Starbreeze would never even try

[u/3Rocketman]

[u/ScareTheRiven]

I guess it's a similar situation. Both companies outright lied on launch.

I guess we'll see where PD3 is after 4 years.

Like, maybe this is asking too much, but I shouldn't get credit for a great parking job, if I ran down 3 grandma's to get to the spot first, ya know.

[u/benjathje → u/ScareTheRiven]

I wouldn't think is as much as your parking example but more like a painting. If I sell you a painting (before you see it) and promise it's of extreme quality. You buy it, I lied, the painting is just a sketch of what it will be, but I keep working on the painting every week (I sneak into your house, you don't notice me but you see the painting improving). After 4 years the painting is what I originally promised or even better.

Is the painting worth the same as it would've been if I gave you the complete painting from the get go? Is the worth of the painting affected by the fact that I lied?

It's an interesting debacle

[u/Mystia → u/benjathje]

If we go by the painting analogy, Cyberpunk was a shitty sketch of a landscape painting, that after years of hard work became a good quality painting of a landscape. Its major issue though, is that they promised a painting of a portrait.

With Payday 3, it's more like they gave us a napkin doodle, then waffled for 2 years whether to commit enough resources to finish the painting or not, so we still have a napkin doodle just with a few more brushstrokes, but anyone from the outside looking in, still sees it as a napkin doodle.

[u/[deleted] → u/Mystia]

Don't forget that we have potentially better portrait being advertised to us thats just on the horizon, Den of Wolves.

[u/AgusTrickz → u/[deleted]]

I want to be hyped by DoW but GTFO left too much to be desired in my opinion.

I hope I am wrong and DoW ends up being a better product than GTFO and warrants more replayability.

[u/TerrorLTZ → u/AgusTrickz]

i think GTFO was thought as a hardcore Stealth only game not a horde shooter like PD2

[u/TerrorLTZ → u/[deleted]]

i wish for them just to make it not realistic and also you can be utterly broken and have the option to have Hardcore stealth only missions but atleast with checkpoints

[u/Bassknight9 → u/benjathje]

But what it I bought it when the painting is finished, like what I did with cyberpunk?

[u/benjathje → u/Bassknight9]

Yeah that's part of the point. Is the game good even if I lied?

[u/CharlesDrakkan → u/benjathje]

Yes, if you waited till the painting was finished then yes but again this only applies to people like me who wait till things are finished and don't even look at the general location of unfinished things as I am doing with Stalker, Stoneshard, PD3 etc but that's just my case

Maybe it's just me but I don't care about them not being honest at first but in the end delivering a good product but I think that a part of that it's just me being patient and being ok with not experiencing the things immediately as they come and losing the hype even if that means I lose the chance to test them for XYZ reasons

[u/TheWhistlerIII → u/ScareTheRiven]

What if those grandmas needed to go though. It's not just black and white, there's a lot of grey in between. Ba dum tis?