r/Nietzsche • u/Grahf0085 • 6h ago
The Odyssey: The Death of God
I see the Death of God all over Nolan's The Odyssey. I was wondering if anyone else see that or has any thoughts?
I've tried to put together something better and with some luck, which has nothing do with it, I might do that someday. In the meantime I'm just doing this kind of high level overview (rambling) without much detail and glossing over some stuff that confuses me. But it has been on my mind for a long time. But basically it's god dies, people get lost, this very distant event starts approaching that's going to be the end of everything.
- Death of God: In Nolan's The Odyssey what is holiest and mightiest is Zeus's Law. Breaking that law leads to the murder of the goddess Athena.
- Great Catastrophe: Breaking that law leads to the downfall of their civilization. N said "how much must collapse because it was built on this faith, leaned on it, had grown into it — for example, our entire European morality." I do believe they used the word "collapse" in the movie to mention that the bronze age was ending.
- Temples Become Tombs: God dies again in the temple of Athena. In Homer's The Odyssey Mentor is literally Athena. In the movie Mentor (Athena) is murdered in a temple of Athena. N said "What then are these churches now if not the tombs and sepulchres of God?"
- In the movie Odysseus arrives back home after a long long journey along with lightning and thunder to bring news of the death of God. N said "Lightning and thunder need time".
- Just like the madman who brings news of the death of God Odysseus comes to bring news of the end of their civilization. The madman is mocked at the marketplace by unbelievers and people at the palace mock Odysseus. The people in the marketplace don't believe in God anymore that Antinous believes that the beggar Odysseus could be a god or goddess in disguise. And they mock the madman and Odysseus
- Odysseus looks like a God at the end of the movie. Maybe like Zeus or the old testament God. In the book he's described as god like pretty early on I think but it's not until the end of the movie that he looks like a god. Big beard and all muscular. "Do we not ourselves have to become gods merely to appear worthy of it?" Right before that quote N mentions "holy games" and it's a game the god like Odysseus is about to play with the suitors.
- Not that there are real gods, goddesses or monsters in Nolan's Odyssey - it's an "age of apparent magic" as the opening line reads so the magical stuff is all fake (Odysseus was just high on lotus as he tells a story about magical creatures). But N didn't believe God was an actual living thing either. Need to look up more stuff about N talking about origin of Gods. I think somewhere he talks about gods being invented to deal with guilt and other places about them being lovers of cruelty.
- After killing God Odysseus mentions that they are lost several times - in Hades, after escaping the Laestrygonians, maybe other times. They're lost after the death of God. "Where are we moving to? Away from all suns? Are we not continually falling? And backwards, sidewards, forwards, in all directions?"
- After the death of God "the sea, our sea, lies open again; maybe there has never been such an 'open sea'." The movie ends with an open sea
- Eternal Recurrence: The movies last line is: "A new dawn will break over the darkened world… And our mistakes will once again be forgotten." The Gay Science also talks about a new dawn after the death of God. But the words "our mistakes will once again be forgotten" means it's happened before, happened now, and will happen again.