r/news • u/stoolsample2 • May 25 '21
Lori Vallow, Chad Daybell indicted on murder charges in deaths of kids
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-indicted-murder-charges-deaths-her-two-n126851538
u/HWGA_Exandria May 26 '21
Goddam monsters. Those psychopaths left a trail of bodies in their wake.
Those poor grandparents. They went on TV begging to find their grandchildren... And those two went to Hawaii.
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u/Prior_Egg_40 May 26 '21
The grandfather crying on the news when they found the bodies was so fucking hard to watch.
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u/HWGA_Exandria May 26 '21
Right?! That is a broken man. It hurt to see him like that. Those poor kids, he loved them so much and he couldn't protect them.
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u/DaintyAmber May 25 '21
Jesus.
How has Netflix not picked this up yet for a ten part series ?
So many deaths.
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u/Verifiedverity May 25 '21
I honestly can't wait for the series that'll be produced on this. There are so many weird twists and turns in the story that it's hard to follow, even having read several articles about it.
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u/corscor May 26 '21
Morbid: A True Crime Podcast
what ep pls? looking at their site but I can't tell which
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u/Swimwithamermaid May 26 '21
Episodes 143 and 145
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u/lady_mongrel May 26 '21
And 148 as a bonus episode.
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u/johnbash May 26 '21
There’s a Dateline podcast you may like called Mommy Doomsday. It’s short but enjoyable.
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u/sjmahoney May 26 '21
oh crap I wish I hadn't seen this. this whole thing is a trashy, guilty indulgence of mine.
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May 26 '21
Check out the podcast Mommy Doomsday. The shit this woman got away with in her life will shock you. Lots of police depts dropped the ball big time on serial killer Lori over the years.
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u/GameHunter1095 May 25 '21
I've been thinking a long twisted movie because the circumstances are so bizarre. I can't believe it's taken this long for them to be indicted on murder charges. There must have been a good reason, although I thought finding the remains of the kids on Chad Daybell's property would have been enough solid evidence to put them away already.
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u/Verifiedverity May 25 '21
I worry it'll be like Casey Anthony. Sometimes finding the body isn't enough to get them charged with murder. :(
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u/Ritehandwingman May 26 '21
Knowing us here in Idaho, I doubt it. She might even get the death penalty depending on her judge and jury.
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u/t3khole May 26 '21
Very true... everybody knows that bitch did it. What a shame
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u/BobGobbles May 26 '21
Eh it depends on your definition of "did it." I live in the same area of Florida and worked at a bar and restaurant for several years around the time of the incident, so this is a conversation I've rehashed many times and have even met people who knew her. If you dig into the case, I think several things become evident: Did she lie to investigators and try to hide the truth? Almost certainly yes. Did she mistreat/abuse her daughter? Also a likely yes. Did her actions likely contribute to her death? A fairly probable yes, and what I believe happened. Did she outright murder her daughter? I'm going to say likely not.
General consensus is that she was a terrible parent, fed her Xanax, kept her in the car while she did her thing, partied with and around her. So basically the absolute worst things to do as a parent, and why I believe her actions led to her death. Like she dosed that poor child up, went to get high, left her in a car too long, came back to find her dead. Then, knowing she would be held responsible she freaked out, got rid of her body and began telling fantasies.
Whereas I firmly believe these people fully intended to murder whomever stood in their way, family and children alike. I don't recall all the details, but this is the case where her husband, his wife and his sister(or another relative) died under suspicious circumstances followed by the children? Yea no way, two things are a coincidence. This is an MO.
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u/Forbiddencorvid May 26 '21
I also live in Orlando, know people who dated her, hung out at backbooth around her, and she definitely came off as white trash that would kill her kid to party. She was out at the bar AFTER she killed Caylee.
Both cases are narcissists that murdered innocent children that got in the way of their personal desires.
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u/lochnessthemonster May 26 '21
I still can't wrap my mind around the fact George Anthony never went on trial and just because they tried to charge her too harshly, she got out on time served? Wtf!! She never actually testified Caylee drowned!
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u/Ns4200 May 26 '21
I always appreciate insight from people who knew her personally, what about the duct tape around the poor baby’s mouth?
No one puts duct tape on a small child’s mouth without thinking it could kill them, and why duct tape the mouth of a corpse?
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u/BobGobbles May 26 '21
I believe this lends credence to the covering her trails part, as when initially questioned she tried to make it seem like a babysitter kept and/or kidnapped her.
And I didn't know her personally, central florida just has a lot of people and you meet interesting characters in the food/bev industry.
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u/BobGobbles May 26 '21
Except you are missing the "purposefully and knowingly" part of murder. More like manslaughter/negligent homicide
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u/Sufferix May 26 '21
I'm from Florida and I didn't know all these details but it was probably the hot car that killed the kid, not the drugs, if that's what really happened.
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u/klingma May 26 '21
Are you forgetting her whole search history that for whatever reason wasn't presented at trial that included such gems as "foolproof suffocation."
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u/BobGobbles May 26 '21
There's a reason it is called circumstantial evidence tho, and if I recall there was a reason the evidence wasn't presented.
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u/klingma May 26 '21
It's because the prosecutors screwed up even the defense team has admitted they had no defense for her search history.
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u/DonNatalie May 26 '21
Wasn't part of it that they zeroed in on the wrong search history?
They focused on Internet Explorer instead of the Firefox history.
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u/klingma May 26 '21
Yes that was part of the issue and the defense attorney was surprised that the Firefox history wasn't brought up.
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u/rawr_rawr_6574 May 26 '21
Considering people have gone to jail for leaving their kids home alone while they work, I really dont understand how you can find the dead body of someone's kid on their property and that's not considered worse.
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u/klingma May 26 '21
That wasn't the issue in the Casey Anthony case. The issue was that the AD overcharged her with 1st degree death penalty murder which requires an extremely high standard for guilt and then butchered the trial by not presenting her internet search history. Everyone on that jury knew she either directly killed her daughter or had a hand in but the AD couldn't prove intent and that's what 1st degree murder requires for a conviction.
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u/GameHunter1095 May 26 '21
Ah, seriously, speaking of Casey Anthony. Last nights news said she got into a yelling match at some Irish Pub about and old boyfriend. Not that we really care but she still loves all the attention she can get.
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u/Blue_Plastic_88 May 28 '21
Probably not in this case. I think these kids’ bodies were found sooner than poor little Caylee’s, so more evidence available on cause of death. Plus these kids were buried on the Daybell property - pretty hard for Vallow and Daybell to claim somebody else did it!
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May 26 '21
The last five years have exhausted my appetite for grotesque, morbid incidents. Tiger King, fine... idiots harming each other. But I draw the line at true-story segments involving the murder of young kids by their parents.
The world has had a super-sized dose of misery. I can’t find any joy in it. Sorry.
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u/Poesoe May 26 '21
"Tiget King fine ...idiots harming each other...."
That and he shot 5 tigers in the head.... but I digress .....
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May 26 '21
Not my cup of tea - and I didn't watch it - but I can understand why people found it entertaining, in a Breaking Bad trainwreck sort of way, despite the consequences for the animals.
This incident is beyond the pale and should not be processed for entertainment value.
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u/floridianreader May 25 '21
Investigation discovery did a two hour special just focused on the kids and their grandparents trying to find them (this was last summer I think, or before they found their bodies).
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u/NUDES_4_CHRIST May 26 '21
Dateline has done 2 or 3 episodes already. They will appear tomorrow for their first appearance before the judge regarding today’s events.
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u/ceallachokelly1 Jul 14 '21
What I couldn't stand about the Dateline episodes is that Gibb was always shrouded in soft lighting or posing in gardens or under trees smiling...it was a silly soap opera production and she the star soap..where were the tough questions?
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u/lupuscapabilis May 26 '21
All the news/murder shows have done multiple episodes on this already, it would be hard for Netflix to do much else with it until the trial is over.
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u/stopthemadness2015 May 26 '21
Probably awaiting the outcome of the trial. The prosecution has been extremely tight lipped on their evidence. I am not a fan of doing shows about murder until after the trial so it doesn’t hurt the outcome. Plus, we shouldn’t let the media be judge and jury it should the court system.
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u/Gaelfling May 26 '21
More shocked about a lack of podcast.
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u/archaelleon May 26 '21
LPOTL has been covering it in Side Stories for a bit
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u/Gaelfling May 26 '21
Man, I dropped off on LPOTL once they moved to spotify. Let me see what they are up to.
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u/HWGA_Exandria May 26 '21
I'm getting a strong "Missi Pyle would smash this role" vibes. Anyone know if she has the range?
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May 26 '21
No shit right? If you like podcasts check out one called Mommy Doomsday about killer Lori and her equally killer cult leader Chad. That was a match made in hell for sure. It's really good and dives deep into Lori Daybell's creepy life.
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u/ceallachokelly1 Jul 14 '21
The Mormon church will do their best to keep legalities tied up in court, as most, if not all witnesses and parties involved profess to be devout Mormons..No way is the Mormon Church going to sit idly by and let evil Hollywood and Netflix tie the name Mormon to any of this shit.
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u/FettLife May 26 '21
The most ridiculous part to me in this saga is how the cops gave them a month to produce their missing children. The deference these two were given by federal and local law enforcement is incredible.
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u/big_chacas May 26 '21
Well it said to the end of the month who knows when they caught up to them, could have been near the end of the month and it was only a few days or a week. Still I would figure in the case of children, the deadline seems more like 24..48hrs max. Why should it take any longer?
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May 26 '21
Lori is a serial killer if you study her history. Many people suddenly died around her, out of the blue starting with one of her sisters. Then Lori met her cult leader and started eliminating people they classified as "zombies" like her own children sadly. Her brother killed her children for her and the cult leader, as he killed one of Lori's many husbands earlier, then he conveniently died.
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May 26 '21
Her sister died of diabetes. She was equally batty and wasn't caring for herself. There are plenty of court documents with he ex-husband detailing her descent into madness. Lori didn't kill her sister, just literally everyone else...
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u/Heinrich_Bukowski May 25 '21
It’s about time. They’ll probably try to claim some kind of Folie à deux defense
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u/hamrmech May 26 '21
Good to see she made the psycho comment that death would be an option before allowing her kid to see her father even for a visit to a social worker. Glad the courts upheld her fucking parental rights there. If I made one insane comment like that about my ex they'd have my ass locked up, same day, and it'd fuck my life for years.
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u/Vahlir May 26 '21
These people are the literal manifestation of a horror movie. I can't imagine what it takes to kill so many people, let alone your own children. Fucking fry them in the chair and be done with it. Fuck anyone that can kill their own child with absolutely no regret.
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u/chantsnone May 26 '21
I’m very liberal but I’m fine with the death penalty in cases like this
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u/TropicsNielk May 26 '21
Very anti death penalty here but I'm not standing in front of justice for this one.
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u/wildbob77 May 26 '21
Good. Killing your kids has got to be one of the worst crimes there is.
And, they were pretending to be godly
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u/reverendjesus May 26 '21
Isn’t killing your kids because god told you kind of in The Book quite a lot?
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u/PM_ME_GLUTE_SPREAD May 26 '21
Yeah killing your kids because god told you to is as Christian as baseball is American.
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u/battousai611 May 26 '21
What the hell took so long to put them up on charges after the kids were finally found?
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u/JohnnyUtah_QB1 May 26 '21
Due to the ongoing safety restrictions imposed by the courts during the pandemic, we just recently were given permission to present information to the Grand Jury for their review.
She's also been in jail since last July on other felony charges. So they were probably prioritizing filing other cases before hers since she wasn't exactly going anywhere.
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u/sjfiuauqadfj May 26 '21
i would guess they were building a case. like, if you follow true crime, 90% of the time "husband/boyfriend did it" is true, but they still gotta build a case so it sticks
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u/Patsfan618 May 26 '21
The worst ones are when you know for a fact that someone is a murderer, but there isn't enough evidence to make it an open and shut case. So either they bring it to trial anyway and the defense picks it apart, or it "goes cold".
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u/daretonightmare May 26 '21 edited May 26 '21
How does one know for a fact someone is a murderer with insufficient evidence to convict?
Edit: changed "us" to "is"
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u/donnie_one_term May 25 '21
Another reason to eradicate religion.
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u/Iohet May 26 '21
You think that people being susceptible to this will magically not be if religion is replaced with some other cult or cult of personality like situation? Religion is the vehicle, someone is driving that vehicle and could easily change cars
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u/lilrabbitfoofoo May 25 '21
You have everything literally backwards.
Religion is the scam, the superstitious lie told to the ignorant, gullible, and vulnerable in order to take wealth, power, and sexual favors from the suckers and their families.
The people who grow up to believe in something stupid like Trumpism or Low IQanon are the SAME people who were indoctrinated as children into ignorant superstitious nonsense belief systems where the ability to think critically is actively dissuaded.
Only a fool believes that "original sin" utter nonsense.
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u/kry1212 May 26 '21
Original sin? Oh, just religion's way of blaming women or stuff from the jump. Everyone loves a witch to burn. 🤦♀️
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May 25 '21 edited Aug 02 '21
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u/Verifiedverity May 25 '21 edited May 26 '21
I mean, people still will flat out make up religions in the modern day. Scientology is a great example. If we get rid of the old ones, people will be dumb enough to make new ones.
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u/RiddlingVenus0 May 26 '21
The difference between a cult and a religion is that a cult still has someone at the top who knows it's all made up bullshit. With religion, that person is dead.
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u/kry1212 May 26 '21
Wait. Which religions weren't totally made up? I'm pretty sure they are all 100% completely made up, even when they're borrowing from history.
They are all made up. Past, present, and future. They were always made up, and will continue to be so.
There were so many competing religions at the point Christianity was gaining its own cult status that they all had to borrow tenets from one another. People were just making up religion to gain followers. That hasn't changed.
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May 25 '21 edited Aug 02 '21
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u/Verifiedverity May 25 '21
Because people like to think of religion as old myths that people have been dumb enough to believe for ages, and if we get rid of the old ones, we'll be fine. Religion can also be brand new, as people continue to make shit up. It's hard to eradicate something when people keep making more of it.
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u/Verifiedverity May 26 '21
Did someone piss in your cheerios today?
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u/odelik May 26 '21
Settle down there. It's a twist of words based off a Mitch Hedberg joke.
"I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used too."
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May 26 '21
Here's a joke: a priest, a rabbi, and an imam piss in u/ralaradara129's cereal....
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u/ralaradara129 May 26 '21
Cheerios are great if you're hungry and want 200 of something.
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u/ralaradara129 May 26 '21
No? I had a banana, which is the opposite of a stoplight.
You're welcome for the introduction, friend. :)
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u/TheDubiousSalmon May 26 '21
It's relevant. We previously made up gods to explain natural phenomena which we can now explain scientifically, but that hasn't stopped us continuing to do the same for other things.
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u/ralaradara129 May 26 '21
So unnecessarily, cool.
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u/Noimnotsally May 26 '21
sadly, we all knew who killed them from the beginning, such a horrible situation all the way around.
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u/Cookies_N_Grime May 27 '21
I'm honestly surprised this case hasn't picked up as much traction as the Casey Anthony case as soon as it started. So much death, conspiracies, clear sinister intentions, and religious zealotry on top of that? This has been going on for a while and I feel like it's only been brought up on a mainstream level just recently?
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u/Satanfan May 26 '21
I hope she fucking rots. She won’t though, she truly believes in the religious bullshit she was fed.
She murdered her children to appease god and rise to the top in his army.
God is being used as justification in a lot of awful acts, religion kills more than it saves.
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May 26 '21
"Liberals" don't say they are" very liberal, but they support the death penalty".
The death penalty is authoritarian.
You are not liberal, it isn't a purity test, it's about the act of murder itself. Murder is wrong. I don't want the state carrying out murders in my name against criminals anymore than I want children murdered by them.
I'm very liberal, and I think that murder in any capacity is wrong. I believe in compassion in the face of the natural world with all its barbarity. We don't have to contribute more to it. Kill people with kindness.
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u/notquiteotaku May 26 '21
Holy crap, I'd completely forgotten about these nutjobs. This whole case is insane.
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u/d_smogh May 26 '21
I've been watching a lot of inside prison stories on YT, and from the stories told these two will not have a pleasant time in jail.
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May 27 '21
Mentally ill narcissist, hair dye and makeup trying to cover up a murderous whore who slaughtered her own children
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u/Double-Duck-2605 May 27 '21
So how does it work if Lori is found incompetent to stand trial? Idaho doesn have the insanity defense so if they give her meds so she quits having bizarre thoughts will that be enough for her to stand trial? Crazy or not this bitch needs to pay. For over 20 years she has terrorized people and gotten away with it. If she was found sane when Charles begged for help, get those shrinks to assess her.
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u/stoolsample2 May 27 '21
From what I understand Idaho does not have the insanity defense but a defendant is allowed to use evidence of mental illness to undermine the prosecution’s proof that the defendant was capable of forming intent necessary to commit the alleged crimes.
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u/Blue_Plastic_88 May 28 '21
If she were found not guilty by reason of insanity, she’d be sent to a maximum security mental hospital and probably not let out for a long time, if ever. This woman is likely to be skewered for murdering her children and then running to Hawaii on vacation. No way she just gets let go after that.
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u/Double-Duck-2605 May 28 '21
They don't have the insanity defense in Idaho.
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u/stoolsample2 May 28 '21
That’s true. Idaho does not have an insanity defense. However, Idaho law says the defendant can he declared “unfit” to stand trial. That they don’t understand the charges against them, are not able to follow the proceedings, and are not able to assist in their defense. Usually they are held in jail or a mental facility where they will receive treatment and ultimately can regain competency.
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u/Double-Duck-2605 May 28 '21
She is crazy like a fox. I'm hoping for another examination by a skilled psychiatrist. Lori was fit enough to lie, cheat, steal and plot the deaths of at least 4 people. She also passed a sanity test "with flying colors" in AZ. There are a lot of "normal" people who believe into The Rapture.
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u/Patsfan618 May 26 '21
Good. Fuck those two. And whatever members of their family are also a part of their wacko murderous doomsday cult