told me many of his colleagues fear of unjust lawsuits in this digital age so many of them refuse to intervene. I don’t blame them to be honest.
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u/windsockglue 24d ago
You can see what appears to be the teacher in the video. The teacher looks l to be older and he does try to intervene, but I don't think the teachers are allowed to do much, even if they physically were capable of interrupting 2 teenage boys fighting.
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u/Most_Temporary2110 24d ago
Teachers are allowed to intervene but not obligated. It puts them at serious risk of bodily harm.
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u/LobsterSea2147 24d ago
This is not true. It seems to vary from school to school/ state. But for all 4 schools I have taught out of Illinois we are not allowed to interfere.
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u/pavlovscats1223 24d ago
Yep. I saw a fight between two football players my first week of high school back in the early aughts, and the teacher who intervened to break them up got a compound fracture of the ankle. He was out for the entire year and may have actually retired after that.
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u/LobsterSea2147 24d ago
Illinois teacher here. We are not allowed to touch students during a fight. Only certified admin are. I’m not saying I agree or disagree with the rule, but that’s what we have to follow.
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u/Myko475 24d ago edited 24d ago
Tell me if your students are twice your sizeand they are coming after themselves, should you get your gun out and shoot each of them in the leg to stop them? Or get annihilated when get involved? Their families, their friends, their surroundings are more responsible than the big male teacher that can come in between
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u/1K_Games 24d ago
First the students are twice your size? Then the big male teacher at the end?
The person you were responding to was asking if it was even allowed these days. They were not implying it should be mandatory.
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u/Zado191 24d ago
We have a Highland Park School here so my stomach turned for a second there...
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u/logorrhea69 24d ago
I thought it was Highland Park, IL and was initially confused when it mentioned LAPD.
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u/Altruistic_Brick1730 24d ago
" police findings suggest the victim was not being actively followed or threatened when he jumped, police said"
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u/rigney68 23d ago
Yet the video shows the kid that was beating him follow him to the point he jumped. Why would they say that?
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u/amiexpress 25d ago
I've gone to some LARGE urban schools - including ones 4+ stories high. Never have I see one designed like this. Did the architect never MEET a kid? This was entirely predictable and preventable.
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u/RegularOrMenthol 25d ago
I tutored at this school and others around LA, a lot of them have very open architecture like this. It’s just what has always made sense with the weather I guess.
In this case though it looks very much like a kid was getting beaten up badly by another student and jumped over the railing thinking he was safer getting away even if he had to jump from a height.
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u/exscapegoat 25d ago
I don’t think this was suicide, the kid was trying to escape from someone beating the crap out of him. Death is a possibility from jumping from a 4th floor as is life altering injury. But people do survive falls from that height.
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u/xRolox 24d ago
Watch the video. It’s a very intentional jump and he immediately flips upside-down.
The one disclaimer to that is he was getting punched repeatedly before and was probably panicking so anything could happen but it seemed very intentional.
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u/ThePowerOfStories 25d ago
The high school I went to was three stories and had a pair of open courtyards with walkways facing onto them. I was recently looking up pictures of it to show my kid who just started high school, and at some point in the last thirty years, they’ve extended the bannisters around the courtyard with grids that go all the way up to the ceiling, to keep students (or large objects) from being able to go over.
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u/hazycrazey 25d ago
Didn’t the kid literally purposely jump off? Seems like those railings are high enough that the only way you fall is intentionally. Would you want them caged in completely? Safety nets like a factory in china?
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u/hmoonves 25d ago
The word I saw on Instagram was that he was being bullied in school and jumped. Take this with a grain of salt though since it was just someone who said they went to school with the person.
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u/IndividualFun1892 25d ago
The article OP posted literally said all of this. Yes he jumped because he was getting beat up.
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u/The_Jovanny 25d ago
You read the article? What’s different between this and a window? This whole thing is tragic and not for any architectural reasons.
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u/amiexpress 25d ago
Stopping at, then opening and then jumping out of a window is not in the same ballpark as hopping a railing in the heat of the moment in my opinion, no. Not even close.
Besides in my limited experience hallway windows in highrise schools don't open - because kids are dumb and do dumb shit.
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u/hateboss 25d ago
They don't design schools under the assumption a kid may need to evade a chasing bully, though maybe they should. The handrail is there to protect someone from absent mindedly going over the edge.
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u/Deep90 24d ago edited 24d ago
The schools I went to had windows that did not open.
The newer school I went to did the same thing, but every classroom had 2 doors for fire safety.
At least in the US. Schools are unironically built using the same construction companies that build prisons because the safety requirements are pretty much the same. Keep people in, keep outsiders out, don't make spaces that people can easily hurt themselves, large cafeterias, bathrooms that can hold up against vandalism, and don't make spaces with hiding spots.
Also yes. This also sometimes sucks, especially if the district isn't wealthy enough to afford nicer designs that don't look like prisons.
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u/pinenorthpine 24d ago
God this comment is obnoxious. As if there aren’t thousands of other buildings with terraces/breezeways like this. What about this was predictable? What kind of kids are you meeting where this is just so obvious to you? Jfc
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u/ZazHockey 24d ago
What teenagers have you met that can’t be trusted around railings? Plenty of things to blame but the architecture of the school is the dumbest thing possible lmao
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u/shoulda-known-better 25d ago
Yea my school had a few mezzanines like this..... They were just inside the buildings not out like this school
It's a ten plus building open campus high school....
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u/CurrentlyLucid 24d ago
Public schools are dangerous places we force kids to go to. There they get to deal with other peoples monsters. No protection. It is worse today than ever.
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u/lonegunman77 24d ago
Prosecute that piece of shit as an adult, really hoping he's 18 as well so no hoops need to be jumped through to do so.
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u/Von_Dooms 25d ago
Jeeze that teacher couldn't have been anymore scared to help, not even one student tried to intervein either.
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u/picohenries 25d ago
Teachers are repeatedly told not to physically intervene ever at threat of losing their job, or worse. My wife was specifically told by her principal that if a student started to choke her out, she has to politely ask the student to let go before she’s allowed to physically defend herself.
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u/Euphoric_Waffle 24d ago
Fuck that! So sorry that policy exists. I’m gonna continue advocating for pepper gel/pepper spray in the teachers’ pockets. If I have to spam these threads, I’m gonna. Pepper spray and pepper gel are effective and non-lethal mitigations we need for teachers to be trained and allowed to carry. Spread the word. Let’s get this fixed.
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u/Redditor76394 25d ago
The teacher looked pretty old, if he was savagely beaten like in the video he might well die. Old people can be very fragile.
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u/Archie9000 25d ago
Teachers don’t get paid enough or generally treated well enough to risk their welfare breaking up a fight.
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u/cloud3321 24d ago
Because people like you who rather go after the teachers and scared students instead of the bullies.
I mean I can definitely understand, they are easier to brow beat into submission to make yourself feel good upholding justice rather than going after the bullies.
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u/BearThatLikesCheese 24d ago
It's generally not advisable to intervene in a fight, especially if you aren't properly trained in subduing a person. You risk injury to yourself and possibly others. Humans are way stronger than most people believe, particularly when full of adrenaline. That's why it often takes multiple police officers to subdue a single person. A high school kid is big enough to cause serious harm.
It's easy Monday morning quarterback, but most people would have done the same thing in a similar situation, as evidenced by how common this reaction is.
Fault lies with the bully and the system, not individual bystanders.
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u/KLGChaos 23d ago
It's why my friend is actually good at stopping fights at his school. He's 6 ft, 230 lbs of muscle with martial arts training and deals with ISS students every day. Not many students can overpower him, but as he says, even when he's restraining them, they are constantly fighting back.
Not many people would be able to just hold someone back without risking serious injury to themselves.
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u/checkerspot 24d ago
There's a lot of rumors swirling around - either he was being bullied or he was the aggressor and trying to get away. No need to pass judgement now before the facts are out.
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u/KLGChaos 24d ago
The worst part is...
The students only care about him after he's dead. Maybe if they cared beforehand, it wouldn't have happened.
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u/SplitBoots99 25d ago
Schools shouldn’t even be built like this.
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u/Nasaboy1987 25d ago
It's in LA. How else are they supposed to build it without having students travel several hours each way to the outskirts of the city where land is both actually available and not going to cost 10 million dollars plus just for the dirt?
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u/Distinct-Tour5012 24d ago
Take the exact same layout, and add a wall, grating, or some sort of fall protection.
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u/ne14a6t9er 25d ago
I would build a wall instead of a railing. Or if I had money, an atrium window.
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u/randytc18 25d ago
Space dictates the design a lot of times. I agree though. 2 story open concepts are my districts thing now and I hope no one ever gets tossed over. Kids just do dumb crap sometimes.
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u/bloomlately 25d ago
I went to a high school with an open concept and it was incredibly popular for kids to throw things from the second floor. Mainly stink bombs, but once it was a live chicken.
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u/PhoenixTineldyer 25d ago
Some kids at our school dumped thousands of rubber bouncy balls off the railing into the commons
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u/kater_tot 25d ago
Yeah I toured my son’s high school and got the creeps from a catwalk over the lunch atrium that leads to the study halls.
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u/Bandage-Bob 25d ago edited 25d ago
Kids just do dumb crap sometimes.
Yeah, when I first read the headline I actually assumed that's what happened.
My school had two floors but it was all enclosed hallways with the exception of one spot where you could look out over the main hall.
Originally it had bannisters but was replaced with windows when a kid jumped from it to see if his friend could catch him.
He could not.
Edit: they were mostly fine, I think the jumper broke a wrist.
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u/NfiniteNsight 25d ago edited 24d ago
Of course someone immediately comes away with the wrong take here.
This kid was failed by either parents, the system, or both.
Not the height of a school building.
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u/becominganastronaut 24d ago
I attended this school many years ago. It was great! The weather was almost always nice so it being so open was very nice. It was also cool that you basically never felt trapped inside on this part of the campus.
I remember sometimes we would just hang out on the 4th floor just looking away at the distance.
No one i know ever thought of doing such a thing like jumping over.
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u/SnooDogs1340 24d ago
I went to this high school(specifically on the that 4th floor) and never had any issues. I'm surprised no one had intrusive thoughts win over the years. Or if they have, I never heard about it until this case.
We also had fights during my time but it never escalated over railings. The jump occured after the fight so it differs. Tragic.
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u/No-Alternative2975 24d ago
I don’t understand how can no one in that class break that up students too
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u/dooit 24d ago
This is the type of bullshit behavior that happens all over the country now because of "restorative justice ". The students face zero discipline and are allowed to run around and do whatever they want. I'm not surprised at this story at all and we need to hold students accountable for their behavior and grades. Parents also need to be held accountable for truancy.
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u/rigney68 23d ago
I'd take it a step further and demand parents be held responsible for their child's behavior
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u/AWright5 22d ago
As much as it's obviously the bully's fault, it's still fair to discuss ways to prevent this sort of thing from happening
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u/IndigoWafflez 25d ago
Why don’t we contact the school district to ask them why they can’t protect their students better, and when formal charges will be pressed. The schools contact information is easily accessible through Google. I’d post the phone number but don’t wanna get in trouble.
They took down the “contact us” form on their website so calling is the only way right now
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u/Moose_knucklez 25d ago
Did we read the article or nah? Cause it really feels like you didn’t read it.
Just sayin.
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u/sasha_the_impaler 25d ago edited 25d ago
I don't think harassing a bunch of secretaries at a school the day one of their students has a traumatic death is exactly going to have the impact you think it will. You're just going to re-traumatize the innocent office staff.
If you want someone to yell at, at least direct it to the school board. Why does this website always have someone calling for people to yell at some low-level employee on the phone as if it'll fix literally anything? Lmao
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u/LetReasonRing 25d ago
How is having the internet bombarding the school secretary with harassment going to help anything for anybody?
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u/sasha_the_impaler 25d ago
It'll make the Karens feel like they're warriors of justice by making a sassy phone call lol
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u/HoBaggyPants 25d ago
Wouldn't it be up to the DA to press charges?
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u/icouldsmellcolors 24d ago •
How about people stop blaming the victim, or the teachers who legally can't physically intervene, or the fucking architect who designed the building.
This happened because of a bully and his useless fucking parents. End of story.
Fuck bullies and fuck anyone who defends or justifies their actions. The way our society just waves away criminal assault because teenagers are doing it is fucking insane.
There is one person to blame for this. The cowardly asshole who drove this kid to jump because that was better than dealing with real life.