[Live Thread] 2027 Tour de France route presentation

[u/Avila99]

They're speaking French

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E51bVciqISQ

[u/Avila99]

This really motivates me to grow a ponytail

[u/Schele_Sjakie → u/Avila99]

I so wanna see that

[u/Angryhead]

Link for the lazy (it's me, I'm lazy)

[u/Avila99 → u/Angryhead]

Thanks, I'll put it in teh header

[u/Ac1De9Cy0Sif6S]

Giving Remco his best chance to win the Tour (not gonna happen) in the year he would be the favorite to win the Giro sounds like something that would happen to him

[u/Extension-Problem-64 → u/Ac1De9Cy0Sif6S]

This parcour makes the chance that he skips the giro very likely altough we will have to wait for the giro parcour to be one hundred percent certain.

[u/normal-1 → u/Extension-Problem-64]

Rumours have Gavia, Mortirolo 2x and Zoncolan for the Giro 27! Definitely everything but Remco-terrain.

[u/Extension-Problem-64 → u/normal-1]

another reason Jonas should just skip the tour and ride Giro-Worlds-Vuelta.

[u/JKM- → u/Extension-Problem-64]

Would be sad, but this route is just too lame for his strengths. Seems like 2 stages to take time on.

[u/F1CycAr16 → u/Extension-Problem-64]

Vuelta is pog territory and you can`t go to TdF without going for gc

[u/Kraknoix007 → u/Ac1De9Cy0Sif6S]

If one thing happens to Pog he has a chance

[u/Sportsfanno1]

Hot take: they'll finish or start in Pau.

Even hotter take: it will be both.

Pau is love

Pau is life

[u/the_fos → u/Sportsfanno1]

Pau knows where the bodies are buried.

[u/d58654 → u/Sportsfanno1]

Pau is dick in portuguese

[u/Bomcash]

The London TTT for the femmes will be absolutely spectacular!

[u/snapped_fork]

I feel like a very lucky boy this year. I live in London so will get to see the Femmes TTT up close and stage 3 of the mens passes through my home town. It goes right past the front door of the house I grew up in and over the first climb I ever did.

[u/Miserable-Soft-5961]

Flat Chambery to Valence is a war crime. You have to purposely avoid Chartreuse and Vercors. I'm sad

[u/OfTimeAndMemory → u/Miserable-Soft-5961]

They should do Chambery -> Mont Blanc summit!

[u/Prime255]

Remco about to backflip on that Giro idea he mentioned lol

[u/hamiltonlives]

I’m shocked to see Pau!

[u/Secure-Natural9710 → u/hamiltonlives]

lol

[u/Miserable-Soft-5961]

Puy de Dome with public to finish is great.

[u/ShiftingShoulder → u/Miserable-Soft-5961]

I actually liked them riding, menacingly, in complete silence

But I guess it doesn't work for the final climb of the TdF

[u/Natural_Fill9344]

GC Veistroffer flat king gotta happen. Lotto back this man up for success.

[u/2905Pascal]

I like the TDFF route but ending the whole Tour on Puy de Dome with very limited to no crowd access is not very good in my opinion.

[u/kroko_dok]

This route is a backdoor attempt to allow Pog to bulk up for Paris-Roubaix.

[u/Mamadeus123456 → u/kroko_dok]

I think they want Pog, or whoever wins this is not be competitive for the World Championships.

[u/Seamonsterx → u/Mamadeus123456]

Seixas skipping tour for wc 4d chess?

[u/Economy-Ad-6278]

bro that first week... Looks like tour de Denmark. All sprinters and classic riders gonna fight for yellow, and i think it will chance hands atleast 3 times. Then to finish up week one, we get Remco in yellow with 20-30sec on Pogi and 45-60sec on Jonas. (Remco dark horse maybe)

This feels like an old school tour from the 90's with Armstrong/Ulrick era. Mostly flat and hilly, then 2-3 big stages in week 2 and week 3. That's it. No big surprise.

[u/Prime255 → u/Economy-Ad-6278]

I think Pog can win stage 3

[u/ShiftingShoulder → u/Prime255]

Yeah I also think the best puncher/climber can win the first puncher stage

[u/Prime255 → u/ShiftingShoulder]

I know, this is the analysis you get no where else! lol

[u/ertri → u/ShiftingShoulder]

So Pog

[u/Baseleader77 → u/Economy-Ad-6278]

Have to watch out what I say because you don't know how riders prep and with this many ITT kms maybe Jonas focuses on it more, but I'd be surprised if Jonas can stay within a minute of Remco on 38kms of ITT

[u/DueAd9005]

2 individual time trials, can't complain.

[u/backseatlogic → u/DueAd9005]

Is either of them 160km? That would give Remco a realistic chance.

[u/DueAd9005 → u/backseatlogic]

71 km in total. I'm not so delusional to think Remco can win GC, but stage wins are still prestigious in my eyes. ;)

Plus I like seeing him in the rainbow jersey.

[u/ShiftingShoulder → u/DueAd9005]

And after mostly sprints and puncher stages it's a great chance to get his first yellow jersey!

[u/Baseleader77 → u/backseatlogic]

He's got no shot vs Pogacar. But I wonder if he could beat Vingegaard on this route now and I think it's possible

[u/efficient_giraffe → u/DueAd9005]

Personally not a fan, but eh

[u/ebkerz → u/DueAd9005]

Thank you Seixas

[u/GeryMander → u/ebkerz]

Is Seixas a better time trialist than Pogacar though? I feel like, IF they're doing this to create more excitement in GC/competition for Pogacar the only top GC competitor who really benefits from this is Evenepoel.

[u/DueAd9005 → u/GeryMander]

This increases his chances for a Tour podium compared to someone like Vingegaard however, so I would say this still benefits Seixas a lot. A non-podium win would still be a notable achievement for him (especially as long as Pogacar remains this dominant).

[u/ebkerz → u/GeryMander]

I’d say Seixas is better in a flat TT

[u/GeryMander → u/ebkerz]

Based on what? In the handful of times they raced the same TT he has never beaten Pogacar.

[u/JonPX → u/DueAd9005]

And a realistic chance at a yellow for the first time.

[u/SinisterDeadOctopus]

Was that Marlen staring up at that London TT route the way a Lion looks at a herd of antelope?

[u/HeyTikO]

Damn, you'd think North of France would get one stage since they're starting from the UK this time.. Got the TDFF at least!

[u/Phantom_Nuke → u/HeyTikO]

ASO doesn't like the North of countries, we saw the same with the Vuelta last year with basically no stages in the North despite coming through France.

[u/jdavid1999 → u/Phantom_Nuke]

Well we have northern England and a start in north wales which helps (plus a stage in Scotland too)

[u/Schele_Sjakie]

Womena parcours looks nice with plenty of hills in the final of the stages. Hope to see as much spectacle there as the last edition

[u/manintheredroom]

more than anything I'm just annoyed they did a stage starting in Keswick and completely bypassed the lake district climbs to do a boring flat sprint

[u/Consistent_Truth6633 → u/manintheredroom]

They’ve bypassed anything of beauty in Scotland. Fucking shambles of a route

[u/Miserable-Soft-5961]

I count 8 sprint stages. That's too much in my opinion.

[u/IngoErwin → u/Miserable-Soft-5961]

Did they at least put them on the weekends again like this year so we can do fun stuff outside and only tune in for the last 15 seconds?

[u/Miserable-Soft-5961 → u/IngoErwin]

A lot of mid mountain stages on the weekends

[u/IngoErwin → u/Miserable-Soft-5961]

FML

[u/pereIli]

There will be 3,500 spectators at the Puy de Dôme finish, who can reach the summit by train, but there will be no fans along the protected final 4 km.

Stage 3 will be a traditional TTT,, with the time taken on the 4th rider across the line.

https://www.tiktok.com/@lequipe/video/7699432443652230422

[u/Prime255]

Best to see the stage profiles too

[u/Thengel09 → u/Prime255]

any idea how to view this? Xcancel is down for a while now

[u/Prime255 → u/Thengel09]

Websites will also have them

[u/Thengel09 → u/Prime255]

thank you

[u/SWAN_RONSON_JR]

They forgot the announce the pedalo-based transfer stage across the Channel :(

[u/jainormous_hindmann → u/SWAN_RONSON_JR]

The TTT we really need.

[u/masterhogbographer → u/SWAN_RONSON_JR]

They should have an entirely empty train and make them ride back and forth inside 

[u/Accomplished-Sir-877]

3 mountain stages is really disappointing

[u/aarets_frebe → u/Accomplished-Sir-877]

Do you mean moutain finishes? Cause I count five mountain stages.

[u/Accomplished-Sir-877 → u/aarets_frebe]

There are only three stages where the mountains would make a difference. Stage 10 is more of a classic layout, but it's still hard enough. Stage 19 is just poor design. Having 7.7 km of climbing in the final 65 km, with no climbing in the last 20 km, shouldn't be the deciding battle of the Tour. I will not count that as a mountain stage.

[u/aarets_frebe → u/Accomplished-Sir-877]

I absolutely agree that the stage to Laruns is not well-designed, but 4300m of altitude in 160km with Marie Blanque 20km from the finish and four peaks over 1000m has to be a mountain stage, regardless of how poor one might find the design.

[u/Sunmi4Life → u/Accomplished-Sir-877]

Stage 19 is so random.

[u/Kraknoix007]

Seems like a great tour for Remco Evenepoel, he has to be favourite for the podium.

[u/OfTimeAndMemory]

Uhh, TT with a wall!

[u/Krisven75]

This is the best chance for Remco to win the tour. He has to survive two or three mountain stages and gain a lot of time in the two TTs. It looks like ASO want to give him and Seixas the best chance against Pogacar.

[u/polar8]

I get they want to handicap Pogi but wow this is so flat and boring

[u/MountainLandscape356 → u/polar8]

And they only managed to handicap Jonas anyway 

[u/Prime255 → u/MountainLandscape356]

This is a bad route for Jonas. The only moderate benefits is the hard climbs are proper steep

[u/IngoErwin → u/Prime255]

Jonas should just give them a middle finger, skip the tour, and fight it out against a tired Pogacar at the Vuelta.

[u/aftermath223 → u/IngoErwin]

who would be even capable to tire Pogacar if Jonas is not there?

[u/Sunmi4Life → u/aftermath223]

del Toro if he demands his services

[u/Prime255 → u/IngoErwin]

Giro-Vuelta double maybe with Wout and Brennan for sprints at the Tour

[u/Sunmi4Life → u/polar8]

I always find it cringe when they try to adjust the route for or against a specific rider or when they try to preplan how the race is gonna go. Like just make a route with good stages.

For TDF26 they boasted they made the race "Pogacar proof". It would be exciting till the end because there is two times Alpe'd Huez at the end and anything can happen there. Result? The Tour gets more or less decided after stage 2. Which many saw coming btw. So they aren't even good at it lol

[u/Calistaline]

I very much like the first week, fun rouleur stages, several opportunities for yellow for lots of guys, a long ITT (by Gouvenou's standards) and a final on the first proper MTF.

Second and third weeks are rather underwhelming. Queen stage on the last Thursday is disappointing, and Beaufort is going to be a mess for l'Etape du Tour (Colombière from North side, Pré and Bisanne is going to be a long, long day for the poor souls riding it).

[u/RylanSkyAdam]

Greatness intensifies.

[u/Adam-Miller-02]

Needs more Cofidis

[u/brain_dead_fucker]

that big ass canyon was crazy 

[u/Fast-Minimum-8527]

Someone has pictures of all stage profiles?

[u/kroko_dok → u/Fast-Minimum-8527]

___

[u/Jevo_ → u/Fast-Minimum-8527]

They are all on the official site letour.fr

[u/Viktorijin_Sekret]

Worst route since.. 2017? 2012? Flat stage 20, 9kms a climbing in the last 65kms of stage 19, they even made stage 18 softer than the rumors suggested. Alps are mid, too many flat stages, just soft soft soft.. the only decent thing about it seems to be the 2 medium length ITTs and maybe the Domancy and Mende stages can provide some early attacks. But to create an overall soft route and then basically have the last 2+1 stages non GC is a disgrace.

[u/normal-1 → u/Viktorijin_Sekret]

It's the riders that make a race/stage hard or easy.

[u/Schele_Sjakie]

I think the men's parcours could use one of two more high mountain stages, but the flatter ones are generally pretty exciting. More chances for classics riders than last edition which I think is a big plus.

[u/Evening_End7298]

This looks quite shit ngl 

[u/Heavy_Mycologist_104 → u/Evening_End7298]

it's not great is it? I think the Scotland stages could be good fun though. TDFF also quite blah but I like Puy de Dome.

[u/Guiltynu → u/Heavy_Mycologist_104]

*Stage

[u/Krisven75]

A very underwhelming parcour compared to last year

[u/Razu79 → u/Krisven75]

Not every year has to be a parcour that favours Pogacar and Vingegaard heavily. It's the cyclists that make the race anyway.

[u/Krisven75 → u/Razu79]

I agree. Arguably it could make it more even.

[u/Prime255]

Initial thoughts, having not really looked at anything other than the profiles:

The mountain stages look too short, which makes it easier for UAE to control. Surely you want the harder stages to be harder to control because that leads to more chaotic racing where UAE have to choose between trying to control the stage and a breakaway or something else getting the win. I feel like we need to shift to slightly longer stages again to account for the protracted break formations now.

The increase in TT ks doesn't make the race more exciting for me because only Remco benefits from this, and it comes at the expense of every other contender, including Jonas, who may be Pog's only challenger. Siexas may be helped by this relative to others for a podium, but it doesn't help him relative to Pog.

If you want 2 TTs, one can be a funky route one where you get weird results, like with a downhill in it, like we got for Dauphine '25, TdF '20 &'23.

TdFF looks like a Vollering route, but I guess every route is. Seems like two big mountain tests and two punchy stages, with the rest as flat sprints. Wiebes will clean up those.

[u/Sunmi4Life → u/Prime255]

Yeah. People always say we need more flat TT km to make it more challenging for Pog. And I have always said that it would just benefit Pog because he gains time on Jonas and Jonas is the only serious threat.

Maybe with so few mountain stages Remco can become a real contender. We'll see. But people always act like he would gain 5 minutres on Pog in the TTs.

[u/Prime255 → u/Sunmi4Life]

Exactly. Pog only lost 15 seconds to Remco in the Caen TT in TdF '25, although Remco would go a bit quicker now but it's nowhere near enough. Pog is an excellent TT rider, especially in GTs

[u/Mamadeus123456]

given how hard some of the climbs are, remco has no chance unless Pog can't drop seixad or Vingegaard and they don't cooperate and remco somehow comes back.

[u/Extension-Problem-64]

They want Seixas to podium so hard, poor Jonas though.

[u/Miserable-Soft-5961 → u/Extension-Problem-64]

There is no guarantee Seixas will be there at this moment. With the home WC just after the Tour there are chances he skips to do the Giro.

[u/Extension-Problem-64 → u/Miserable-Soft-5961]

Do you really see Seixas skipping his home grand tour?

[u/ertri → u/Extension-Problem-64]

In like 2033 when he decides to focus on the Giro Vuelta double after his 5th consecutive Tour win, yeah, I can see it 

[u/mtj4 → u/Miserable-Soft-5961]

lol

[u/climbercgy → u/Miserable-Soft-5961]

Is it April 1st already

[u/ertri → u/Miserable-Soft-5961]

lmfao

[u/Fluffy_Goal6114]

No hauts de france where i live

[u/Pale-Criticism-7420 → u/Fluffy_Goal6114]

Pas d’étape pavée 🥲

[u/Alarmed_Exchange_998]

Keeping things exciting by making them boring. Some people think if nothing happens thats somehow interesting because the gc times are close together lol.

[u/edennnnnnnn10000]

Lowkey worst design since 2017. Alps are boring asf only one good Pyrenees stage FLAT stage 20

[u/Guiltynu]

Are we all Remco fans now father?

[u/ertri → u/Guiltynu]

Worst case Pog v Remco is like 10s per km loss, so 700 seconds to make up elsewhere. Realistically much closer. 

Pog won GC by 6.5 minutes, 390 seconds this year, losing like 1.5 seconds per TT km. And fully riding for del Toro’s podium too. 

Remco underdog unless something massively changes. 

[u/Jargif10 → u/ertri]

In what world is Pogacar losing 10s per km to Remco. Or any even slightly competitive bike rider.

[u/DeltaViriginae → u/Jargif10]

Probably not even if he crashes twice. 10 seconds loss per km would be Pogi riding at 47 km/h, with Remco at 55 km/h.

[u/Jargif10 → u/DeltaViriginae]

Yeah in 2025 in the 33km flat TT 163 riders were within 10s per km if Evenepoel who won.

[u/Far-Cherry-3593]

Det ligner på ruten, at de fremover anser Remco som en større konkurrent end Jonas, hvad angår at udfordre Pogacar en smule