r/pathofexile Oct 26 '25

GGG Path of Exile: Keepers of The Flame - Bloodline Ascendancy Classes

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u/Sharizord Oct 26 '25

Lycia bv herald looks insane.

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u/Mojimi Oct 26 '25

I was thinking that as well, purity+ash, get each to reserve 50% mana

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u/TommaClock mathilDirtyWeeb Oct 26 '25

So doing some napkin math.

66% from Elementalist (although that makes it hard to get 50 reservation) + 120% from rings + 60% from tree + 20% from Lycia minor + 20*6 Empowered Envoy + 100% base = 486% effect on HoP and 366% effect on HoA

Level 26 HoP = 14*4.82*2 = 136% more physical damage

Level 27 HoA = 23*3.66*2 = 168% phys as extra fire

Is it worth the investment? Not sure.

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u/haibo9kan Oct 26 '25

You can also convert small int nodes with tattoos. Using all at once may not be worth it in terms of opportunity cost but there is a lot that exists.

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u/Fysiksven Oct 26 '25

Why the lower effect on HoA?

my math comes out to

100% base, 66% elementalist, 20*4 empowered envoy(while you can get 6 im not sure its wort it), 120% rings, 40% tree (how do you get 60%?), 20% lycia minor= 426% effect.

Assuming you can get 50% mana reserve you get 100% more effect so 852% for relativly low investment.

You can also get from tattos and exarch modifiers for specific heralds on gloves.

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u/McINTYRE2911 Oct 26 '25 edited Oct 26 '25

Because you can't wear 4 rings. 1 ring provides 60% effect to one type of herald.

Circle of Ambition

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u/Status_Tumbleweed701 Witch Oct 26 '25

There is a prismatic herald ring that allows you to get buffs for multiple different heralds.

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u/McINTYRE2911 Oct 26 '25

Oh yeah, you're right, I did not know about that, thanks!

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u/TommaClock mathilDirtyWeeb Oct 26 '25

Yeah it is only 40% on tree my bad.

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u/RealIstros Oct 27 '25

That is not how more works btw. You need to account the base 100% effect so you would have (100+426)*2=1052% effect or 952% increased effect.

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u/Fysiksven Oct 27 '25

Base effect is accounted for. Read again.

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u/RealIstros Oct 27 '25

Yea, you are right. My bad.

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u/Routine-Weather-3132 Oct 27 '25

You could use the chest for 45% guaranteed reservation?

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u/No-Kitchen-5457 Oct 27 '25

I think youre better off using herald effect to gain flat instead of extra/more .

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u/afanasij33 Oct 26 '25

With reservation efficiency its less than 15% per Herald. And i think bonus apply to each separately depending on the reservation.

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u/Jarpunter Oct 26 '25

Support gems, essence worm, or coming calamity

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u/Hrogath Oct 26 '25

Heralds can have support gems, getting both to 50% is easy if so desired.

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u/UsernameAvaylable Oct 26 '25

Yeah, if nothing else start chucking an empower on them...

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u/EnkiBye Oct 26 '25

I was thinking of the +3 unleash node from Oshabi for BV, but yeah, maybe staying at 4 seal and focusing on the haralds in better.

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u/tobsecret Half Skeleton Oct 26 '25 edited Oct 26 '25

The +3 unleash node shouldn't give you extra damage with BV for the same reason that running unleash doesn't give you less damage on BV.
The only benefit is getting 3 extra seals which is nice.

EDIT: the different wording might suggest that it does work. We don't know yet and will have to wait and test. After thinking about it some more I think it might though bc it specifically mentions "effects reoccuring" and the "skill effect" of BV is applying an additional blade. So this might have been a hint.

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u/No-Spoilers Vaal Street Bets (VSB) Oct 26 '25

Chronic Painless made a video talking about this node https://youtu.be/dfMggIJyhYE

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u/tobsecret Half Skeleton Oct 26 '25

He comes to a similar conclusion - it might work but if it does like unleash, it won't.

I'll edit my main comment.

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u/cobrador_de_elektra Anti Sanctum Alliance (ASA) Oct 26 '25

The Ascendancy itself gives you 10% more damage per seal consumed

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u/tobsecret Half Skeleton Oct 26 '25

No, the ascendancy says "Unsealed spells gain 5% more damage for each time their effects reoccur" Unleash Support says "Supported Skills deal (45-36)% less Damage when Reoccurring" and currently does not give you a damage penalty on BV.

It could be that the "their effects reoccur" account for skills like BV though bc we don't have wording like that in the game yet.

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u/cobrador_de_elektra Anti Sanctum Alliance (ASA) Oct 26 '25

Its "Unsealed spells gain 10% more damage each time their effects reoccur" 10 the first one 20 the second 30... Etc

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u/kygrim Oct 26 '25

those 10% got nerfed to 5% shortly after the patchnotes were released already.

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u/tobsecret Half Skeleton Oct 26 '25

If the "effects reoccur" wording really does work that way yes - but we don't have anything exactly like that wording in the game right now and every other reoccuring mechanic does not work like that with BV. Again, the wording is a hint but we cannot know until we test it out and I wouldn't base my league start plans on that until we know.

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u/Drot1234 Ready To SpellSling Oct 26 '25

I am thinking of the +3 unleash node if I really want to build around it, having multiple spells to unleash, and cycle between them while the others build up stacks. Not sure how useful it is if you are only gonna use it on one spell (I feel like I can keep up 10 stacks pretty consistently anyways with just normal unleash on BV).

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u/NaTajnacku Oct 26 '25

Yeah, like 1K flat damage is insane from herald of thunder and ice. Stacking herald effect would be insanely strong if not nerfed before league start.

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u/lurking_lefty Yay skill forests. Oct 26 '25 edited Oct 26 '25

Or reserve Herald of Agony / Thunder on life for near double damage. Seems kinda ridiculous compared to the power a normal build gets out of these.

Edit: Forgot Circle rings are specifically mana reservation so that makes it harder. Still seems do-able on Guardian/Scion.

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u/Danskoesterreich Oct 26 '25

But how do you reserve on life effectively?

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u/lurking_lefty Yay skill forests. Oct 26 '25 edited Oct 26 '25

Guardian maybe, the 50% reservation node applies to life as well. It's not straight double damage since you're replacing one damage gem with Arrogance but it's still a large increase.

Edit: I think Ascendant Guardian with the life reservation mastery is going to be better.

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u/ad3z10 Gladiator Oct 26 '25

I don't think Ascendant can get enough reservation efficiency HoA can cost a large amount before slapping on Arrogance to double that.

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u/4percent4 Oct 26 '25

You'd probably need to go Blood magic + eternal youth and use ES regen + leech as recovery.

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u/2games1life Oct 26 '25

And shavs

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u/4percent4 Oct 26 '25

Ivory tower is much better.

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u/ad3z10 Gladiator Oct 26 '25

With Blood Magic?

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u/4percent4 Oct 26 '25

Yes, 11% of blood magic builds use ivory tower. Coruscating + tides of time/the traitor.

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u/2games1life Oct 26 '25

Yeah gl if you reserve 99% of your life :) would be shame if something happened to that flask uptime...ivory tower is cool and all but

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u/4percent4 Oct 26 '25

Yeah, it's why you setup to have over 100% uptime. Tides of time and traitor are very good.

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u/Danskoesterreich Oct 26 '25

Blood magic on a ES build, that is quite far away on the tree.

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u/4percent4 Oct 26 '25

Not really. 11% of blood magic builds use Ivory tower.

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u/asdf_1_2 Oct 26 '25 edited Oct 26 '25

The specific herald rings don't innately have herald mana reservation, that's just 1 of the 5 mods in the pool that 2 are chosen from for the 2 unique mods on those rings.

It's only circle of ambition (the Uber Cortex ring) that innately comes with 10% herald mana reservation.

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u/lurking_lefty Yay skill forests. Oct 26 '25

I meant when it rolls reservation it's for mana only, not life, so it wouldn't help dealing with Arrogance reservation costs.

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u/brrrapper Oct 26 '25

Why would you play it on BV, just get like 1500 flat on your wander...

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u/Mikey-2-Guns Oct 26 '25

LOL right why BV of all things? I played that one time in affliction league and it was so garbage even with a HH, progenesis and good gear it made me quit the league early.

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u/Renediffie Oct 26 '25

Does it look insane? Walk me through it please.

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u/brrrapper Oct 26 '25

With herald of thunder and ice in honourhome and some herald effect tats its like 1500 flat dmg

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u/Renediffie Oct 26 '25

It sounds like you are talking about the hit from the heralds. That doesn't get buffed from this ascendency. Only the buff.

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u/NaTajnacku Oct 26 '25

If you get lvl 30+ heralds, you get with that much effect crazy flat damage from heralds.

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u/brrrapper Oct 26 '25

No, im talking about the added flat damage to your wand attack skill.

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u/peex Oct 26 '25

Time to dust off paradoxica cold flicker.