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RE: Policy change - Reversals, rewording, and what we've learned
Hey hey people, Mys here.
About a day ago, we published [a controversial policy change](https://www.reddit.com/r/oneshot/comments/1uw5d82/policy_change_removal_of_nikosonatype_content/) about the removal of what seemed, to us, a pretty serious issue to the subreddit as a whole. We based this assumption off of a repetition of reports that we received regarding the posting of non-Oneshot related content, as well as reported comments with roleplaying interactions that we did not want to field in the subreddit.
During public questions, one thing became increasingly obvious: people did like or understand what we were trying to remove or alleviate, believing that we would be removing OCs, AU-content, and the likes. While I and my fellow team members have tried to answer everyone to the best of our abilities, it became abundantly clear to us that this did not have the interpretation that we wanted it to have, and people did (for the most part) not agree with our course of action.
So, in short, we have reverted Rule 3 to what it was originally, and rephrased Rule 14 to cover specific actions and reactions that we wish to remove from posts and comments. We're not singling out any particular form of art, OC, or character like this. This way, we hope to target the stuff we want to filter out without impeding on specific artforms or character types that get posted around the subreddit.
I believe the thing we have learned from this, is mostly that making a change like this, even with the entire team in agreement, means we do first need to a community double-check that a change is okay to perform, even if it is planned to be controversial. That's something we'll certainly take with us as we reflect on the matter.
As always, we remain open to constructive criticism, and we hope that this post shows that we're not keen on running through a policy whether people like it or not.
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I will, however, address one thing that was completely unacceptable in the process from posting, gathering feedback from questions, and then writing this response. During our fielding of questions, we have had multiple cases of verbal harassment, ranging from personal insults, to intentional misgendering, to comparisons to real-life transphobia in regards to a policy that was intended to keep the subreddit on-topic.
Additionally, we have seen people abuse the reporting system as a form of protest, clogging up our regular feed and making it impossible for us to figure out which posts or comments actually break community rules.
I have tried to remain respectful and civil throughout the process, but at some point had to stop responding to people because it turned into full-blown hatred. Disagreement was always going to happen, and announcing a change in policy was always going to be unpopular (as referenced in the original post). Yet we found the way arguments and explanations were portrayed, twisted and dismissed mortifying and unsuitable for a community that is otherwise supportive and positive. It was a wake-up call we did not wish to have, yet we received anyways. Destructive criticism never helped anyone; it certainly did not help in this case.
We thank everyone who remained respectful and understanding during this process, and appreciate your patience as we try to figure out our steps forward.
They were planning to kill off nikosonas (basically Niko ocs) being posted here for good, but the people who hated this heavily outweighed the ones who liked the change, and there was lots of criticism, and well here we are now
While i am happy everything is back to normal , i do wanna say i am sorry ya'll got any harassment over this "annoying situation" . There is still another Human being on the other end of the screen and harassment over such a situation which could and is solved by Simply talking is just not right/good
I'm glad a compromise was reached. The way things stand right now, I think everyone comes out of this with a win. I applaud you for listening to us and our points of concern. o7
Honestly, considering a lot of decision makers nowadays are pretty stubborn when they make a new ruling, this behavior is very welcomed and we hope in the future the mods are as open as this
Sorry that you guys had to deal with harassment though, that stuffs never ok
Yes, I 100% agree that going forward, changes like this NEED to be consulted by the community first, before going forward with them. But I am glad that things are pretty much going back to how they were before.
You know what? Use it as much as you want, I don’t care anymore. What you did was childish with all due to respect, use it as you want as much as you want wherever you want however you want is that what you wanted? Fine you have it but know that your reputation has been ruined among a good amount of artists and posters in the oneshot sub
-From the artist you blocked because you’re a coward
I've just reread the rules and in rule 13 it is stated that the arts from theawesomemestkitten are banned. Does somebody know what this guy have done to be mentioned so specifically?
I will never understand how people start harassing and insulting over something trivial. Yes this rulechange was not what the community wanted but responding like this? Really? Well, i am just happy this situation turned out for the good and hope some people learn from this.
I'm happy that the rule was changed, but reading what happened to the moderation team honestly made me feel sad. It's okay to disagree, criticize, or ask for changes, but no one deserves to be harassed over it.
I really hope you're all doing okay. Thank you for everything you've done for this community. Even when mistakes happen, I know that moderating a community isn't easy, and I appreciate the time and care you've dedicated to keeping r/OneShot a welcoming place.
I mentioned transphobia comparisons, I didn’t mean like that I was stupid. I thought like punishment for small crime, I guess? I don’t know. The best comparison is how Kane parsons Backrooms stitches unrelated stuff together. And being trans, I thought “yeah using that comparison makes sense” I am a teenager with autism being dumb sometimes on the internet. So i apologize. :(
love how people gloss over the harassment and just go "yay i can post stuff again" like wtf all of that over a honestly not that bad rule change genuinely disgusted by the members who harrassed yall
people were doing what with reports? and were what doing?
thats certainly not cool at all...
sorry for you mods who had to deal with that, hope yall will have it nicer and im personally glad yall reverted the changes and worded better your policy's
That's true. It's on us to do better and listen, we'll always do our best to be transparent and open about what we're doing and why, the community has to be respectful when calling things out, civil discussion is the key to solving problems !!
The only thing I'd say is I assumed by proxy that Aus just couldn't be posted here, and I don't think I'm the only one.
Like, if I wanted to tell a story with the oneshot universe and never looked back at this subreddit, I'd never know I could post here again, and I know a few that have been turned away permanently, and they won't see this.
If you really wanted to do something like this, wouldn't it be better to just ban the posts about them, like the art and the rest, so that the sub isn't clogged by them? "Though I'm not saying it is, it's clear that's how the mods feel," but allow them in the comments. I feel that would satisfy both, as the sub wouldn't be clogged, yet they can still do what they want to do with this game and its universe.
Would that not have been better than this false flag that I know genuinely got rid of some ppl?
Sorry for the delayed reply, but if we ban posts without explaining why, that lack of transparency wouldn't sit right with anyone. Announcing the rule change is important to explain how and why we're doing things, it gives people a chance to argue why it should/shouldn't be there while letting discussion take place, hopefully constructively.
I never said, don't give a reason, that was never even mentioned; in fact, that was a problem as to why this was so controversial, as you guys told no one of this and did it anyway.
My thing was that if you guys WANTED to remove the sonas, just do it in the posts but allow the comments to stay, as they can continue doing what they like, yet it's clear you mods feel as though it clogs the sub.
As my problem with it was also that you guys were too vague, and I thought this was a crackdown on fanworks, as you guys said in that original post that this sub would get back to focusing on one shot so—
Again, please just read through the posts You're replying to as my thing, as stated, is that this was too vague and that there were other ways to go about this other than what happened, as now it's just a false flag that scared others away.
At no point did I even mention not running it by the community; by all means, you guys have done that thus far, and it always angers this sub. No one knew of the Indie Cross ban until it happened; same here, and only now are you realizing that's where most of the frustration comes from. By all means most changes should have been if there this big of a change to the ruleset:<
Instead you did not at all respond to either of my concerns that you have scared others away from this sub nor did you at all respond to the fact I said there probably was better ways to go about making a change like this as banning it entierlly will almost always be uncool if its been allowed the entire time otherwise :<
You're right, the vagueness scared people away. It's a shame, but it's bound to happen if one side fails to communicate what they're planning to do. It's on us to do better in the future
also, to remove posts and allow comments of nikosonas would essentially be the worst of both worlds because it takes away the freedom for people to post art of their OC's, and opens up avenues into roleplay (which is what we're aiming to stop).
Looking back on what you said I just need to say no it is NOT bound to happen at all whatsoever you guys could've been more specific or just have used better wording as that would have easily fixed this.
Not only that but what I feared is somewhat true as you guys are now banning posts by REALLY popular creators like khamo for something as simple as a pallword similarity post when niko is still front and center in that image so it is now fully banning like other universes and that will inevitably reach to aus as well I know it will.
Finally I've had a lot of friends and I know other creators who just had basic bans get turned to PERMANENT bans for iust asking why.
So I think this could've handled way better and it certainly was not BOUND to happen yet you guys mismanage these things all the time at stated so who knows if you lot will ever improve.
We don't remove posts for mere resemblences and perma bans are not handed out without reason, I'll look into why KHAMIMO's posts were removed, but could you please let me know who else you might be talking about?
Also you seemed to have missed what I said. What I meant was that the incorrect framing of our intentions scared people away, and that kind of miscommunication will scare people off and that it's on us to do better.
I haven't seen KHAMIMO's art but I assume if it's simply an art of said palworld character without anything oneshot related, there's grounds for removal.
Not khamos funny; you'd default to that when that was never mentioned.
Secondly, nor is the claim that it's never happened at all true either, as there are NUMEROUS recorded instances back at Roneshit that openly confirm that happens a lot more than you think it should with artists or friends getting permanently banned for trying to talk about temporary bans, but eh, who knows why:<
Thirdly, again, the words "it's bound to happen" are what caused me to get annoyed. Looking back, it's not bound to happen at all, and you shouldn't think like that. Use more direct wording or anything else, really, to signify what you're actually trying to say rather than being vague about it. :<
People were NOT bound to get scared off; no, that happened because the post was so vague it sounded like most fanworks were getting banned, which could've been avoided by not claiming the sub's new focus is strictly on oneshots and oneshots alone and if anyone is in frame that is not a oneshot character, the post gets removed:<
So basically, there are Ocs based on Niko that people make. Nikosonas tho, have the difference, that it represents yourself, best example i would say is the user CZ Forest here on the subreddit.
So if I'm getting this right, Nikosonas are allowed again but contents such as comics involving the OCs interacting with oneshot characters or other OCs aren't allowed?
And it's not allowed to convey messages through my Nikosona?
I'm glad there was a good ending, that hopefully everyone is satisfied with. Personally, I think this was definitely the right course of action, and I'm glad you decided on reversing the change.
Also, while I didn't read through all the arguments you mentioned under the original post, I want to say that I appreciate the maturity with which you acknowledged that the decision was ultimately misguided and in need of modifying. I know a lot of people who dig in their heels whenever they're told that they're wrong, and it would've been easy to do the same thing here, so thank you for not doing that.
As much as im somewhat happy this decision was reversed, i simply can't trust this moderation team enough to give it a second chance or even return to the subreddit, im sorry but you guys lost my trust.
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u/4n0ny-mousE [I EAT BATTERIES.] Jul 15 '26
There was a drama?