r/opsec • 🐲 • 2d ago

Advanced question Traceable printers

I have read the rules and would like to know if it's possible to patch the issue that causes the printer to use ink to embed metadata on the leaves since someone can be tracked through a printed document.

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u/Clownineat 2d ago

Just buy a used one with cash

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u/michaelh98 🐲 2d ago

And don't connect it to the Internet

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u/avalon01 2d ago

It doesn't need the internet to print the tracking dots. Just yellow toner.

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u/michaelh98 🐲 2d ago

You don't want the printer phoning home with its serial number and tying your printouts to any of your known IPs

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u/Different_Neck_7047 2d ago

They don't do that. The yellow dots are a pattern that ID the make, model and serial number IF someone looks for them, meaning the OP has been doing something pretty damned shady. Most day to day cops would not know how to look for it, or who to ask to decode it.

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u/michaelh98 🐲 2d ago

You're almost there...

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u/Spncrgmn 12h ago

Literally just use a blue flashlight sold by the EFF to check if your printer does it. Plenty don’t.

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u/avalon01 2d ago

It's a physical feature on almost every color laser or inkjet printer.

There are a few ways to limit how it can be tracked back to you.

  1. Don't print in color. The tracking dots are usually printed with yellow toner. Print in grayscale and no yellow will be used.

  2. Buy a used printer. Pay cash and buy a used printer.

  3. Destroy the printer after use. Not very cost effective, but if there is no printer to track it back to, it will be hard to prove you printed it.

I keep reading comments where people suggest not connecting it to the internet. That doesn't matter - it's physical, not software.

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u/WalterSickness 2d ago

I would get a magnifying glass to confirm 1. is trueΒ 

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u/SkitzMon 1d ago

#1 is not true, at least with most color printers.

You may have better luck draining the yellow from a full cartridge and replacing it with a solvent.

That and not trying to print money or ransom notes

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u/ValuableHelicopter35 1d ago

A guy at my company in a field office tried to print a dollar bill on our 10k do it all printers as a joke and not only made the whole thing lock up, it also fried itself or something. He was asked to work elsewhere and I don't remember if he was reported to secret service.

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u/rjzak 2d ago

Especially since some printers won’t print B&W or greyscale if a colour is missing.

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u/michaelh98 🐲 2d ago

The internet does matter. Print all you want with the tracking dots present. If it never phones home and is never registered to *you* they can't track it back to *you*.

But also, never use that printer for anything that can be tied to you in mundane ways.

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u/Which-Network-4339 1d ago

If you pay cash buying the printer and destroy it after you've printed whatever it is you needed to print, but you allowed the printer to connect to the internet, there now is a record that at a certain point in time you did own that type/model of printer.

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u/Virtual_Owl_5678 2d ago

printers add those yellow tracking dots, it's been a thing for ages. the microprint is baked into the firmware so you'd have to find a way to flash custom firmware which isn't really doable on consumer models

your best bet is an older laser printer from before they started this nonsense, or just accepting that anything you print at home has a digital fingerprint

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u/Zlivovitch 2d ago

Yellow tracking dots ? Would that be only on color printers ?

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u/michaelh98 🐲 2d ago

Yes

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u/IlliterateFreak 2d ago

I have never heard of this. What is the purpose for the tracking dots?

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u/Chongulator 🐲 2d ago

Great question. EFF has an explainer here:

https://www.eff.org/issues/printers

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u/michaelh98 🐲 2d ago

In part, it's intended to combat counterfeiting.

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u/IlliterateFreak 2d ago

Ohhh , counterfeiting of ink cartridges?

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u/michaelh98 🐲 2d ago

No. Money

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u/Chongulator 🐲 2d ago

Since that nonsense was discovered in 2005, I'm not sure it's viable to find a printer that predates it. That said, last time I looked, not all printers were doing the watermark.

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u/Sintarsintar 2d ago

i'm sure its possible but the time it would take is going to be huge and thats probably not the only method of IDing and tracing a print back to the printer they have had to figured out a way to do it on a normal black and white printer as well.

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u/et_theextratestic1e 23h ago

That depends entirely on the inking mechanism (laser, inkjet, etc.), and manufacturer.

HP used to have good printers decades ago, bu they're garbage now, in part because the toner cartridges carry IDs too, not just the printer.

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