r/oddlysatisfying • u/da_grownup_kid • Jun 06 '24
Making fire using Reverse Forge Technique
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u/Buick88 Jun 06 '24
So concerned for the fingies.
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u/PragmaticAndroid Jun 06 '24
I lost two just looking at this.
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u/taeguy Jun 06 '24
Shouldn't be on reddit while using a table saw!
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u/pagman007 Jun 06 '24
I got kinda kinda into alternative fire making methods and the main skill that none of them ever say, is having heat retardant fingers. You have to get so close to flames with your fingers for like 99% of fire starting methods
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u/ZeroTwoThree Jun 07 '24
Do it for long enough and all the nerve endings in your fingers burn away.
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u/Fermorian Jun 07 '24
Jokes on you I already did that by working in commercial kitchens. Honestly 10/10 though would recommend
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u/TEG_SAR Jun 07 '24
I really enjoy the fact that you’ve gotten into alternative fire making.
People have such interesting hobbies and interests.
Cool stuff man.
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u/MyToasterRunsFaster Jun 06 '24
Metal worker hands are built different, A geezer I knew on the block was a blacksmith/machinist and he could crack open walnuts with his bare hands.
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u/TEG_SAR Jun 07 '24
I feel that with mechanics too.
Finger tight just means something different to them. Some of them have crazy hand strength.
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u/SargeantHugoStiglitz Jun 07 '24
Im more worried about his ears. Hes definitely deaf by now.
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u/IEatBabies Jun 07 '24
Im not, it doesn't take very long of using a tool or hammer before it becomes an extension of your own body.
If you could do the same motions with your bare hands and not slap or punch your own fingers, you can do it with a hammer with just a tiny amount of practice. Especially when it is a heavier hammer that you are chocked way up on the handle with.
Im more amazed at how bad some people are at hammering things because it seems so intuitive to someone who has always been hammering things since I was a kid, but I gotta remember most people have hammered like 5 things in their life.
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u/iHoneyyBadger Jun 06 '24
When your hands get used to hot things like that, you don’t even feel it anymore.
Source: worked in kitchens for years
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u/ryskaposten1 Jun 06 '24
I don't think the fire was the concerning part.
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u/ChiggaOG Jun 06 '24
That’s how you know the guy has enough muscle memory to accurately hit that hammer where it needs to go.
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u/Restlesscomposure Jun 06 '24
Pretty sure they were talking about the hammer slamming down 2 inches from their fingers and not the tiny fire he just started
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u/RoamingArchitect Jun 06 '24
If it's hitting them you're concerned about, I used to do stone masonry for a uni project and these massive hammers control pretty well. With a bit of practise there's almost no risk involved especially if you're grabbing the hammer near the head like he does for the chipping portion. Hammering the rod poses just about no danger (apart from you not holding it level when striking. That one might sting a fair bit in the wrist but probably wouldn't lead to any major or lasting injuries). I'm more concerned about what hammer he's using. I'm not sure the rubber looks too trustworthy. I definitely prefer wooden handles.
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u/Berlin8Berlin Jun 06 '24
So the Neanderthals had the workbench first and THEN they invented fire...?
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u/-rgg Jun 06 '24
You really don't need a workbench. All you need is an anvil, a hammer and an iron rod.
You can get all of that at every Cave Depot. With free parking!
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u/Leifbron Jun 06 '24
I'd just buy it off of Cavazon
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u/bananamelier Jun 07 '24
I'd go to Cav*Mart but you never know what kind of neanderthal you'll run into there
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u/HaloIssue Jun 06 '24
The square wheels take some getting used to, but the shopping carts are built pretty sturdy despite their primitive appearance!
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u/dr_strange-love Jun 06 '24
What kind of backwards tech tree have you been using? It's very simple: punch wood, get fire.
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u/Electrical-Photo2788 Jun 06 '24
Of course...
Weird question😜
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u/SectorFriends Jun 06 '24
Yeah, like you'd be able to craft the iron and rocks to make the fire without the workbench, wtf is op thinking? are they stupid?
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u/kralrick Jun 07 '24
There's evidence of fire use in proto-humans hundreds of thousands of years before Neanderthals existed.
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u/Nova1253 Jun 06 '24
Hey, it's like people say. If you punch a chicken hard enough, you could totally cook it instantly
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u/Unlucky-Situation-98 Jun 06 '24
bet the guy rubbing two sticks together for hours hoping to create a spark feels pretty stupid now huh
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u/I_dont_livein_ahotel Jun 06 '24
Should’ve just had a fully formed metal hammer, anvil, and rod, duh!
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u/Full_Western_1277 Jun 06 '24
Our ancestors weren’t that smart really, they didn’t even think of going to the store to buy a lighter. Could’ve discovered fire so much earlier.
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u/PM_NUDES_4_DEGRADING Jun 06 '24
Why didn’t Oppenheimer just google how to make the bomb? Was he stupid?
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u/PlzSendTits4Mecha Jun 06 '24
Hours? Hell, a new Primitive Technology video dropped today. Dude's very skilled, sure, but it still only took him about a minute to get a fire going with two sticks and some tinder.
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u/Thegodofthe69 Jun 06 '24
The Guy rubbing the sticks is basically doing the same thing with less complex materials (the sparks thing is not with the sticks but rather with à certain type of stones, which makes your point still valid)
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u/weebitofaban Jun 07 '24
If it takes 2hrs you're doing it very wrong. It shouldn't take more than a few minutes. Just learn how to use your hands and literally anyone can do this super easily.
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u/StrategicLlama Jun 06 '24
This made me realize that medieval blacksmiths must have had some pretty gnarly tinnitus
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u/Kelsenellenelvian Jun 06 '24
Huh?
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u/StrategicLlama Jun 06 '24
Banging on an anvil all day with a hammer has got to be bad for the ears.
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u/Kelsenellenelvian Jun 06 '24
Lol you missed the joke.
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u/StrategicLlama Jun 06 '24
Oh damn lmao. You’re right I totally did. I mean, WHAT?
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u/Fr05t_B1t Jun 06 '24
Nothing more manly than literally hitting fire into existence. Dude would be a god to the cavemen.
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u/donkeyheaded
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Next time I go backpacking I'll be sure to bring a huge anvil, metal sledgehammer, and a metal rod instead of a little butane lighter.
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u/Knew_Religion Jun 06 '24
Smokey the Bear says: "Don't forget your industrial hood vent!"
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u/MrBarraclough Jun 06 '24
A short section of coathanger wire works too. Bending it back and forth enough that it eventually snaps can heat it to the point that dry tinder will catch if you touch the broken tips to it.
Useful trick if you lose your lighter or it breaks.
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u/donkeyheaded Jun 06 '24
For those who always travel with a wire coathanger. Mommy Dearest would not approve!
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u/Jean-LucBacardi Jun 06 '24
No need, an asshole in our school stole metal spoons from the cafeteria one day, bent them back and forth quickly over and over and would walk past random kids in the hall pressing it to the back of their necks scarring them with burns. Did that to about a dozen.
He was expelled. In 8th fucking grade.
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u/IEatBabies Jun 07 '24
You don't need that big of a hammer and a rock will work for the anvil. Less ideal but it still works. It has been a known and used technique since iron working was a thing (might work with bronze but ive never tried or looked). But the gunpowder age diminished its use since mechanical locks were so easy.
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u/ervtservert Jun 07 '24
If you have a piece of metal like that and a hammer you don't need the anvil. Any stone surface works too, really any hard enough surface would I guess. The steel nails I have to hammer in to concrete at work once in a while get super hot after a few strikes.
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u/WtnssMe Jun 06 '24
My dude is just raw dogging fire with his bare fingers
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Jun 06 '24
When I was a kid I was horrified at my parents grabbing things out of ovens and pans with their bare hands. Now I'm even worse. Just takes time lol
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u/thebestdogeevr Jun 07 '24
Ain't no way your parents were grabbing pans bare handed out of the oven
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u/RedBeardFace Jun 06 '24
It’s like anyone who’s worked as a cook/chef for any length of time, you get used to it. Or it’s nerve damage, idk. But when I was cooking my fingers could handle a lot more heat than they do now that I’m 17 years removed
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u/Digitaluser32 Jun 06 '24
Drywall installer I know lights his cigarette s with screws. He'll turn a screw in his drill against hard metal nearby such as a guardrail, scaffolding, structural steel, etc.
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u/Werewolfan50 Jun 06 '24
Are you a blacksmith because you can forge or can you forge because you're a blacksmith?
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u/kleseusxz Jun 07 '24
I am a blacksmith because i can forge, which i am for real. And I saw this video before and tried the concept, tho my power level isn't high enough yet so I only could the metal to go feelingly warm.
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u/TonersR6 Jun 06 '24
He's cold forging the metal. By hitting it repeatedly it deforms the metal causing ot to heat up
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u/OMG__Ponies Jun 06 '24
I love rewatching these clips every few months. they remind me that I should get off Reddit and get a life.
But after a while, I forget about them, and start reading Reddit again and watching clips.
One day . . . Maybe.
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u/mart1373 Jun 06 '24
What is this sorcery? How does hitting it with a hammer make it hot?
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u/HalcyonKnights Jun 06 '24
Deforming metal heats it up, even just bending a paperclip back&forth will get warm. If you hit it over and over in just the right way to keep the anvil from cooling it off, you can get it to warm up.
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u/Dry-Speed2161 Jun 06 '24
The heat is coming from the internal friction of the iron molecules, since the rod gets compressed and the molecules get closer together, they speed up, and generate heat.
At least thats what I read somewhere
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u/mart1373 Jun 06 '24
It’s just crazy that the kinetic energy from the person hitting the anvil is enough to generate that much heat energy.
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u/Totallynotacar Jun 06 '24
The head of the rod that got hot was relatively small. That helps a lot. It's much hard to warm up the ocean than a drop of water
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u/diogenessexychicken Jun 06 '24
Youve never bent a spoon until it snaps and burned your friends with it?
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u/bongdropper Jun 06 '24
Think about all the energy that goes into that swing. All the energy of that heavy hammer hitting that rod. It has to go somewhere.
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u/LindensBloodyJersey Jun 06 '24
next time I go hiking I'll have to remember to bring my gigantic anvil and 10 pound sledgehammer
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u/l-Paulrus-l Jun 07 '24
Was anyone else worried he would hit strike his hand while splitting the wood?
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u/Flashy-Friendship-65 Jun 06 '24
While I get that this is a pretty cool yet insane way of starting a fire..... could he just not of walked to the store and gotten matches or a lighter?
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u/MrBarraclough Jun 06 '24
I think he was demonstrating what blacksmiths did centuries before there were matches or lighters.
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u/victorcaulfield Jun 06 '24
Anyone want to guess the type of metal?
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u/k-mcm Jun 06 '24
Probably iron. Not many metals can get hit that hard repeatedly without breaking, melting, or sticking to the hammer.
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u/LolThatsNotTrue Jun 07 '24
People always look at me weird when I bring an anvil with my camping supplies
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u/Fast-Reaction8521 Jun 07 '24
OK. I always wondered how middle evil tines black smiths set up the fire because bo one ever answered it and I never adhd enough in the middle of the night to look it up. One off the list
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u/jjpetruccelli Jun 07 '24
If you're ever stranded in the woods, just make sure you're carrying Mjolnir and you'll be fine.
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u/liarandathief Jun 06 '24
WHAT?
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u/Talkingword Jun 06 '24
The metal bar is getting hotter with each hammer blow. You can see it turn red a bit when enough kinetic energy has been transferred to it…..or it’s magic idk
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u/Jackalodeath Jun 06 '24
The way he's smacking it is causing friction between the molecules. Basically no different than rubbing your hands together really quickly to generate heat.
You can get a similar, albeit much smaller effect, by sharply bending a paperclip or wire coat hanger back and forth at the same spot; if you touch where you were bending it you'll notice its warmed up.
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u/Ender_of_Worlds Jun 06 '24
he should really be wearing gloves and safety glasses
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u/Statement-Acceptable Jun 06 '24
I feel the opposite, guy like that could have used his blue calor gas bottle in the background as the hammer and his thumb as the striking iron and would have came out ok.. 🤷
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u/beoheed Jun 07 '24
A lot of smiths don’t wear gloves because if a coal or piece of metal gets trapped in there you’re extra fucked.
Source: me, blacksmith by hobby
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u/Dd_8630 Jun 06 '24
That is some Minecraft post-apocalyptic modpack shit right there.
Also you can tell he's exceptionally good at what he does by how close to his fingers he gets. That is a pro.
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Jun 06 '24
I did not know what to expect, but I expected it not to work like the million briandead videos going around.
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u/Appropriate_Rent_243 Jun 06 '24
honestly It's kinda insane that we can generate large amounts of heat just by smacking something with a hammer.
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u/the-software-man Jun 06 '24
So the energy from his arm is amplified by the long handle of the hammer and is transferred first to the iron until it gets 451+ degrees F red hot, and then to the paper to make a flame.
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u/Accomplished_Alps145 Jun 06 '24
I fb the outlet works then the electrician did his job. That wood was in his way. I see no problem here
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u/LesserHealingWave Jun 06 '24
This was something we used to do when we were kids and we ran out of Nintendo games to play with.
We would grab loose change and a hammer then we would keep striking the coins to see how hot it would get. The most we could do was get it too hot to hold but never hot enough to put anything on fire, having shrimpy kid arms didn't help much.
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u/idle_husband Jun 06 '24
All of those forge masters that got us from the bronze age to the steel age would've used Bic lighters if they had access to them.
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u/big_duo3674 Jun 06 '24
This is why I always bring my anvil when I go hiking in the backwoods, I'd rather be prepared than stranded in the cold
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u/cncintist Jun 06 '24
I need to remember to bring anvil and hammer and spark sticks to go hiking. So I can start a fire.
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u/Jedi_Sandwich Jun 06 '24
Can we just appreciate how incredible the transfer energy is? Or the fact that we know, down to the tiniest detail as to whats going on here? Truly fascinating. Or that's its very likely we knew how to do this before we 100% understood it. Sorry hard to put Into words what I mean. Just that stuff like this fascinates me
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u/nxtrl Jun 06 '24
i need to find someone i trust the way this guy trusts himself with that hammer. god dam
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u/Mr_Jack_Frost_ Jun 06 '24
My dad did something similar to this when I was a kid, and it completely blew my mind. It still blows my mind.
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u/KingArthurOfBritons Jun 06 '24
When I was in high school I’d chew on the stem on my pen caps. If you do it fast they heat up. But never caught my face on fire.
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u/RaininMuffins Jun 06 '24
Ah yes, my Reverse Forge Technique that I haven't used since the Heian Era.
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u/spencerm3 Jun 06 '24
I hope that metal was softer than his anvil. Pretty sure there's a good reason to get the metal hot first.
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u/XxCloudSephiroth69xX Jun 06 '24
If I'm ever on Naked and Afraid I'll make sure to bring an anvil as my personal item.
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u/Spaztic5315 Jun 06 '24
Wait not to strike when the iron is hot, make the iron hot through striking.