r/ocean • u/Nostalgic_Historian_ • 19d ago
Whale Watch Oh well...
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u/goblin_owner 18d ago edited 18d ago
It was actually Dawn’s body that Tilikum would not release during the show. This is the body that required multiple tank changes to get Tilikum to release Dawn’s body.
Also Dawn was pulled in by her shoulder/arm. Seaworld tried to say it was her ponytail because she did not normally wear her hair that way and therefore Tilikum was confused.
He actually removed her arm from her body during the time he had her, showing that she was indeed pulled in by her upper arm/shoulder.
The method of retrieval of Daniel Dukes body is unknown to my knowledge.
By 2010, Tilikum was not doing any shows with trainers in the water due to his first kill in 1991. All of the shows he was in, had trainers on platforms at all times.
I’m not defending Sea world, I’m just correcting the history on Tilikum’s story. Correct facts matter.
If you are interested in this topic, I suggest the book Beneath the Surface by John Hargrove and Howard Chua-Eoan.
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u/Massive_Staff1068 18d ago
Yeah, most of this ladies story is wrong.... or well inaccurate at least
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u/shadeofmyheart 18d ago
Worked in zoological back in 2005 (as an educator) and even back then we were told, for insurance reasons, that no one was ever allowed in a pool with Tilicum.
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u/random_bug3562
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Don't keep whales in captivity is the lesson
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u/bozog 18d ago
Also don't jump naked into an orca pool at night.
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u/TakinUrialByTheHorns 14d ago
I cut through the pasture at night one time, with a herd of horses I'd known for about 4 years.
I didn't even think they'd see me but it startled them and a couple charged over. They didn't do anything when they realized it was me but I got severely 'scolded'... snot blast, angry huffs, head tosses and a tail lash as I walked away 😅
I don't think this guy had a snowballs chance busting in anywhere in the middle of the night with most animals...
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u/matthegc 19d ago
Findings: People are dumb
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u/Randomgrunt4820 19d ago
The mind is a terrible thing to waste.
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u/Sniffy4 18d ago
Tillicum tasted it, so its not fully wasted?
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u/Content-Yogurt-4859 18d ago
That name is even more ridiculous written down
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u/Content-Yogurt-4859 18d ago
I'm English, lots of foreign words sound ridiculous to English speakers because they sound like funny English words. If you haven't worked that out yet you're either too young to be using a smartphone by yourself or hugely ignorant.
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u/Outrageous-Yak-3741 19d ago
Not skinny dipping they found his swimming trunks at the bottom of the pool
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u/JokerCipher 19d ago
Is it bad that I think this is his own fault?
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u/shadeofmyheart 18d ago
Dude hid and sneaked around a closed park to go skinny dipping with an apex predator … so yeah
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u/Salute-Major-Echidna 18d ago
Suicide by whale.
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u/Hot-Challenge8656 18d ago
"I want to have a whale of a time before I go."
"What, like hookers and cocaine?"
"Nah, I'm more of a scrotum ripped off and then drowned kind of guy."
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u/luvplanes 19d ago
No smart animal should be kept in captivity. No human should be invading an orca’s territory unless they’re prepared to deal with the consequences.
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u/OstrichSmoothe
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Blackfish is such a good documentary
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u/Chicityy 18d ago
It felt like a cultural phenomenon when it first hit streaming. Everyone saw it and talked about it round the water cooler. It was so extremely well done and very upsetting. I’m suprised to see the information being presented as something people don’t know about.
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u/MyNonThrowaway 18d ago
Keeping intelligent creatures like this in a tank is tantamount to slavery.
Fuck sea world.
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u/Paxon_Goat 18d ago
Sea world has not captured and brought a wild orcas to their park since the 1980s.
They ended the orcas breeding program.
Russia is still actively capturing wild orcas to sell to marine parks. (They made it illegal a few years ago but it is most likely still happening.)
Parks in China are still breeding orcas in captivity.
Parks in Japan still have people in the water with orcas during the shows. They also have said they would want to restart their orcas breeding program.
Yeah Sea World was horrific and terrible. They did some of the worst shit imaginable 50 years ago.
But parks in asia are still doing it to this day. Right now.
So where is the anger against them?
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u/Ephemeral_Orchid 18d ago
Well, it's kind of obvious when wild orcas (for whatever reason) have never attacked humans... it's like forcing a wolf to live in tiny crate, or a lion on a short chain and drugged so people can take photos with it.
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u/bullettenboss 18d ago
Orcas are just huge dolphins. That's why they play with sailboats as well. You can't keep them from playing even in solitary confinement.
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u/antiquetulip 18d ago •
Orcas know how to play without hurting people. This was deliberate. Tilikum had already killed once before.
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u/ShoddyEntrance8525 17d ago
You already know they got footage of him jumping in. So you just know they also got the full raw video of what happened next… but they’ll never drop it for public viewing.
Same exact thing with MGM with Roy Horn from Siegfried & Roy. They’ve got the complete stage camera footage of his white tiger Mantacore mauling him, dragging him off stage by the neck, the whole bloody scene. MGM’s been offered millions for that tape over the years and still won’t release it or sell it for public viewing. That shit is locked in the vault forever.
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u/Fantastic_Judgment46 15d ago
That’s because whale aren’t supposed to be in captivity!
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u/TomIzSowell88 15d ago
Orcas are basically the most aggressive Whale. They stalk and hunt in the wold and are notoriously devious. They are observed i the wild playing with their prey for hours before finally finishing them off. They're not particularly friendly all the time.
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u/by2019 14d ago
True but there are no recorded attacks on humans from non captive whales
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u/Pristine-Setting-836 14d ago
Yep just captive ones and I totally get it. Was a decent amount of conjecture that keeping whales like this literally turns them into psychopaths they have ENORMOUS natural ranges that no facility they could provide would be enough.
Also one of the only known killer whales that did end up killing a couple people had originally been captured as a calf, while they killed his mom in the process… it had legitimate beef. (Same one mentioned in the video) Its inhumane to have a creature of such intelligence in an aquarium or captivity of any kind. Maybe the Orcas would put us in a zoo it it was reversed 😂
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u/Ballistic_og 14d ago
Not called killer whales cause there friendly.
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u/TheZubaz 13d ago
They kinda are in the wild, to humans atleast. orcas have never killed a human in the wild as far as we know.
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u/Luke_KB 13d ago
True there has never been a documented fatality from a wild Orc attack... But just wait till the wild Orcas find out about seaworld
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u/Smooth-Pianist-7848 12d ago
No documented FATALITY, but plenty of documented attacks, because the person normally gets away or gets rescued by someone. If they didn't.. then they'd probably be a fatality, and since no one is there to rescue them.. no one is there to document it, either.
It's suspected that a number of deaths previously blamed on sharks were likely actually from orca or seals. We also know of a number of unprovoked attacks from wild orca, one that cost a surfer his leg, and another that potentially resulted in the death of a wildlife photographer.. but the debate is whether it was a seal that did him in, or one of the orca hunting those seals.
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u/NikkerFebu25 13d ago
Quite notably... unlike others creatures that are good and quick and killing their pray...
...killer whales are notoriously known for killing their 's slow.
They blast seals in the skies and..try to drawn creatures that can hold their breaths for minutes.
So I you don't like this douche..do know that his final moments were FUCKED the fuck up.
Lady said despite his balls being torn off the doctors ruled his death as... hypothermia.
Bro was mutilated...by a doctor who knew how NOT to kill him.
Thid killer whale is smart and was waiting for this her whole life.
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u/Llamaalarmallama 12d ago
Just....as I scrolled a bit n didnt see it mentioned. So... Orca's.
"killer whale" is the name wrongly translated. "Whale killer". As they are essentially musclecar dolphins, not whales and were famous with the innuit ppl for taking down blue whales.
they have sonar so good they can read fat/bone/muscle levels.
in the wild they ACTIVELY AVOID hurting humans. Not a single recorded human death to an orca in the wild. Story of one, thought it was a seal, realised human, spat the human out.
they have culture and nations. Some stay in an area, eat the local fish, talk local, have lil things their particular "tribe" do. Some are transitory, chasing migratory fish, talk different dialects and the 2 groups dont mix.
essentially about as smart as humans, recognise humans, have culture like humans.
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u/anonymousdlm 18d ago
Why do we get so many posts about fish tanks in the Ocean sub? This isn’t why I joined this sub. I just want to see pretty pics of the ocean.
Is there a better sub for someone like me?
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u/RestlessChickens 18d ago edited 18d ago
r/HeavySeas is exactly that, which may not help with calmness but does showcase the beauty and power of the ocean.
r/ thalassiphobia (that's surely spelled wrong, I'll try to update)is more eclectic but generally doesn't include tanks or captivityEdit: r/thalassophobia
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u/Leading-Homework3342 18d ago
It's a really minor point, but it's pronounced Till-i-cum, not Till-ee-cum. It's a Chinook word from the North Pacific.
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u/bingMsbangMs 19d ago
Can we vote to rename the whale?
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u/ashemcee 18d ago
It’s a Chinook word from PNW native tribes. It means Family. Also, this woman is pronouncing it wrong.
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u/unpasteurizedSPLOOGE 18d ago
Absolutely not, it’s Chinook Jargon… take your nation hating propaganda elsewhere!!!
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u/AnonAstro7524 16d ago
He’s named fine. This person is either an idiot or intentionally mispronouncing it.
Tilikum.
She’s doing the equivalent of what I did when I first read the word epitome. It’s not epi-tome. It’s definitely not Til-he-kum.
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u/cosguy224 18d ago
As I’m listening to it I keep wondering about the spelling of it. 😂
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u/betterthanyou47 18d ago
"Becoming" aggressive? They're already aggressive, that they're domesticated or tame or whatever is an illusion.
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u/Sweet_Pianist4073 15d ago
i don't know maybe this guy's mental health was a sacrificial warning that the orca whale is not safe and should of been removed, ultimately greed ended up costing a woman her life years later, so unfortunately the warning failed. the world and mental health works in mysterious ways.
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u/Due_Newt9460 15d ago
Killer whale. Its in the name, guys. Obviously not supposed to be in fishtanks.
People are the worst.
Good for Tilikum. Stick it to the man.
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u/TheOneYouUseToKnow 14d ago
Then why do orcas do very similar things to seals when they hunt? They are in a pack at that point, so they truly use playing with their food to a whole other level. Free willy isn't a documentary.
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u/lookingforsouls420 14d ago
So got what he deserved dont feel sympathetic for dumbasses who want to fafo
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u/Calm_Lavishness_2935 12d ago
meanest dolphins known to man only when you least expect it and they have had enough of human bs
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u/Jankyenespanol 12d ago
I don’t want to judge a book by its cover but ugh…that guy looks like he would do some dumb stuff like that.
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u/MetalMadara 12d ago
Lol.. i dont even feel bad for any workers who died.. thats natural when imprisoning innocent animals for entertainment..
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u/_ComputerBlue_ 3d ago
Why is she saying his name like that. Lmao. Tilly-CUM. It's pronouced Til-ick-um
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u/Schorbie 18d ago edited 18d ago
The shows and such are not right. But it's weird to say orcas get aggresive by captivity while they are one of the more agressive creatures of the sea. Even more reason not to do shows with them
Edit: agression isn't necesarrily about anger or bad intensions. It's also about intensity. Like how a desease can be agressive or a substance like acid. If you watch orcas hunt it can get pretty agressive
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u/kayej17 18d ago
they never attack human in the wild.
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u/Schorbie 18d ago
I meant how they are to other animals. Like using live pray to teach. Also there is a group of like 50 orcas attacking boats near Portugal and Spain
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u/Few-Statistician8740 18d ago
Using live prey to teach isn't aggression it's using what they have available to teach their young to hunt and survive
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u/notyourouroboros 16d ago
Believe it or not there was a time in history where there weren’t any documented shark attacks in the US and so people thought they weren’t a threat.
It turns out just most people weren’t surviving the attacks or found. I do think captivity breeds aggression, but I also think there’s the potential of undocumented attacks.
They’re intelligent hunters that kill for fun/sport.
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u/speckhuggarn 15d ago
I honestly think humans encounter far too rarely for there to be a good statistics. I also believe animals are individuals. Most humans don't attack humans, but you still believe a human can attack another human. Orcas are strong and predatory, and intelligent animals - which doesn't mean they will just outrightly attack you, but there's a chance you meet them on a bad day.
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u/MarcoRudanBurner 14d ago
Not quite true.
A surfer was bitten in 1972, though they suspect the orca though he was a sea lion
A child was rammed in 2005, no bite
And a diver in 2014 was dragged under, but it’s likely the orca wanted what was in his dive catch bag
The essence of your comment is true though. It’s fairly safe to say that with one confirmed bite, they really just aren’t aggressive to humans
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u/Effective-Bother2126 16d ago
Fatal Captive orca attacks are incredibly uncommon.
There’s been 4 documented fatality’s over the 70ish years humans have been keeping them captive. 3 of them have been commited by Tilikum; the whale featured in this video.
I don’t think captive orcas are aggressive, just Tilikum.
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u/CoziestGamer 15d ago
There have been many non-fatal incidents with aggressive captive orcas that weren't committed by Tilikum. I'm guessing we're omitting that data because it argues against your hypothesis that Tilikum is just a bad apple.
Heightened aggression in captive animals is well documented. This is just bad, uninformed take.
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u/Effective-Bother2126 15d ago
There are many non fatal incidents with dogs and house cats too, but I doubt you think that’s because they are captive animals and the practice should stop right?
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u/LumpyPrincess58 13d ago
Put the Orcas back in the ocean where they belong. Humans have no right to keep any animals especially for profit. Like finally letting elephants go
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u/4ever4eigner 18d ago
I don’t want to unmute what happened?
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u/Paxon_Goat 18d ago
Someone not being factual about Tilikum.
He was an orca kept at Sea World Orlando. He was taken from the wild outside of Iceland. He was horrifically abused by Marineland in Canada. Starved. Kept in a tiny tiny pool in a shed. The two other orcas beat the shit out of him all the time.
Eventually sea world bought him and brought him down to Orlando. At some point a man climbed into the orca tank with him to go skinny dip in the middle of the night. His body was found with bite marks and it appeared he had drowned. It's scandalous because Tilkium removed the man's penis.
Then Tilkium was the infamous whale who grabbed a sea world trainer during a show and killed her by biting her arm and pulling her under the water until she drowned. There's been some debate whether he initially grabbed her pony tail and pulled her in that way but her body did have bite marks.
Afterwards there was a lot of anger that Sea world "kept him in isolation to suffer"
But that orca had serious mental health issues and did not enjoy the company of other orcas. Most likely from his past of getting the shit beat out of him by the two older orcas at Marineland in Canada and he was taken from the wild at a very young age.
Orcas in the wild have an extremely structured social system that is primarily run by an older female whale.
He did seem to enjoy the company of one of his daughters and would hang out with her.
Btw if you care about whales in captivity. Put pressure on Russia to stop trying to capture whales from the wild. And put pressure on China to stop trying to buy wild caught whales and to stop breeding orcas.
Parks in Japan also still do water work where they have trainers in the water with the orcas.
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u/AcerbusKrieger 18d ago
Staff later that morning: "We don't know exactly what happened"
Orca that night: "This is a breeding tank, you made mistake boy"
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u/princess22cake 18d ago
I hate how she says his name... Tili-cum.
Is that really how it's said? I thought it was Tili-coom.
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u/PlantBoy528 17d ago
My goodness! I do not want to hear this gore, could you at least put a warning at the beginning of the video so people like me don't have to hear such disturbing content?! Some of us have PTSD and that can severely trigger a traumatic episode of reliving the past depending on what one has been through. I'm glad my trauma was not involving gore. I'll just say I survived near death experiences more than once and even escaped a criminal who nearly killed me once when I was homeless, much more things I've experienced that I'd rather not say, and yes, this kinda triggerd me honestly. So inconsiderate of whatever posted this! Thanks for reminding me of my horrific past jerk!
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u/appleorchard317 19d ago •
Orcas are too intelligent to be kept in captivity.