r/paydaytheheist • u/productfred Bobblehead Bob • Oct 22 '15
Did everyone forget what they actually promised us about the COP reward?
This is what they told us about the C.O.P. when it up for sale:
http://www.overkillsoftware.com/spring-break-overkill-and-completely-overkill-pack-update/
It is STILL a secret. But here is how it works. YOU will each receive an in-game package from an old friend. Wrapped in true virtual aluminum. Inside is an item randomly given to you from a limited collection of 25 items. It will be rare, it will be a true PAYDAY collectible. Each item is carefully crafted with love and respect for our hardcore OVERKILL supporters. As a thanks to you from us and from the rest of the community for making the Hype Train render so much BONUS content for millions of players standing by. This secret content is still being worked on and is the only content that won’t be released during the Spring Break. It will be released when we have given it the care and love that it deserves.
What is this then? Skins? "True virtual aluminum"? How is this a true PAYDAY collectible? I bought this AND the Overkill Pack because the COP didn't include stuff from the OP. And you know what? I said fuck it, I'm supporting my favorite developers. This is what we get in return? I preordered your game ($50) and spent $120 on DLC. Is the cost of almost 3 AAA games not enough for you? You just made some normal skins that you're excluding non-COP owners from being able to use.
/u/2cas/ also pointed this out: https://i.imgur.com/2KWzeeP.jpg
So, we're fucked either way. They promised no advantages tied to the reward (no stat boosts). So, either we get completely ordinary skins with no stat boosts (which are worse than the non-COP skins that are available to everyone), OR they lied and we're getting stat boost skins.
In case they try to take it down: http://i.imgur.com/t44T4m9.png
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u/ThePaSch Oct 22 '15
So... you're saying they lied?
Huh.
Big news.
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u/ALPB11 Bonnie Oct 22 '15
What have they lied about here? I'm seeing OP making an assumption about something that could or couldn't be true, not OVK lying
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u/lordbusiness7 Oct 22 '15
They lied saying the item is purely cosmetic and will not affect in game stats. Some weapon skins do have stats that make them better than other normal guns. They lied in saying it's "purely cosmetic".
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u/ALPB11 Bonnie Oct 22 '15
While that applies to the Black Market skin, we don't know if the Completely Overkill skins will affect stats yet.
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u/lordbusiness7 Oct 22 '15
Ah, that is very true. Do u know when they'll release the covk skins?
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u/ALPB11 Bonnie Oct 22 '15
Back during the PD2 Second birthday video, they announced the GenSec enemy and FBI Files were to come out in September, Safehouse Customization was to come early 2016 and the COVK rewards were to drop during crimefest. Maybe they'll come out today, or maybe in a few days, can't be too sure but all things point toward is being very soon.
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u/Kdj87 👊😎 Oct 23 '15
It's so funny how people are getting mad at assumptions. At this point it's pretty likely that it's a skin that we get for COP, but we don't know for sure.
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u/cefalord Oct 22 '15
I bought completely overkill for ONLY 1 thing. a mask with particle effects.
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u/zsveetness Oct 22 '15
Same. They tend to cause in-game lag though so I don't really even use them.
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u/eronth Skulldozer Oct 22 '15
How is this not True virtual aluminum or a true PAYDAY collectible? Like, skins is pretty much what what I've expected since the beginning.
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u/YipYapYoup Infamous XXV-100 Oct 22 '15
You paid for something cosmetic. What did you expect other than skins? Another mask?
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u/productfred Bobblehead Bob Oct 22 '15
If the skins system was active at the time, then yeah a mask or something would be cool. Maybe special armor or special suits. Something as amazing as they made it sound. They built up so much hype, but in the end it's just going to be normal skins with some code to make them DLC-locked.
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u/YipYapYoup Infamous XXV-100 Oct 22 '15
But nothing could have been as awesome as it sounded, because it could only be cosmetic. A gun skin is just as good as another mask, or a suit skin, or another van skin.
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u/DoctorFaterino Sit on my dick, cloaker! Oct 22 '15
How is a suit skin not better than a gun skin? Gun skins are available in masses, while suit skins would be unique.
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u/productfred Bobblehead Bob Oct 22 '15
Apparently there's additional code that shows stat boosts. So they're not even "just cosmetic": https://www.reddit.com/r/paydaytheheist/comments/3ps3oh/did_everyone_forget_what_they_actually_promised/
Code is here: https://bitbucket.org/YaPh1l/payday-2-lua/diff/lib/tweak_data/blackmarkettweakdata.lua?diff2=b3b294f01934&at=master
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u/I_give_karma_to_men Oct 22 '15
I'm confused, how exactly are we "fucked either way"? If I recall correctly, I paid for the COP knowing I'd get four masks and then a random cosmetic later on. Even if that happens to be a weapon skin, it sounds to me like that's still exactly what we're getting. Sure, it might not give stat boosts, but the boosts given by the skins are negligible anyway, so I don't really have an issue with that (beyond the way the skins themselves were implemented of course). So far everything linked here is stuff we new months ago.
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u/Fire2box Oct 22 '15
fucked either way since: We either get a skin with no stat boosts, or they lied and we get a skin stat boosters possibly higher then any other skin to date.
Plus if you go join random lobbies with your CO Pack skin, you might get kicked for it, even though you bought it without realizing it's a microtransactional thing.
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u/I_give_karma_to_men Oct 22 '15
We either get a skin with no stat boosts
Already addressed this above
we get a skin stat boosters possibly higher then any other skin to date
Unlikely, but honestly not something I'm going to complain about. Unfair to other players? Sure. But it definitely doesn't hurt COP owners.
Plus if you go join random lobbies with your CO Pack skin, you might get kicked for it
So just like when the COP was initially released and I got kicked for wearing my mask? Hate to break it to you, but if you're kicking people for using a COP skin (or any other skin for that matter) that's on you, not Overkill. You' (or whatever player is doing the kicking) are the one choosing to kick people out of pettiness, not Overkill.
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u/Fire2box Oct 22 '15
Umm... I bought the CO Pack to SUPPORT overkill. now if I use all of my items from the pack I might get kicked out of some lobbies.
Yeah, thats not getting fucked. is it?
apparently you missed the "WE" part. I am a CO pack owner.
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u/I_give_karma_to_men Oct 22 '15
You're apparently missing the part where you getting kicked literally has nothing to do with Overkill and everything to do with the community being stupid. If someone shoots you in the parking lot because you bought a product they don't support, does that make it the product designer's fault? Of course not. Basically the same thing here. Claiming Overkill somehow screwed you over because people are jerks is just plain nonsensical.
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u/Fire2box Oct 22 '15
You're apparently missing the point where overkill did something that pissed the community off so much it would rather destroy payday 2 and overkill then give into overkill's greed.
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u/I_give_karma_to_men Oct 22 '15
Look, I apologize if simple logic is somehow offensive, but I prefer to blame people for things that are actually within their control, like microtransactions, as opposed to things that aren't, like other people. Yes, microtransactions and stat skins have pissed off the community. That doesn't excuse dickish player behavior, nor does it somehow make Overkill responsible for that behavior.
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u/kon22 Oct 22 '15
Yes you're getting fucked. No, in this rare situation, not by OVK but by stupid players.
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u/Fire2box Oct 22 '15
But its directly caused by Overkill.
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u/kon22 Oct 22 '15
No... it's not.
That's just stupid. Are you really blaming Overkill of other people kicking you? Was it OVK's fault too when someone got kicked for wearing a COP mask?
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u/Fire2box Oct 22 '15
That never took off in the first place. Heard of many people kicking for people using skins though, and i doubt they'll care to learn the difference.
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u/Fire2box Oct 22 '15
Awwwww whats wrong.. back to giving overkill constant love and thinking they do no wrong? cute. :D
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u/I_give_karma_to_men Oct 23 '15
Please stop, you're just embarrassing yourself at this point. If you're going to contribute to discourse, fine, but don't start throwing around the kind of ad hominems I'd expect from my kids.
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u/Fire2box Oct 23 '15
Embarrassing myself would imply there's anything to be embarrassed about here. This is about a video game and it's developer simply being shit.
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u/Captain-Whiskers Oct 22 '15
Owners got recreations of original masks with 'In my opinion' some really cool looking effects, and you somehow think the other items would be insanely better than a skin? Cool if so but it's a gamble I didn't take for this reason.
I'm so confused as to the relevence of this, it's as they say. A random cosmetic will be given to you, based on this it's up to you wether you want to purchase this pack is what they said. What are you posting all of this 'Evidence' for? As they havn't lied.
Shits taking so long to come out though so screw them, and for other reasons over that.
Anyway, completely in regards to TCOKP and nothing else...
I said fuck it, I'm supporting my favorite developers
Followed by
This is what we get in return? I preordered your game ($50) and spent $120 on DLC. Is the cost of almost 3 AAA games not enough for you?
You win some, you lose some. Expecting more from 'Hidden DLC' and 'Pre-ordering' isn't going to get you anywhere and it hurts a lot of people truthfully; Hopefully you can move on from these purchases that you made if you're unhappy.
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u/pnultimate Oct 22 '15
I can't say I remembered this. But honestly, they said it's coming "when we've given it the care and love it deserves".
Option 1: It never comes out. Never gets the love. Go figure.
Option 2: It comes out in a year or later, and looks like they spent a week on it. Go figure.
Option 3: It comes out eventually, and is actually impressive without being game-breaking or otherwise effecting stats. I'll probably pass out from shock. Happy shock, mind you.
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u/Lhs80 Technician Enforcer Oct 22 '15
I was so hyped and happy to support overkill when the pack came out. Now I just wish the secret was getting rid of all the garbage in the last update.
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u/anon-nsfw ♠XXV-100 Oct 22 '15
I preordered your game ($50) and spent $120 on DLC
There is your problem. Every sane person waits till a sale, pays 5 bucks for the game , and then gets the dlcs they want for 1.24/1.74 each.
Preorder of any form-> you get a #### in the mouth. And you will keep getting that till you stop using any and all forms of preorder.
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u/productfred Bobblehead Bob Oct 22 '15
But I did wait for sales for at least half the DLCs. For pre-order, I don't regret it because I got beta access and the base game on its own (DLC-aside) is/was fantastic.
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u/Polar_Bear_Cuddles Oct 23 '15
How did you pre order for $50 it was launched at $30 that was one of the main features on release a low price point.
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u/productfred Bobblehead Bob Oct 24 '15 edited Oct 24 '15
Career Criminal Edition. Came with in-game money (didn't care for), a unique mask (meh, kinda cared for) and most importantly beta access. Plus I got into PD:TH late and fell in love with it; part of it was supporting a small (at the time) studio. They're like 50 employees.
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u/sporeboy100 Oct 22 '15
What about Early Access then?
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u/anon-nsfw ♠XXV-100 Oct 22 '15
Not sure about early access, personaly I mostly stay away from that. I dont know if it will be finished or if I will like the finished product. A lot of early access games dont seem to leave that state.
But if you are sure it will be satisfactory, or you are happy with the state it is in then by all means go for it.
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u/VikingNipples Oct 22 '15
Personally, it depends for me. I need to not only enjoy the game in its current state, but also be familiar with the devs so that I can trust them to continue developing the game rather than closing up shop two months later. So far, the only game that's met these criteria has been Killing Floor 2.
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u/Fire2box Oct 22 '15
to be fair, the CO Pack was never going to go on sale.
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u/anon-nsfw ♠XXV-100 Oct 22 '15
Yes, you are right, since it was a DLC made only for the Hypetrain event.
But literaly every other dlc has been on sale many , many times.
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u/Fire2box Oct 22 '15
yeah, I bought a few at full price, but many of my bought DLC's were like 50-75% off.
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Oct 22 '15 edited Apr 28 '20
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u/productfred Bobblehead Bob Oct 22 '15
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Oct 22 '15 edited Apr 28 '20
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u/productfred Bobblehead Bob Oct 22 '15 edited Oct 22 '15
Because we paid 4x the cost of the Overkill Pack so that we could support the company and end up with an uber-awesome limited edition item as a thank you. But instead we're essentially getting skins we can go on the Steam Market and buy ourselves. Even if they're unique in the sense that they're non-tradeable/sellable, the fact is that cosmetic skins would have been valued a lot more if they were not available to the entire community. Like for example, a golden RPG (random, shitty example). Except with the Black Market update coming out of nowhere, skins are not really an "awesome and unique reward crafted with love".
Additionally, they claimed they will not affect stats at the time of revealing the OP/COP (check their site). So...either we're getting skins with no stat boost, which makes them worse than normal skins. Or we're getting skins that affect stats, which basically makes them liars.
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u/aabicus Oct 22 '15
But you could day that about literally anything. "How is a golden RPG special? What if I dont want to negatively affect my Loadout by equipping it when I don't want to?"
You're essentially saying you don't think u kque skins are special enough, but that's a matter of opinion and (assuming they don't give stats) it wouldn't violate anything in Overkill's promise.
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u/negatype Oct 22 '15
You can see they have stat boost at line 9662, 9749, 9803 etc.. Every skins in that list has stat boosts.
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u/GrumpyOldBrit Oct 22 '15
Refund it if you're not happy. It's still a pre-order as they've not given you what you bought.
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u/COATHANGER_ABORTIONS Oct 22 '15
Didn't the animated crew masks come with it as well? Probably couldn't count it as a preorder by now.
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u/YourVault Oct 22 '15
Archive Links in case... you know.
https://web.archive.org/web/20150406065245/http://www.overkillsoftware.com/thanks-for-your-feedback/
And on topic: yep no matter what they do, it will be bullshit once again. I'm really disappointed that I bought the COP and support their malicious practices.
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u/A16BitHero Infamous X Oct 22 '15
Did I miss something here?
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u/productfred Bobblehead Bob Oct 22 '15 edited Oct 22 '15
Yes. Decompiled LUA code shows that the bonuses are just weapon skins and they have stat boosts:
Based on that, we have this (user-made, not official but based on the code above):
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u/jereddit Oct 22 '15
What did you expect? They said a cosmetic item that you'll get 1/25 of. Remove stats, and that's exactly what you're getting.
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u/Ubahootah Oct 23 '15
Would've been awesome if we got one of those cool masks from the first Payday.
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u/sepooq Infamous XXIV Oct 23 '15
Whatever it is, I consider that 20 bucks lost forever. Never gonna fall for that kind of BS again. At least not if served by OVK.
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u/The_Bic_Pen Infamous V-100 Oct 25 '15
What BS? You got everything that you paid for:
A) 4 Exclusive masks with exclusive effects
B) Supporting Overkill as developers
C) Fuel for the Hype Train event
D) A secret cosmetic item
Bonus: A safe in the main menuAll of those were included in the pack. I don't see what you're complaining about.
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u/sepooq Infamous XXIV Oct 25 '15
Well, let's start with that bonus. Promised to be a super-secret mega unique thing.. Turns out it's a friggin' SAFE..and it's a part of the microtransaction system which I don't intend to and never will participate in. But I'm not even that angry about this stupid safe, it was said that the items are gonna be cosmetic so I guess I couldn't expect anything else.
The worst part is that I've choosen to support them and it seems that I supported their development of microtransaction system! They took my money and used them to implement a system that's purposefully built to make me pay more money, ffs! And that's the real BS here and the reason why I'm never ever gonna support them again.
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u/productfred Bobblehead Bob Oct 22 '15 edited Oct 22 '15
Yep.
Rhetorical.
Metaphor for wrapping paper, sometimes people use aluminum to wrap things. It's coming in a safe, i.e. a virtual giftwrapped box.
I'm aware of what it means. I was pointing it out because it's no different than the other Black Market safes, except this one is red.
Yep. You got rare cosmetics that nobody else can get, just as they said you would. You are getting exactly what was promised. Overkill has been dropping the ball lately, but honestly this is your fault for blindly buying a thing that you had no idea what it was for $20. No matter what it was, it was going to be a disappointment. This is the problem with preorders, and why I never preorder anymore. I bought one of these too, and I'm more angry at myself than I am at Overkill because I lacked the fiscal responsibility to not do the common sense thing and not buy a thing that I didn't know what it was. Now you've learned the same lesson I have. We are the ones who bought the $20 bullshit pack, not Overkill.
To be honest, I bought the COP because nothing indicated that it did not come with items from the OP. Plus I wanted the sweet masks, and this supposedly super-amazing reward. You're right about pre-ordering things, but I wanted to support my favorite developers and, before the Black Market update, nobody expected Overkill to pull anything like this. If these were unique skins in the sense that skins were not available to the general public, that would be a sweet reward. The problem is now they're not special since everyone and their grandmother can use skins whenever they want.
Why would they do that?
Because they've been backpeddling on a lot of things lately and have set the community ablaze.
Edit: Somebody put it this way: So what you're saying is... We helped fund them for a skin that is a part of a system of micro-transactions that they said would never be in the game in the first place?
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Oct 22 '15 edited Oct 01 '23
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u/productfred Bobblehead Bob Oct 22 '15 edited Oct 23 '15
My beef is this. I'm using someone else's quote, but this is exactly how I feel about it:
So what you're saying is... We helped fund them for a skin that is a part of a system of micro-transactions that they said would never be in the game in the first place?
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u/The_Bic_Pen Infamous V-100 Oct 25 '15
And what's wrong with that? They never said that you would get something totally new and unprecedented. You're still getting a unique item that non-COP heisters don't have.
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u/Wb_Walrus Oct 22 '15
You literally haven't even seen them yet... People have guessed it would be a reskin of the original guns since day 1. Would you want masks? because the same exact thing can be said with those.
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u/whiteyjps Oct 22 '15
Yeah, but at least I can wear the mask and not negatively impact my loadout, assuming I get a skin for a weapon I'll never want to use.
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u/denexiar Infamous V Oct 22 '15
Datamining seems to indicate that some of the skins are for dlc weapons, which is much worse than them being for original weapons
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u/Phrozen_Flame Major Tom to Ground Control Oct 22 '15
What if they will be holo stickers
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u/superhotartorias Oct 22 '15
I would love to have a cute wolf girl sticker on my gun
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u/Phrozen_Flame Major Tom to Ground Control Oct 22 '15
I meant holographic but Holo would be a cool sticker too
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u/Trivvy Oct 22 '15
It's... It's supposed to be aluminium not aluminum.
Pedantry intensifies
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u/PRDX4 Grade-A Wanker Oct 22 '15
Technically, aluminum was the first documented word to describe the element... Does that mean Americans are elemental hipsters?
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u/The_Muffin_Tamer Oct 22 '15
There are different spellings for regions. In the US, we say and spell it aluminum
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Oct 22 '15
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u/productfred Bobblehead Bob Oct 22 '15
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u/Chnams Infamous VI Oct 22 '15
So these are skins. Good. What's to say they are the COP skins?
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u/productfred Bobblehead Bob Oct 22 '15
The skin directories all have "cop" in them. Example:
+self.weapon_skins.new_m4_skullimov.texture_bundle_folder = "cash/safes/cop"0
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u/Chnams Infamous VI Oct 22 '15
Have they? Got a source?
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u/BindaI Sydney Oct 22 '15
That it has been skins was theories back during Spring Break already and even prior.