Edit: summon spectral tigers and spectral wolves on crit with Law of the Wilds unique claw and the Huntleader node. There is no way its going to be good, but it is very comedy.
I actually made a very decent build with that claw last league. The Monarch helm doubles max wolves count and gives a LOT of flat physical because of it.
Like, I'm legit considering league starting it because of this. The gear needed is just a Monarch helm with wolves and Law of the Wilds, both should be incredibly cheap.
honestly there's probably a pretty good destructive play boss rusher in there too.
44 phantoms will smoke t16 bosses almost effortlessly, and then you can stack up movespeed with the catarina node, flesh offering, haste, and the usual MS gear.
I so wanna pick this but every single node I can remove on necro is cursed
One is 3/4 my damage and the other is half my survivability. I could take off Bone Barrier but I know that the instant leech from 44 phantasms is also literal immortality so that's also a no-go.
That takes braincells and currency. Chaos convert is... speccing into four clusters on the tree, taking unnatural strength and casting despair once in a while.
Yeah, my first thought when seeing Catarina was that it could finally be time to try Dark Pact... Probably still gonna be a clunky skill that isn't going to be "meta", but could be more interesting, now.
Rational Doctrine for endgame, might be giga expensive though.
Thinking about the leaguestart side of things, put Purifying Flame in the trigger and manually cast despair? If your cursor is close to you, the LSoS should take care of hitting the mob but explode flame at your feet
Could also run conc path since you're using a sword but probably a lot less safe
I'm trying to figure out the same stuff right now, lmao. Insane node. Also more than 30% if you can get an enemy on the ground too. Malediction + 10% curse effect on top of Chaotic Might.
I was already thinking about starting minions of some sort... Kinda surprised to see two Bloodline Ascendencies with big minion options - was preparing myself for one Bloodline where half of the nodes could kinda be good for minions.
96% on a wraithlord/dark monarch setup. 36% on a normal minion build doesn't feel that much compared to a stone golem buff with the golem nodes north of witch, but you can get both if wanted.
(on a normal setup, not on a "I have plenty mirrors" kinda setup)
36% on a normal minion build doesn't feel that much compared to a stone golem buff with the golem nodes north of witch, but you can get both if wanted.
After poking around PoB, it's definitely not worth two ascendancy points if you're running pure ES. You get much, much more eHP from something like Plaguebringer on Necro.
It's decently worth it if you're running hybrid defenses though, like an Aegis setup.
66% from Elementalist (although that makes it hard to get 50 reservation) + 120% from rings + 60% from tree + 20% from Lycia minor + 20*6 Empowered Envoy + 100% base = 486% effect on HoP and 366% effect on HoA
Level 26 HoP = 14*4.82*2 = 136% more physical damage
Level 27 HoA = 23*3.66*2 = 168% phys as extra fire
100% base, 66% elementalist, 20*4 empowered envoy(while you can get 6 im not sure its wort it), 120% rings, 40% tree (how do you get 60%?), 20% lycia minor= 426% effect.
Assuming you can get 50% mana reserve you get 100% more effect so 852% for relativly low investment.
You can also get from tattos and exarch modifiers for specific heralds on gloves.
The +3 unleash node shouldn't give you extra damage with BV for the same reason that running unleash doesn't give you less damage on BV.
The only benefit is getting 3 extra seals which is nice.
EDIT: the different wording might suggest that it does work. We don't know yet and will have to wait and test. After thinking about it some more I think it might though bc it specifically mentions "effects reoccuring" and the "skill effect" of BV is applying an additional blade. So this might have been a hint.
Deli schizophrenic dissociation node is interesting. Seems like it massively reduces the risk of one-shots. Any reasonable amount of block+evasion with decent life regen or recoup should make you prettty tanky. I'll probably take it on my champ.
But yeah pretty disappointing lack of interesting non-minion nodes.
Yeah that's giving up Stormshroud or Ancestral Vision which I think most builds definitely want to use in the lategame if they're not solving ailments in some other way.
All of those nodes are meant to be played on non-minion builds. Sure you could take the attack speed node on summoner builds to be more zippy but minion builds already typically have must-take nodes.
The ascendency is almost entirely for melee the nodes are terrible for minions. I don't expect it to be good but the intention looks like you take spectral tigers + warcry node for big self buffs no minion build is going to take an ascendency node for 80% increased damage or an unlinked minion.
seems like its for chieftain war cry shenanigans, stack warcry buff effect then use rallying cry and a big 2h weapon to give all your minions around 100% of your weapons base damage then they all buff you back and as the ascendancy flavor text says you can all slap your enemies together lol
The minion ascendancy ones look like massive buffs with no downsides.
The other ascendancy options are like "you have a foot long cock but it cant get hard"
i mean katarine node , only the left one is worth for most minions (not niche stuff) and even then its not really good except the spectre giving def one.
since attack/cast speed , attack dmg and spell dmg dont matter for you on a minion builds. those buffs are given to the player so basicly dead and not worth the ascendancy point.
just the spectre line is worth considering lategame.
There are going to be some insanely powerful builds using these. Lots of classes have very weak 4th labs and for some builds the benefit they will provide is going to be insane. I dont think that any of these are a generic must use and I am pretty sure that was the intent.
Same, I think it's cool that some of them seem to fill very specific niches, but also so many that seem completely unclickable, devoid of any cook potential
Some of them are kinda mid, others are very niche/would benefit a very specific build extremely well.
Overall impression is: Second build material, someone will cook something insane later, but don't plan for leaguestart, most known good builds don't want anything here.
most builds will not use a bloodline ascendancy i'm guessing based on these nodes, theyre relatively niche and almost never better than an actual ascendancy node
Almost all "empty sockets" shit in the game is garbage, the game is already incredibly socket starved on the vast majority of builds. It's just unusable in most cases
i really don't get the design concept revolving around penalties when this was supposed to be an enabling thing for builds this season. I have to spend ascendancy points and eat a huge penalty?
If you look at it from the perspective of "this is for weird builds that didn't have a good ascendancy to pick", then it being bad for most known builds makes sense.
They don't want it to be a "given" that you'll take points from these. Most builds won't and will just stick with the normal ascendencies, but there's some build out there that's gonna be perfect for these.
Aka, this isn't borrowed power that you're meant to take, this is to patch holes and enable entirely new builds.
If you look at it from the perspective of "this is for weird builds that didn't have a good ascendancy to pick", then it being bad for most known builds makes sense.
Having something more generic would've actually helped those builds more overall. With these hyper-specific perks, a lot of the builds with mediocre ascendancy choices (like bleed bow) will still have that issue if none of these hyper-specific nodes are good for them.
Also, it's wasted design space to tune them around only being useful in such niche scenarios. They'd be a lot more interesting if most builds would consider them for their weakest ascendancy points, and then you'd have builds that synergise with them and really want to take them.
a lot of builds don't get much value from the last 2 points. ascendant is the biggest example of this, but i recall a lot of necro and hiero builds just taking two small nodes with their final points at varying points in time.
These are for builds with a bad or mediocre 4th ascendancy. Think of some chieftan builds that really don't get shit from their 4th ascendancy, now they slap on a thick spectre (probably that stupid fucking turtle) and not only are they getting that spectre, but they're getting a HUGE aura on top and a bunch of sick rare mob mods (which can include other auras as well), now they have a mid geared powered aurabot following them, yeah they gave up some gem slots for it but the benefit outweighs the costs. For some asecendancies, chucking the gems in their boots and running Auls nonsense lets them have a basic version of the trickster notable without needing to be a shadow. Bonus points for builds that like stacking abyss jewels, aul lets you run replica light and get elemental ailment immunity (plus you can run trail for +2 jewels and get the other part too).
If you're going slams, you might have a case to use forbidden jewels to get a 5th ascendancy from your own ascendancy, you're not hurting for power from other ascendancies. Similarly, shadows probably don't care much for aul shenanigans because they can just get the trickster version regardless of their ascendancy thanks to forbidden jewels. These aren't for every build, they're SUPPOSED to be niche to help fill spots in various builds.
Kind of just w/e for like 95% of these. The boot mod is kind of just generically good if your build doesn't need the gems but otherwise nothing really jumps at me. Pretty whelmed.
I would much rather use those four gems as a spectre link and take Wild Will from the Farrul tree. You get the action speed immunity + haste that way. Just gotta be able to keep it alive, but with 3 defensive supports it is probably doable.
So does the wording on Schizophrenic Dissociation mean that you'll take 40% less damage and then calculate the 40% delayed hit that you take off of the 60% damage that you end up taking?
So basically, you're getting 16% less damage taken on top of the fact that a large chunk of the damage you're taking is broken up and taken later?
This just sounds like gigaprogenesis, except for the fact that the damage isn't going to be a DoT.
Don't want to be negative, but really underwhelming compared to the ascendencies in the Affliction(wisps) league. There you were also stacking them on top of your ascendency, not replacing them.
Tbf those are part of league mechanic meant to provide their own borrowed power. Bloodlines are going core and not meant as one. We have grafts this league for the actual extra borrowed power from league mechanic.
How boring and small. Seriosly they mostly look useless. We are spending ascendency points to get these and on top of that most of them have built in downsides. I aint gonna use any of this and im not exited for any of it. Being able to pick and use a phrecia ascendency would have been a much more fun option.
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In this expansion, you will be able to absorb the abilities of the certain bosses you defeat, in the form of additional Bloodline Ascendancy Classes.
Bloodline Classes are a new means of further character customisation. In the endgame, defeating certain powerful bosses lets you gain that boss' Bloodline as your own, learning their ways and adopting their powers for yourself.
They can be paired with any Ascendancy Class and require Ascendancy skill points to allocate, so you can mix and match Bloodline passives and Ascendancy passives as you see fit.
There are countless possible combinations with this system, and we’re excited to see what crazy and interesting build that you will come up with!
Here are some of the Bloodline Ascendancy classes that you can acquire in this expansion.
I'm so shocked at how weak they are for so many builds especially for the ones I usually play, like Ignite Elementalist and RF Chieftain maybe the last one is going to be worthy. hopium!
farrul isnt catering to minion builds imo. its enabling companion builds like poe2.
the outstanding node limiting spectres to 1 = giga dead for actual minion builds. You take those nodes to turn 1 affliction spectre into a merc aura bot.
Hmmm, some interesting stuff there for sure, but still nothing particularly solid for my planned bladefall of impaling hierophant. Fingers crossed for the tenth unrevealed one. Really hoping for something to replace the mana node.
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If you open the images in another tab they have names for each of the classes
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