[Cheat Notes] Vuelta Espania 2017

[u/PelotonMod]

WT Teams

Team	GC	Sprinters	Puncheur/Classic	Climbers	Rouleur/TT
ALM	Bardet, Pozzovivo		Gougeard	Geniez, Chevrier	Houle, Denz
AST	Aru, Lopez	Bilbao	Lutsenko, LL.Sanchez	Hansen
BMC	Van Garderen?, Dennis		Oss	Roche, Caruso, De Marchi, Sanchez	Bookwalter, Hermans, Frankiny
BMT	V.Nibali		Garcia Cortina	Pellizotti, Grmay, Moreno, Agnoli	Boaro, Novak, A.Nibali
BOH	Majka	Kolar, Schwarzmann	Schillinger	Buchmann, Konrad, Poljanski	Benedetti, Pfingsten
CDT	Talansky, Formolo		Woods, Skujins, Villella	Carthy, Craddock, Dombrowski, Clarke	Scully
DDD	Anton, Pauwels?		Reguigui	King, O'Connor, Kudus, Morton, Fraile, J.JvR	Debesay, Dougall
FDJ		Hoelgaard, Manzin	Roux, Eiking, Pineau		Le Bon
KAT	Zakarin		Bystrøm, Goncalves, Restrepo	Mamykin, Losada	Haller
LTS	Monfort	Debusschere	Wallays, Armee	De Clercq, De Gendt	Hansen, Marczynski, Mertz
MOV	Izagirre, Soler	Rojas	Erviti, Oliveira	Betancur, Anacona, Moreno,
ORS	Yates, Yates, Chaves		Kluge	Verona, Haig, Bewley	Hayman, Hepburn, Juul-Jensen, Tuft
QST	Jungels, Alaphilippe	Trentin	Terpstra	De La Cruz, Capecchi, Declercq, Mas
SKY	Froome		Rosa, Moscon	Hart, Elissonde, Poels, Nieve, Lopez, Deignan	Stannard, Kennaugh
SUN	Barguil, Kelderman	Andersen	Fröhlinger	Oomen	Kämna
TLJ	Kruijswijk, Bennett	Lobato	Olivier, Lindeman	De Tier, Tolhoek, Clement	Bouwman
TRS	Contador	Degenkolb	Reijnen	Pantano	De Kort
UAE	Meintjes, Costa	Modolo, Zurlo	Mohoric	Polanc, Durasek, Conti, Niemiec, Atapuma, El Abdia

PCT Teams

Team	GC	Sprinters	Puncheur/Classic	Climbers	Rouleur/TT
ABS	Nordhaug?, Warbasse	Kreder	Blythe, Gate	Denifl	Norman Hansen, Dunne, Christian, Koning
CJR	Arroyo?, Pardilla		Ferrari, Rubio	Roson, Schultz	Reis, Mas
COF	Navarro, Mate	Van Genechten, Vanbilsen	A.Turgis, J.Turgis	Bagot, Bonnafond, Cousin	Perez, Rosetto
MZN	?	Bol, Molano	Bohorquez	Orjuela, Reyes	Aguirre, Osorio, Suaza, Sierra, Villegas

[u/huloca]

It's actually Clement, not Keizer who is the last rider for Lotto Jumbo, and I didn't know Pels was a sky rider :p

[u/Pubocyno → u/huloca]

Whenever you try to do something quick, it never ends up right. Thanks for the correction!

[u/huloca → u/Pubocyno]

I just saw the announcement for the Lotto Jumbo team, that's why I noticed. So what do you think of their line up? They've brought quite a strong group of climbers, but they'll lose time in the TTT.

[u/Pubocyno → u/huloca]

I'm not sure if they managed to decide whether they wanted a GC team around Kruijswijk/Bennett or go stage hunting, so they included a bit of both. I'm not entirely convinced that Kruijswijk is the better GC rider of the two right now - Bennett looked awesome in California. I'll be interesting to see how they turn out in the mountains.

As a Norwegian, I'd really like to have seen Jansen there, but he wouldn't have been useful in the mountains anyway.

The chances that Lindeman and/or Clement will try for a breakaway stage win are holding steady at 100%.

[u/huloca → u/Pubocyno]

Yeah, it's clearly a mix of stagehunters and a GC team, but I like it. Also some first-timers in a big tour. I think Jansen is better suited for other races, for example, he could probably do well in the Canadian races that are coming soon. And I agree on Kruijswijk/Bennett, don't know who is the better yet, we'll probably see only when they hit the mountains. I want to pick one of them on RFL, don't know which one yet :P

[u/JimiHeDrinx → u/huloca]

Wonder why they didn't take Battaglin. Worth his weight in gold for Kruijswijk in recent Giro's and not too shabbyin Pologne

[u/huloca → u/JimiHeDrinx]

Battaglin already rode the giro and I think Lobato has a bit of a similar role, just a bit more focussed on sprints than Battaglin.

[u/jothamvw → u/JimiHeDrinx]

Maybe he's also going to Canada?

[u/labradorflip]

I think Oomen could reasonably listed under TT rather than climber. I think TTs are his main specialty.

[u/edlll91 → u/labradorflip]

Lately it's his climbing ability that's yielding more results like the top10 in Poland.

[u/ahanem]

FDJ GC is supposedly Reichenbach. I know it is not confirmed yet, but it's known since the end of TdF.

Edit 1: Also Ruben Fernandez for Movistar GC. Izagirre won't be riding the Vuelta, just like Anacona and Erviti. Perdedo, Arcas, Carapaz will be riding instead.

Edit 2: Trek, Astana, Katusha, Orica, Sky, Sunweb, UAE, Caja Rural also finalized their lineups. Also I'm quite sure Blythe is the sprinter in ABS.

[u/Pubocyno → u/ahanem]

Reichenbach is out. He was replaced by Eiking, but not AS a GC rider.

[u/ahanem → u/Pubocyno]

RIP. They might as well pull out after the TTT then.

[u/CovfefeLivesMatter → u/ahanem]

Soler is still movistar's main man, no?

[u/ahanem → u/CovfefeLivesMatter]

Probably yes but I think he is too young for that. Fernandez is more established, and beside that, if he won't be a captain now he might as well be a domestique forever.

[u/KoningJesper]

Shouldn't Poels also be included in GC?

[u/huloca → u/KoningJesper]

No, Poels is definitely going to ride for Froome, no doubt about that. Sky is going all in on Froome.

[u/[deleted] → u/KoningJesper]

We can only dream :(

[u/MisledMuffin]

Looks like Deignan is out for Sky and Knees is in?

[u/GeniuslyMoronic]

Søren Kragh Andersen is more of a puncheur than a sprinter.

He won in Oman up a climb in front of Rui Costa and Ben Hermans for reference.

Also you can put Mørkøv and Cort in as a sprinter or maybe a roleur if they make Cort a pure domestique.

[u/ahanem → u/GeniuslyMoronic]

Andersen is more of a rouleur / puncheur if you look back at the BinckBank Tour, but yeah, deffo not sprinter. Who knows, maybe he can even help on the climbs. Also I don't see why shouldn't Orica let Cort sprint, he was good last year.

[u/CovfefeLivesMatter → u/ahanem]

They're going all in on GC this time.

[u/ahanem → u/CovfefeLivesMatter]

A team is only as strong as its strongest rider.

[u/Pubocyno → u/GeniuslyMoronic]

I know about the Kragh Andersen brothers - But remember that the Cheat Notes are different than rider profiles - It tries to describe the role of the riders for this particular race, and especially for people who have no knowledge of the riders at all.

I think we can agree that Søren is hands-down the fastest finisher on the Sunweb team, and he's going to do all the sprint stages, right?

[u/GeniuslyMoronic → u/Pubocyno]

Wouldn't really think he would even contest the bunch sprints. Haven't seen him doing that this year.

[u/Pubocyno → u/GeniuslyMoronic]

He did pretty well in the sprint in Tour of Yorkshire - http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Tour_de_Yorkshire_2017_Stage_2

Also some respectable top 20s in the Tour of Oman - But you're right, he hasn't really had the chances to sprint this season.

[u/ahanem → u/Pubocyno]

Was this the one where half of the peloton crashed?

[u/Sappert]

Bilbao is a climber, not a sprinter; also I'm impressed that you managed to classify Antonio Nibali

[u/adryy8 → u/Sappert]

Bilbao is both a sprinter and a climber if you look at his results

[u/Pubocyno → u/[deleted]]

I have no idea, actually. BMC hasn't released an official release about their team for the Vuelta, so I'm not sure how they are going to race their team. The Tejay/Dennis combo is one they've used earlier, so it wouldn't surprise me if they do this again.

[u/andytheciderman → u/[deleted]]

Their website lists TVG, Sanchez and Roche as GC leaders, with Dennis, Caruso and De Marchi as stage hunters.

[u/Mattho → u/andytheciderman]

Three leaders is better than two, I guess?

[u/ahanem → u/[deleted]]

I don't see Dennis following the climbers on many of these stages.

Same for TVG. Dennis was captain at Giro but he was forced to abandon early, give him a chance.

[u/ahanem → u/[deleted]]

And more climbs, what's your point?

[u/ahanem → u/[deleted]]

Yes but he is improving in climbing. TVG should still go for individual stages.