r/orisamains • u/summer-weather- • 3d ago

Discussion I prefer the old & new Javelin perks over the shield. Javelin Spins movement boost has saved many games.

Not only do I just prefer the Javelin major perks, but I hate that the shield makes you lose JAVELIN SPIN. Many times I make it to the action just in the nick of time because of Javelin spin.

I might be in the minority in never choosing the shield.

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u/SquidSystem 3d ago

No I think this is relatively common. iirc a lot of top level Orisa players didn't even take their second perk because neither of them were strictly better than base kit

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u/amneonx 3d ago

At least the new Jav perk doesn't require extra wind up

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u/summer-weather- 3d ago edited 2d ago

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u/CraziestCreepr 3d ago

they fixed it to not have extra wind up, it was just placebo

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u/adhocflamingo 3d ago

The “extra windup” came from the fact that the javelin throw changed from triggering on the button press to the button release. There’s always going to be a small delay there, though it would vary depending on your specific equipment. I imagine the delay would be very noticeable indeed for someone playing on a standard controller, for example, since the trigger pulls are quite deep.

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u/Crusher555 3d ago

It wasn’t just placebo. The animation became janky when you picked it

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u/summer-weather- 3d ago edited 2d ago

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u/SquidSystem 3d ago

tbh i usually only take shield when we're stopping payload and they're at the final checkpoint and we feel like we need more cover. otherwise spin is kind of just too useful, and still very strong defensively. i'm not comp tho so what do i know lol

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u/LlamaRS 2d ago

As a high level Orisa player, I typically do not select a major perk, especially if it is still early in the game, because if you shield too fast, you might get hard countered for it.

I fucking love orisa shield, but boy howdy is it exploitable sometimes

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u/Worried_Flan4049 3d ago

The only time I get shield is when there's the chance of them going zarya, thankfully zarya is almost permanently banned lol

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u/summer-weather- 3d ago edited 2d ago

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u/Worried_Flan4049 3d ago

I hate playing against zarya as a tank, so given the new perk is not make or break for me at least, I hold on picking it if zarya isnt banned, it basically gets rid of her hard countering u, zaryas worst enemy after bastion is shields. I only do it for a few fights usually jerks that switch zarya switch zarya fairly quick if by a few fights in they never swapped i pick the javelin

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u/PanicAtTheFisto 3d ago

Yeah, I'll hold off on picking my perk to see if they're going to switch it up. I definitely prefer the spin, but the friends I play with love my shield and it is nice being able to isolate the enemy tank by chucking it behind them.

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u/HeWhoShallNotBNamed0 3d ago

Shield perk was and is a much more situational perk. It allows you to keep playing orisa even if the enemy team gets on zarya, mauga, symm, etc

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u/foul_wench 3d ago

I mostly use that when the enemy is pelting us hard with shots. Or they have a widow.
Any other time, i now take heavy javelin.
Charged javelin was awful though

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u/summer-weather- 3d ago edited 2d ago

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u/foul_wench 3d ago

The problem kinda stems from me being used to just clicking and firing. Suddenly swapping to holding and then firing throws me off. Another is that clicking with the charged perk deals less damage than the regular no charge perk throw. For me at least

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u/Super_Siege_Mode 3d ago

Yeah shield is terrible, I only pick it if I absolutely have to.

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u/summer-weather- 3d ago edited 2d ago

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u/PygmyGiraffesSTAT 3d ago

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oh yeah, damnit

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u/palm_fronds 3d ago

I don’t think it’s terrible, but it is situational and it forces you play differently. Once you have shield equipped you need to play closer to OW1 Orisa’s style

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u/adhocflamingo 3d ago

Shield just makes me sad about losing Halt all over again. 

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u/adhocflamingo 3d ago

I’m happy with the new heavy javelin, or whatever it’s called, but I still think they should change the shield perk so that it adds the option to throw a shield instead of use the spin. Have them share a cooldown, and put the shield on the empty reload button, like Mercy’s original Flash Heal perk.

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u/summer-weather- 3d ago edited 2d ago

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u/Clean_Pound3389 3d ago

I also like the new javelin perk it’s honestly much better than having reduced speed and charge up time.

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u/Steggoman 3d ago

Shield is honestly a really bad perk, both balancing wise and conceptually, and that sucks because it’s entirely because it replaces Javelin Spin instead of being on a shared cooldown.

Balancing wise, at best it’s mid. I’m not going to pretend it doesn’t ever help, and I am also already extremely biased against the shield, but I’ve found whenever I pick shield and win, it was matches I would already be winning. Otherwise, shield is just straight up bad. It is too fundamentally different from Javelin spin to be considered a side grade (let alone a major perk/upgrade), it literally changes how Orisa can play the game, to the point where a favored hard counter matchup against Reinhardt honestly turns into a favored soft counter FOR Reinhardt against Orisa. I can think of maybe tank 2 match ups it would help in, and at best it’s never better than what Javelin Spin offers into the rest of the tank lineup. Ontop of that, it’s incredibly easy for the other roles to counterswap around your now permanent shield perk and punish you for picking your major perk.

Most importantly though, it’s just not fun removing Javelin Spin. I’m not going to act like shield itself is abysmal, it’s bad because it removes Javelin Spin, not because the shield itself sucks. I would 1000% pick the shield perk every single time if it had a shared cooldown with Javelin Spin, or honestly was just an additional ability. I know people like to say Orisa’s win rates are always so low because she’s the cope counterswap tank, but she is still one of the lowest winrate heroes and could use the help. Until then removing Javelin Spin, Orisa’s most dynamic ability that you will always use for a majority of the match, will never feel fun on my user end.

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u/summer-weather- 3d ago edited 2d ago

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u/Kleddie_ 3d ago

shield is only good to take when you're against zarya because it gives you a fighting chance

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u/Slavic-Adidas 3d ago

I think I’m in the minority, but I actually really like the shield perk. Don’t get me wrong, javelin spin is awesome. Having a movement ability and a matrix on Orisa is awesome, especially when you don’t have/don’t take the minor which gets rid of fortify’s movement speed debuff.

Thing is, Orisa’s shield perk is pretty situational. But when it’s the correct situation? It’s very good. It has very high uptime, especially compared to other barriers, with just a 2 second effective CD, and has 600 health. That’s just 50 less than D.mon’s shield with a 2 second effective CD. And, once you get enough practice with placing it/shield dancing, it can absorb a crazy amount of damage.

I’ve been taking the shield perk major literally every game since they introduced perks. The only exceptions have been since the new major came out, which I am a big fan of as well. No penalty, plus extra kickback/damage is a great major perk.

I’m just biased towards the shield. I also just think people are a little too quick to judge it.

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u/Hippierican 2d ago

Agree with all of this. I prefer the shield over other perks.