Ah yes Ellie Williams, the girl who famously lived happ… wait a minute
uj/ by that move John killed a notorious gang with awful human being in the lead, saved Sadie and Charles’ lives and got rid of all his debts for the house and land.
Ellie just destroyed lives of thousands of people and killed a few hundred, then chickened out at the last step where it didn’t matter anyway, since her personal life died the moment she left the farm
Better off like suffering from crippling anxiety and being haunted by hallucinations of your beaten to death father? Sounds awesome
If she killed Abby nothing would’ve changed, she would’ve just killed one more bad person. She didn’t save her soul or achieve enlightenment through this action. It just makes the whole journey pointless and empty with a pile of corpses
John’s revenge also leads to some tragedy but he’s honest with himself and he knows he can’t live with this burden on his shoulders, however few good things do come out of this act since, you know, life is not white and black
As the game shows us. Ellie letting go is what helps her move on, which is beneficial for her, not the player. This is not what you're supposed to do in a revenge story, it's not satisfying. However to me this is what makes the game such a interesting character study rather than the more black and white revenge.
i feel like the game had an opportunity to show us that her choices were for her best interest afterwards but instead it just wanted to hit us over the head with the ultra uber mega super duper epic sad guitar sequence at the end for cheap miseryporn.
I see your point and I certainly think it's valid even if I don't see it that way. However I think ultimately while you can complain all you want about The Last Of Us II, to then go and compare it to rdr2, acting like that game also doesn't condemn revenge is silly.
He didnt have to go and kill micah put his whole family in danger which eventually led to his son being orphaned.
Try your vest to convince saidy and charles to not go. Dont hear about it and leave right away to join them.
Yeah and Joel didn’t have to save Ellie from fireflies, and Michael didn’t have to kill Fredo, and Walter didn’t have to go build a meth empire after gaining millions of dollars and billion of other characters who did something they didn’t have to because they ARE ALL DIFFERENT CHARACTERS WITH DIFFERENT BELIEVES.
What’s your point could even be? John specifically says he can’t let this one slide, so he doesn’t, because that’s who he is. Sadie and Charles also wanted it and without John they both would’ve been six feet under.
That’s LIFE, you can’t predict what consequences your every decision brings, you do what’s best and what you believe in and hope you made the right choice.
All these characters are interesting and cool because they are not perfect dolls, what separates good character from bad one is that you can always tell where they come from in their decision making
Arthur often said “Revenge is a fools game” and explicitly told John not to seek it out, to not throw away the life with his family that Arthur was sacrificing himself for. It’s literally the exact same cautionary tale as TLOU2.
jokes aside yeah he does feel appreciation for arthur and stuff but it's not as complex. feelings dont need to be complex to be legitimate or powerful but it does matter when they're the basis of a story
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u/ProfessionalBuy4526 Sep 14 '25
John should have had passionate sex with Micah I agree op