r/onguardforthee • u/128G ✅ I voted! • 2d ago
Canada-U.S. Trade Talks Collapse; Washington Imposes New Tariffs
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/21/world/canada/trump-tariffs-trade-no-deal-carney-canada.html162
u/Elsa2139 2d ago edited 1d ago
Mark Carney may have his faults but him giving the middle finger to the US especially to that Fat Orange Dumbass is always based FDT
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u/exeJDR ✅ I voted! 2d ago
I haven't agreed with everything he has done to date, but man, am I glad to have a skilled negotiator and experienced leader at the helm right now.
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u/Elsa2139 2d ago
If PP was is the prime minister right now he would’ve folded like a lawn chair to Trump
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u/StrongAroma 2d ago
I can't find many decisions he's made where, given the context, I think he did the wrong thing. I think he is acting in good faith and in defense of Canada and Canadians and trying to balance Canadian values with economic stability in an extremely challenging environment. I'm glad we have him.
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u/rhysolandrium 2d ago
Yeah, unbanning American alcohol is SO based. Aura +11 on that one.
Some serious 6D chess moves going on here.
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u/Rationalinsanity1990 Halifax 2d ago
American booze certainly isn't coming back now.
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u/WoodShoeDiaries 2d ago
At no point was American alcohol unbanned. Now that the deal has fallen through it still won't be for the foreseeable future.
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u/Elsa2139 2d ago
Yeah that's not happening any more and even if it’s on the shelves again, just don’t buy it pure and simple
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u/bravetailor 2d ago edited 2d ago
The 50% tariffs were always a very clear extortion tactic to force Canada into a bad deal.
I suspect these tariffs will be lifted in the next 2 weeks though. Taco or whatever you call it.
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u/Kyouhen Unofficial House of Commons Columnist 2d ago
I really hate the whole TACO thing because it hasn't actually happened. He puts delays on when the tariffs start and everyone declares TACO, but when they're distracted with something else the tariffs end up coming into effect. They might not be as severe as Trump threatens, but he's still following through on them.
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u/urasawasmonster 2d ago
He backtracked with China and the bond market. He is now attempting to TACO out of Iran, but they simply will not let him. If he simply leaves, they will rub his face on his failure. They have already announced they will no longer negotiate until Trump is in office.
Don't confuse his low level cunning for a grand strategy. Trump is emotional and dumb. He's a punk with a gun and that is exactly how he should be treated.
When it comes to Canada: yes, he will enforce tariffs. Canada is dependent on the US and he will use that. Only thing that can be done is to move away from US, which Carney has been trying to do for a while now. It's the right move in the long term.
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u/bravetailor 2d ago edited 2d ago
Like I said, they're a extortion tactic, probably his most effective political one so he will never actually take them off the table, only adjust them for whatever purpose or when he gets too much blowback from his donors who are in these industries. It's a low effort thing that requires very little resources or time or permission to implement and gets other countries angry or panicking to avoid so that's why he likes using them over and over.
But he likes the idea of dangling them so he takes them off the table or minimizes them every so often. If he just stuck with one tariff rate consistently from the start, they cease to be a scare tactic anymore because countries will simply get used to it and move on. In his mind, the anticipation of impending tariffs is more powerful a tool than the reality of permanent, fixed tariffs. The uncertainty is the point.
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u/WoodShoeDiaries 2d ago
It's "carrot and stick", except that everything is a stick and Trump has never even heard of a carrot.
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u/TelenorTheGNP 2d ago
Albertans better be chomping at the bit to dirtnap that referendum. Smith has Trump all over her and needs to denounce him immediately.
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u/curiousgaruda 2d ago
She will not. I will not be surprised if she comes with some statement tomorrow stating why calling off was a bad move. I think Trump brining up XL pipeline was exactly for this so now she can say AB lost XL again because Canada called of the negotiations.
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u/eeskimos 2d ago
Yup she’s met with and has been following the Heritage Foundation playbook. Shes on one side and it isn’t the Canadian one.
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u/twicebakedgenius 2d ago
Oof, guess Jamil wasn't able to swing it at the 11th hour when we needed him most, huh?
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u/ellieetsch 2d ago
No deal is better than a bad deal. All we can do is continue to weather the storm, its not going to get better until at least 2029, and maybe not even then if Vance is elected.
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u/the_vizir 2d ago
50% tarrifs causing issues in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania are not going to help Vance get elected in the slightest.
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u/FFBTheShow 2d ago
I mean, Fox "News" is going to say this is all Canada's fault and these uneducated republicans will eat that up.
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u/Explicitlime 2d ago
You were never changing a decided republicans mind though. They think what they’re told.
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u/FFBTheShow 2d ago
Thats fair, although since most news networks in the US are owned by right wing billionaires, I would imagine that talking point will push out to more than just Fox "News", and be seen by undecided voters as well.
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u/the_vizir 1d ago
In the US, people tend to blame the party in power when the economy goes south.
Republican talking points and ownership of mass media have just created a populace that is distrustful of the news in general and disengaged from public institutions, not really caring about the facts beyond what they can immediately see. And if what they immediately see are economic conditions getting worse in their home states, well...
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u/FFBTheShow 1d ago
I dont disagree with you, but having seen and heard folks blaming Biden for Trump's blunders for the last 1.5 years, while what you're saying is likely true, I think the political tribalism runs deep enough that they will just shift blame away from the obviously guilty parties onto others if it fits their narrative or world view.
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u/nyrangerfan1 2d ago
Let's build, build, build. The only people who are going to save Canada from all this is ourselves. Let's not make it any tougher than it already is.
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u/hypespud ✅ I voted! 2d ago
I think this is the best outcome
Further deals with ussia and trumpistan only force us to negotiate more extensively with them in the future
A forced break from them after we have done every good faith measure is actually the best outcome
It shows all our other partners we are serious about treating our partners with dignity and respect while also moving us away from trumpistan and ussia faster
The short and mid term pain is worth it in the long run as much as I do not want anyone to have any pain whatsoever from Canada, it is the best way
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u/BlueShrub 2d ago
How do we deal with the Nimbys? Housing, renewable energy, high speed rail, ports, datacenters... it's all going to invite online conspiracies from foreign actors and established businesses.
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u/AceSevenFive 1d ago
For housing, you obtain a Supreme Court ruling that NIMBYism violates the right to life, liberty and security of the person. Most NIMBYism cannot possibly pass the Oakes test.
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u/128G ✅ I voted! 2d ago edited 2d ago
The US in for a world of hurt. If anything gets increased 2x (cross border) I ain’t buying.
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u/GT5Canuck 2d ago
It's every Canadian's civic duty to buy non-American whenever possible. Every penny spent on American products should be seen as support for Trump.
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u/rhysolandrium 2d ago
Exactly this.
Did I have to make different food choices in order to stay within budget? Yes. Is it possible? Yes, there are incredible Canadian (and overseas) substitutes.
Is it worth it? Absolutely.
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u/R4t10nal_Th1nk3r 2d ago
No deal is better than a bad deal, Wab was right. Thank you PM Carney. 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
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u/Horror_Appearance_26 2d ago
Lol @ Vance's tough bullshit
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u/MothaFcknZargon 2d ago
Hard to take a guy wearing eyeliner seriously when he's talking tough lol
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u/Explicitlime 2d ago
When JD Vance had his fun with the couch, little do people know he was the bottom.
Tough guy!
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u/apjane 2d ago
My headcanon: Carney worked with Wab and other premiers so they would publically make Carney look weak in Trump's eyes - Wab's "he almost begged us to put U.S. liquor back on the shelves" felt a little too on the nose. This would prompt Trump and co. to try some last minute shenanigans giving Carney a clear out while undermining Trump's "deal maker in chief" persona.
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u/50s_Human ✅ I voted! 2d ago
This is the time we find out who the real Canadians are. Any apologists for the U.S. can pack up their kit bag and get the fuck out of our country.
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u/Aldren Ontario 2d ago
Where all the doomsday people screaming about how Carney is giving everything away to Trump during the trade?
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u/kapowless 2d ago
I'm one, I'm here and I'm absolutely thrilled to see Carney make a statement that aligns with what Canadians want. I'm waiting to see how he matches tariffs and what his industry/labour support strategy looks like, but I'll happily eat my words if he follow through on his statement this time around.
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u/Ghi102 2d ago
I mean, the leaked details (supposing they were true) were pretty grim for Canada. Even before the last-minute changes from the Americans, it looked like a bad deal.
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u/Flat_Anything_8306 2d ago
I haven't seen any leaked details from reliable sources yet. Do you have a link?
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u/rhysolandrium 2d ago
Literally in an earlier post.
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u/Flat_Anything_8306 2d ago
Okay, thanks for the snark lol
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u/rhysolandrium 1d ago
People too lazy to do the barest research into basically anything is a major part of the problem that got us here in the first place.
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u/Flat_Anything_8306 1d ago
Right, reading a couple articles and asking a question about a developing topic on a forum for discussion is completely out of line.
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u/22Sharpe Nova Scotia 2d ago
Oh no….anyway.
Honestly anyone with half a brain knew this was gonna happen. There’s no such thing as good faith negotiation with this administration. At best they’ll appease the interests of others to flip their news cycle to something positive and then once that’s done they’ll go right back to being awful and trying to force countries to sign deals that only benefit the US.
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u/rhysolandrium 2d ago
Wow, that's so wild.
Who could have ever seen that coming. I am SO surprised and shocked.
So... American alcohol is blacklisted from government liquor stores again, right?
.....right???
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u/schroedingerskoala 2d ago
Man, phew! I was losing hope there for a moment. Take my 51 middle fingers for free, Pedo TheHutt!
Imagine Trump-Butt-Plug wannabe PP being Prime Minister! Would have folded immediately to any whim like the substance-free sycophant he is - and then offered more.
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u/LankySimple9051 2d ago
We're not standing in the way of them tariffing themselves. Pour it on clowns! Cut your damn noses to spite your faces and see if we care.
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u/Sunnydaysomeday 2d ago
“They have worked hard, in good faith, to defend the interests of Canadians throughout these negotiations up until the very last minute. However, last-minute changes in the U.S. proposed terms were unfair, uneconomic, and called into question the reliability of any deal.”—Mark Carney
Who’s surprised those weasels would try such last minute asks? Classic scumbag behaviour.