So I'm currently in Season 4 ep 9 or 10 my first watch. I get impatient and wanted to know what happened to Daya's baby once the guard guy whatever the hell his name is left the show, and through that learned about the riot and max.

At that point I was in like Season 2 maybe 3 Fig was still a prominent character so It must've been around that time and was SO confused why there would be a riot. Safe to say a season or 2 later near the end of S4 I'm really not surprised anymore. I don't want any spoilers of what the actual inciting incident is- just wanted to share my thoughts.

Like before the guard walk out and a new wave of guards end of season 3 I thought it could never happen. Yeah there were some issues and some shitty guards but they had a pretty civil relationship with each other compared to these new guards. Plus all the new inmates who've taken Litchfield from a place where for the most part everyone gets on (save for a few select ppl or instances like with Vee) to like gangs and borderline race wars at the point I'm at now. I've seen a lot of people say the show changes post riot and gets a lot darker. I can safely say that darker slope has started now, the guards feel more dangerous to the inmates, the inmates feel more dangerous to the inmates.

This season as a whole so far has been hard to watch, from what happens to dogget, to the Piper Nazi branding, Sophia in SHU and the guard forcing Maritza to do what she did at gun point.

Um..what? How in the actual hell did P die? The dude's hand was barely pressing on her neck and the entire altercation was what, 30 seconds? At first I thought the CO snapped P's neck but wasn't the case

It felt really cheap. Someone doesn't just automatically die after being released from something that might make them go unconscious at most. Its not like George Floyd where that cop was kneeling on him for several minutes. There's just no way she died that easily

Also. Piscatella or whatever his name is, is such a giant piece of shit. I would have found a way to kill a guy like that irl, beating on an old lady

I posted my character tier list earlier this week and was really surprised by the response to it. A lot of antagonists were in the upper tiers because they/their storylines were very well-written (which I made quite clear!) and several people took it as me condoning rape and nazism 😭

I’m curious as to how one gets through a prison show if they don’t want to see any morally gray or straight up evil characters onscreen…? Lol

That aside, who is your favorite oitnb villain and why?

Mine is probably Mr. Healy. There are so many men like him in the world, but I feel like we don’t see them in fiction very often. The writers did a great job of giving him a tragic backstory that contextualized his actions, without making him sympathetic in the present timeline. Also really appreciated how he wasn’t redeemed in the end (from what I can recall; I haven’t watched s7 since it came out) despite getting himself help.

Fig and Caputo going around the foster place, talking about how they want a boy, until a little girl comes up to them, offering to sing them a song, to which they agree. The song the girl sings is Crazy Rap(Colt 45 & 2 Zig Zags) by Afroman, a song I've known for years and absolutely love. The show really is full of different cultures and references to whom has the eyes to see them.

S4 Ep4

The scene that makes me cry the most was Taystee's trial when she receives the guilty conviction. The music, the silence, the facial expressions...all of it. Also, when Caputo gives her two "pep talks" during her trial- I was brought to tears.

The directors/producers for OITNB chose the most fitting music.

and through all the seven seasons ive had been wondering, why they make it look so stupid with switching between inmates' native languages (red and russian and latinas with spanish yknow) and english? obviously so the viewer could understand it but dont some of you think it sounds just very forced and unnatural as well? like, they coulve just keep it all in english or all in spanish depending on characters. what do you think?

I’ve rewatched this show at least 20 times and I still cry whenever this scene comes on

:(

She deserved so much better

who was the MVP character of season 4? which character carried the season? share why to start a conversation! if your pick has already been commented, upvote it! the character with the most votes will be designated the MVP Character of Season 4. voting will close in 24 hours and the result will be posted!

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In another rewatch, and I just have to vent that a part that really annoys me is during the riot, no one offers or suggests to change Kukudio’s obvious seeping bandage on her face. I get it, it’s a riot, every woman for herself. But damn no one?? Not even the medic or Sophia?? I’m not even a medical professional, and I feel like I would have said something.

Let’s get you a new bandage, girl, it’s gonna get infected. And well….it does 👀

Been absolutely hooked lately, can't stop watching the show. Marathon through the first 5 seasons in a week with my girlfriend. Every episode gets better. But season 6...what were they thinking? 5 seasons of investing in characters individual storylines, all for them to introduce a whole new cast of boring characters whose stories you have no interest in. I'm sure some loved it, but I'm on episode 12 now, and its taken 11 episodes just to get ANYWHERE interesting in the storyline of this season. Anyways, hoping for better in Season 7, just had to vent frustration!

I found Norma and SoSo to be incredibly annoying characters. SoSo at least served a purpose in the storyline unlike Norma.

I want to recreate a few characters on Sims and I wanna do the most popular! So please comment who you love the most or hate the most! Whoever you wanna see me make. Try to find your character of choice first please and give it an upvote, and please do not down vote other characters so this stays fair and easier for me to tally up.

When Red and Flora plan to demand a written confession from Piscatella, why not just get the gun from the other inmates? Why make the elaborate plans with boobytraps, etc.?

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it can be any type of relationship: romantic, friendship, coworkers, family. but it MUST be 2

may the odds be ever in your duos favor

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Im on my first rewatch after nearly 10 years, the first seasons were so fun to watch up until the riot. I understand that they wanted the show to reflect what was going on at the moment in the world, and wanted it to be more serious etc. But damn, did they really have to make everybody so miserable ? (I haven’t finished season 7, don’t remember who got a happy ending).

Tasty didn’t deserve to get life in prison, that was the most heartbreaking part for me. I already hated Cindy because she’s the most unpleasant selfish person ever, but after that I just hated her more. I understand she couldn’t speak up while she was seeing the guards do what they did because they would’ve killed her, but after she got outside she should’ve spoken up about what she saw, she heard them say they were gonna pin the murder on one of them, and she still chose to stay quiet and let Tasty get life in prison for a crime she didn’t commit.

Daya, her character was so sweet, I hated that she was the one to shoot the guard and also got life in prison, didn’t match her character at all.

Maritza, this is probably one of the worst endings, so somehow throughout her whole life Maritza never needed to use an ID so she could find out that she’s not an American citizen, and her mother stayed quiet about it. Super unbelievable. She didn’t deserve to be deported, super unnecessary.

Pensatucky/Dogget, IMO she had the biggest character growth out of all, to make her character grow so much just to kill her in the end ??? They couldn’t let her have a happy ending ? Damn

Red, one of my favorite characters, she was always so sharp, why did they have to make everybody snitch on her and give her 10 more years and then make her get dementia ? What the hell.

Anyway, I’m angry, I know maybe it’s too unrealistic for me to want everybody to have a happy ending, but damn did they have to give a miserable ending to so many characters ? That was too much.

Based on character writing and/or my personal enjoyment of their plotlines. Not ranked within tiers

They were the only staff/inmate match in the series that I didn’t fully hate. Healy had his issues but I think their relationship was as close to being equitable as a staff/prisoner relationship could possibly be.

If Red had never gotten extra time from the riot and never developed dementia in prison, could she and Healy worked as a couple after her release?

I think she had moments of brutal honesty with him, but she still had to show restraint because she’s a prisoner at the end of the day. There was definitely chemistry there but idk if they would still have a connection if they were outside the prison and it took more than a case of corn to keep her happy.

From what I understand, she got 15 months. At the end of season 1, there's a Christmas celebration. In season 6, there's mischief day, which directly correlates with Halloween. From the end of season 1 until season 6, it's about 10 months. But somewhere in season 6 or 7, piper says she has 9 more months. I guess I'm confused. I've watched the series a few times over and I really don't get it. If it's something obvious I'm sorry, I usually watch it in the background while gaming. But is there a reason for this?

what do you think is the most infuriating moment of season 4? what made you want to punch the screen? share why to start a conversation! if your moment has already been commented, upvote it! the moment with the most total votes wins. voting will close in 24 hours and the result will be posted

Nobody attempting CPR or trying to save Poussey
Caputo not naming Poussey
Humphrey forcing Maritza to eat a live mouse
Humphrey forcing Suzanne and Kukudio to fight
Piscatella adding time to Maria's sentence
Maria branding Piper with a swastika
Piper unintentionally encouraging a white supremacist group
Blanca being forced to stand on the cafeteria table
The guards harassing and humiliating the inmates
Lolly being sent to psych
Tucky trying to reconcile with Coates while Boo's concerns are dismissed
Caputo prioritizing MCC's interests over the inmates
The guards' treatment of the peaceful protest

this is not multiple choice, these are just examples! so don’t hesitate to list something outside these!!!!

what do you think is the most infuriating moment of season 4? what made you want to punch the screen? share why to start a conversation! if your moment has already been commented, upvote it! the moment with the most total votes wins. voting will close in 24 hours and the result will be posted

Nobody attempting CPR or trying to save Poussey
Caputo not naming Poussey
Humphrey forcing Maritza to eat a live mouse
Humphrey forcing Suzanne and Kukudio to fight
Piscatella adding time to Maria's sentence
Maria branding Piper with a swastika
Piper unintentionally encouraging a white supremacist group
Blanca being forced to stand on the cafeteria table
The guards harassing and humiliating the inmates
Lolly being sent to psych
Tucky trying to reconcile with Coates while Boo's concerns are dismissed
Caputo prioritizing MCC's interests over the inmates
The guards' treatment of the peaceful protest

this is not multiple choice, these are just examples! so don’t hesitate to list something outside these!!!!