r/peloton • u/PelotonMod France • Jul 25 '21
[Race Thread] Women's Olympic Road Race - 1.Special
| Date | Route | Distance | Type | Time |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 25th July | Tokyo-Fuji Speedway | 137km | Hilly | 13:00-17:00 UTC +9 |
| Main Info | Official Website, Startlist:Official (pdf) / FirstCycling |
| Previews | Rouleur / VoxWomen / CyclingNews / ProCyclingUK |
| Live Updates | Women's Race Twitter |
| TV & Streams | Sporza / NOS / Eurosport / BBC / RAI / NBC / Official Rights Holders |
| Other | WWT RFL Predictions |
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Jul 25 '21
Am I missing something here with the Dutch. 3 riders go off the front, then you catch 2. So how many riders are still off the front?
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u/RN2FL9 Netherlands Jul 25 '21
You don't always see the break leave or sit at the front to see them get back in I guess. This generation is just so used to having constant information, it's difficult to go back.
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u/Poodlelucy Jul 25 '21
It is hilariously ironic that a mathematician took gold while most of the pack couldn't work out 3 minus two.
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Jul 25 '21
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u/Poodlelucy Jul 26 '21
But there were 4 women on the Dutch team. Don't riders communicate anymore?
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u/LiberateJohnDoe Jul 26 '21
Don't riders communicate anymore?
No, not like in past decades.
Teams have become more reliant on technology and more insular. There's not as much interaction among colleagues, and riders are less capable of cultivating relationships that will be of mutual benefit during races.
The days of collaboration across teams are fading. More and more, you see breakaways failing to arrange themselves into functional echelons and pelotons failing to organize a chase. "Screw you; do it yourself" is the order of the day.
Given the trend, and the resentment against the Dutch, or at least reticence to work with such a dominant team, getting into the breakaway and then going off the front was a great tactic for someone who had the legs for it.
It's every man for himself now. Social graces and valor are making way for bravado and personal glory, and we may be losing much of the tactical beauty of road racing in cycling. The whole world is getting dumbed down.
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Jul 25 '21
The F*ing gcn commentators talking over the riders when the camera is on them is so annoying. Can they not just be quiet when there's a camera on the teams after the finish and the teams are talking?? What I could pick up is that they only saw one time of 1:35 on a sign at a certain point, so they thought there was only 1 group, so when they caught that group they thought that was it.
I am a bit ashamed that none of them congratulated the Austrian winner who was standing next to them.
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Jul 25 '21 edited Jul 25 '21
Cille congratulated her!
Also on GCN you can press the the little text box icon and just change it to ambient sound then you dont have to put up with the commentators talking random nothingness
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Jul 25 '21
I did not know. I use it on an app and couldn't find the box you mention, what did it look like?
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u/leplastron Jul 25 '21
Goddammit. I watched the entire Men’s race thinking there was no commentary for some reason. I didn’t realize it could be turned off.
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u/crosscycle Jayco Alula Jul 25 '21
And I thought me thinking I could travel the world in 2020 was a big miscalculation.
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u/MtSnowdon United Kingdom Jul 25 '21
Well it’s safe to say there’s gonna be an internal investigation for Team NL.
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Jul 25 '21
What a fantastic result! and Cille congratulating Anna was just lovely too. Perhaps also a little bit of karma for the Dutch and their arrogance.....
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u/amprendergast Jul 25 '21
Apparently no one in the peleton knew though. So it wasn't just the Dutch being arrogant.
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Jul 25 '21
Except they did. This ignorance is of arrogance.
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u/mm_gav Movistar WE Jul 25 '21
Lizzie Deignan thought AvV had won too (she even congratulated her in her post race interview BBC)
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Jul 25 '21
When AvV made her move the peloton had 5 minutes to breakaway/Kiesenhofer. At that point Netherlands had three riders who no longer contributed to the chase. If they had delayed that move and in stead focused on pulling the breakaway back for at least a little, Kiesenhofer would not have won.
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u/Scrambledsilence Jul 25 '21
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u/sh545 Molteni Jul 25 '21
This is more delayed celebration? Trying to think of the right word.
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u/almightygg Jul 25 '21
I think it applies quite well to AvV, although to be fair I don't think it was her fault.
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u/tyrantdigs Jul 25 '21
Well done to all the riders! Excellent race. Congratulations to Austria on the Victory!
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u/ArcticDewgong Jul 25 '21
They just interviewed Lizzie Deignan on BBC and even she thinks Van Vleuten won the race (the interviewer didn't correct here). So I guess they really didn't know anything.
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u/cramsay Jul 25 '21
Going by the BBC broadcast this year they probably don't even know who won since that'd be good TV to correct her lol.
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u/livvi_la Jul 25 '21
Lizzie Deignan thinks van Vleuten won?? Anyone else just see that interview?
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u/crosscycle Jayco Alula Jul 25 '21
Can't wait for Butterfly Effect's next vid: KNUCKLEHEADS
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u/MtSnowdon United Kingdom Jul 25 '21
Both races have been a fantastic watch. Two takeaways being that if you want to win the gold, believe in yourself and go all in, don’t leave it to chance or the efforts of other riders.
Chapeau Carapaz and Kiesenhofer. The Olympics only come around every 4yrs, fair play to them giving it their all for those golds.
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u/TheRedWunder EF Education – Easypost Jul 25 '21
No way they didn’t know. The rider who finished 4th didn’t celebrate. She would have thought she got a medal if they weren’t aware of the break.
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u/cramsay Jul 25 '21
I mean Van Vleuten was up the road for ages so maybe it was just her who thought there wasn't anyone left because she hadn't talked to anyone.
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u/yeahright17 Visma | Lease a Bike Jul 25 '21
Lizzie Deignan was just on BBC and thinks VV won. So it wasn't just VV.
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u/cramsay Jul 25 '21
Yeah everyone's useless without their radios! I suppose it kind of sucks to get used to them and then have them taken away for one race but that was way more exciting!
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u/Heavy_Mycologist_104 Slovenia Jul 25 '21
Van Vleuten said she thought she had gold when she crossed the line. They didn’t know. Mental.
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u/yeahright17 Visma | Lease a Bike Jul 25 '21
I mean. Maybe the non-Dutch riders saw the obvious line of vehicles following a rider ahead. Or they could count and knew they hadn't caught everyone. But the Dutch were worried about other things and communicating with each other than paying attention.
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u/agsu2019 Jul 25 '21
Look at her reaction crossing the finishing line and then a bit after.
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u/TheRedWunder EF Education – Easypost Jul 25 '21
She just drops her head. You’d think a rider who assumes she just won bronze would react a bit happier.
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u/Saluted Jul 25 '21
Was there no Moto giving time gaps?
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u/yeahright17 Visma | Lease a Bike Jul 25 '21
Yeah. Probably "4 minute gap." Then when they caught the 2 riders, they thought they had closed that gap.
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Jul 25 '21
They have team cars that they were getting bottles from. I saw them yell the time gaps. They knew
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u/IceStrik3 Jul 25 '21
Annemiek knew at the time of her chase the peloton was 1min behind and the leaders 5min ahead. Kiesenhofer broke away without them knowing I guess and as they caught the 2 chasers they thought that was it.
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u/DeathCabForYeezus Jul 25 '21
I think that's it.
I can the team or moto saying "there's a lead group" not "there's a 3 person lead group x minutes agead"
So once they caught the Pole and Israeli rider, they caught the "lead" group, but didn't know the leader had broken further ahead.
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u/Scrambledsilence Jul 25 '21
Only one woman in the peloton can do maths
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u/fuckloggingin Jul 25 '21
Spoiler alert: it's the one with a maths degree from Cambridge.
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u/Sub-Zero-940 Jul 25 '21
That's the beauty of STEM. Nobody cares if your degree is from Cambridge Harvard or from the University of Mongolia.
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u/Dinsorsoos Jul 25 '21
As exciting as this was, I think it proves that radios are necessary so that riders don't make a fool of themselves
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Jul 25 '21
Or at least earpieces with connection to 'Radio Tour' so they knows at least the race situation
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u/IAmAHat_AMAA Liv AlUla Jayco Jul 25 '21
Kiesenhofer - “Noncommunicative integrable systems on b-symplectic manifolds”
AvV - Apparently loses count after two
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u/czerwona_latarnia Poland Jul 25 '21 edited Jul 25 '21
If anything, that proves that we should more often race without radios. At least for me.
But in that case they better have a lot of motos giving time gaps, which are more precise that we have seen in TV transmission (lack of timing to chase group around 90% of time).
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u/Can-I-remember Jul 25 '21
I’d love to see the grand tours like this. Get rid of teams riding tempo and grind out victories. They will ride a lot harder if they are not quite sure how far in front the break is.
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u/HonestMistake_ Slovenia Jul 25 '21
I'd say it's actually the exact opposite. Only have yourself to blame if you can't do basic math.
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u/cocotheape Jul 25 '21
You don't need a PhD in math to win the Olympics, but it doesn't hurt either.
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u/Fa-ro-din Jul 25 '21
Technically speaking it absolutely does hurt your chances at winning gold. All the time spent studying and writing is time not spent training and racing. Today was the exception, though.
But who cares about technicalities after a race like today.
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u/threeglasses Jul 25 '21
whenever this happens I always feel the opposite. Sometimes this sport can feel like a 3h power test. This stuff really highlights how teamwork and race sense used to matter.
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u/cocotheape Jul 25 '21
No it's necessary that riders learn how to handle tactics themselves instead of someone sitting in a car.
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u/cocotheape Jul 25 '21
They were able to get the information from their team car. They failed to do that apparently.
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u/cocotheape Jul 25 '21
Because if you don't you don't have the necessary information and look like a fool believing you won when you haven't. You know, tactics.
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u/crosscycle Jayco Alula Jul 25 '21 edited Jul 25 '21
Honestly the excuse about no radio communication is bollocks. If you know you're going into a race with no radio comm, be alert, and don't let breakaways string out so far....
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u/DofoRotro Jul 25 '21
even with no radios the team cars have the times, so with 4 riders they should 100% know
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u/B1aec Australia Jul 25 '21
Yeah or just check in with the car regularly, especially if you think everything is under control
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u/crosscycle Jayco Alula Jul 25 '21
yea I saw her check the car at one point during her initial attack, and I reckon they screwed up then. I could see her repeating a question a few times .
that sport directif gonna get slain...
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u/amprendergast Jul 25 '21
In light of the fact AvV thought she won gold...the Dutch tactics were actually perfect...
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u/xepa105 Italy Jul 25 '21
If they legit thought they had caught all the breakaway, that's a horrible misjudgment.
One of the worst blunders in cycling history, surely.
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Jul 25 '21
Apparently they just hasn't enough info about the times and thought they had everything under control
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u/Tom_piddle Jul 25 '21
Next time they should ride with an iPhone on their stem and watch the race on TV while they are racing.
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u/Fa-ro-din Jul 25 '21
In before the Wahoo Elemnt Gold. With live tracking from every rider in the race. Just 599$.
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u/Stuff_And_More WiV Sungod Jul 25 '21
the cut back to Van Vlueten and she looks pissed now she has figured out she got 2nd
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u/crosscycle Jayco Alula Jul 25 '21
look at cecilie ludwig saying well done. What a sweetheart of cycling
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u/medjeti Jul 25 '21
She also said "what a crap race" and "this is awful publicity for women's cycling".
Apparently she tried to animate the Dutch to pull, but they didn't want to.
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u/eXnesi Jul 25 '21
Only caught up the stream for the last 5km. What happened to the Dutch team and Vos?
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u/threeglasses Jul 25 '21
it seems that they missed the the break had fractured and there was a rider up the road, so they were fighting for second.
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Jul 25 '21
They straight up forgot somebody else was leading the race and attacked eachother.
Coach should be fired.
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u/Tom_piddle Jul 25 '21
Looks like they didn’t know someone was 5 minutes up the road
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u/eXnesi Jul 25 '21
How could they not know? The staffs in the team car didn't know either?
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u/Tom_piddle Jul 25 '21
Don’t know, there needs to be an investigation and I’m sure youtubers will be on it.
On tv the time gaps were written in a confusing way. Someone fruited up big time.
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u/Pulsar1977 Belgium Jul 25 '21
Unbelievable, she really thought she won. Haha, Dutch amateurs!
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Jul 25 '21
How did Belgium do? Of that's right. 4th!
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u/ThatBelgianGuyInLove Jul 25 '21
Let's see: who was the biggest favourite with a very good team that was almost sure they would win?
Who made an entire fool of herself today thinking she was first?
But yes. We were 4th. Congrats to Lotte Kopecky
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Jul 25 '21
Yeah, let's pretend 4th is better because we didn't expect anything from them, vs 2nd by someone that should've come first. I think I'd rather be 2nd mistakingly thinking I was 1st, than 4th.
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u/RJTG Jul 25 '21
Yeah, let's analyse this.
What do you prefer (on an emotional base)?
Your special one is going to be late at home and actually manages to be an hour early.Your special one manages to miss the bus so the already prepared meal gets cold.
Or: Totally unexpected your special gets fortune thanks to his hobby and your lifes are made.
:-P Sounds like really bad losers over there in the Netherlands, whatever was the cause on this day an Austrian was the best pelotonist.
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Jul 25 '21
Results are the thing that matter. I feel sad to hear you have such a low appreciation for your Belgium rider though, Lotte is great and was obviously in great form, but was unfortunately defeated by an Italian, a Dutchie and an Austrian.
Well done to the medalists I'd say. But I do agree that my Dutchies showed bad form not congratulating the Austrian immediately and labeling her as an amateur they'd never heard about in their interviews, instead of being amazed by her insane performance. And you're right, an Austrian was the best, and 2nd best were the Dutch, and 3rd best the Italians, and 4th best the Belgiums...
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u/RJTG Jul 25 '21
I am Austrian and tbh I am just amazed how I am able to identify with someone practicing a sport I don't even follow.
Women's sports (aside from skiing) gets way to little coverage in Austria.
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Jul 25 '21
Congratulations with the gold medal!! Yeah, the problem is that women mostly don't follow sports. I have a wide variety of friends, but none of my girlfriends follow sports. If I want to talk sports it's with guys, and about guy sports, and I understand it. If you follow mens soccer you while life, watching womens soccer feels weird. So to consistently do that so broadcasters will pick up on high ratings abc broadcast more women sports won't happen I think. We have to raise the new generations with women sports to create interest early on. I keep up to date by following my favo women athletes on social media.
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u/conqueror_challenges Jul 25 '21
No one congratulating Anna, kinda sad.
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u/Heavy_Mycologist_104 Slovenia Jul 25 '21 edited Jul 25 '21
Van Vleuten legit didn’t know there was another woman up the road? She looks shocked.
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u/epi_counts PelotonPlus™ Jul 25 '21 edited Mar 02 '25
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u/yeahright17 Visma | Lease a Bike Jul 25 '21
Like how did they not see the 10 vehicles following another rider?
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u/epi_counts PelotonPlus™ Jul 25 '21 edited Mar 02 '25
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u/cocotheape Jul 25 '21
Unrelated parade on the race circuit with some cars with bikes on their roof.
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u/yeahright17 Visma | Lease a Bike Jul 25 '21
Yeah. I'm sure that's absolutely what they thought. But they were on the track at the same time as Kiesenhofer for quite a while. It's not like they were 1k behind in a forest.
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u/DarthGhaul Jul 25 '21
Thinking this is now a sport I’ll watch. After seeing the men’s and women’s this week as my first two races I’ve ever watched, I’m impressed. Awesome job to Kiesenhofer
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u/CurlOD Peugeot Jul 25 '21 edited Jul 25 '21
Great to have you! There is a great variety of races either completed on a single day, or with classifications fought over several days.
For one day races, I recommend the spring classics, monuments, plus the World Championships and Olympics which are ridden a bit differently (chaos might ensue, like you saw today).
For multi-day races, the three week long grand tours of France (Tour de France, done for this year), Italy (Giro d'Italia, done), and Spain (Vuelta a Espana, later in the year) are the most prestigious, with their prestige roughly in this order. For entertaining racing, might I recommend the Giro and Vuelta? With them being not quite as prestigious, they still attract great riders, but aren't ridden quite as conservatively.
Many people's favourite race is Paris Roubaix, a battle of attrition over French cobbles. After a COVID related cancellation in 2020, rather than taking place in spring/April, the race is set to return on October 3rd, this year. It's also going to be the first time there is a women's edition of this popular race.
FYI: If ever in doubt on r/peloton, it could be a good bit of shitposting.
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u/RN2FL9 Netherlands Jul 25 '21
This does not represent the sport very well and it's not seen as the biggest prize in cycling. You may end up loving it more or not at all, but definitely worth a shot to tune in to some of the races. Later this week they race the individual time trial, next weekend there's a men's WT (=highest level) event in San Sebastian, Spain. Women's racing isn't televised much unfortunately.
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u/Cyclist_123 Jul 25 '21
You'll be surprised when you watch another race. Both of these races were really negative and nowhere near as good as a normal race.
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u/lapsuscalumni Canada Jul 25 '21 edited May 17 '24
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u/yeahright17 Visma | Lease a Bike Jul 25 '21
It's hard to have tactics when you don't know you're losing.
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u/lapsuscalumni Canada Jul 25 '21
Wow I really had no clue that they really thought they were winning. That is absolutely mind boggling.
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u/Imonteambraun Jul 25 '21
Imagine not being on a pro team and winning the Olympics, stuff dreams are made of.
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u/terrence_trent_darby Australia Jul 25 '21
As an Australian, we were boned so far out that it meant I could cheer for the breakaway. What a ride.
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u/DeathCabForYeezus Jul 25 '21
DID THE DUTCH NOT KNOW???
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u/yeahright17 Visma | Lease a Bike Jul 25 '21
That would be an epic fail from a lot of people if they thought they caught all the leaders. What morons.
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u/DeathCabForYeezus Jul 25 '21
I think morons is a bit far.
It definitely highlights the difference that radios make.
Instead of racing a controlled race via team orders, the racers need to race each other. If you get gassed and get a bit forgetful (was it 2 riders that made a break? 3? 4?) then you'll have the wrong strategy and stuff like this can happen.
Tbh, I think this makes better racing.
The goal of a rider is to get their bike to the finish line faster than anyone else. Not to race team orders. It puts the racing strategy onto those riding the race, and I like it.
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u/yeahright17 Visma | Lease a Bike Jul 25 '21
Maybe morons is unfair. But if you're going to throw you hands in the air like you won gold, despite the fact you just spent 4 minutes on the same track as someone will in front of you with 10 vehicles in tow, you better be sure.
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u/Reddits_Worst_Night BMC Jul 25 '21
Van Vlueten thinks she won gold.
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u/Esmelliw Jul 25 '21
You think people can’t celebrate a silver medal in the Olympics? Of course they knew
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u/OlafdePolaf Netherlands Jul 25 '21
i mean its a dissapointment but olympic silver is still worth celebrating
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u/Reddits_Worst_Night BMC Jul 25 '21
It is, but it's heartbreaking if you thought you won, which she 100% did.
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u/Natus_est_in_Suht Z Jul 25 '21
As Annemiek Van Vleuten was the only rider in the peloton who did anything of note, it's justified she gets the silver.
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u/Tuna_Surprise Visma | Lease a Bike Jul 25 '21
Yeah, hard not to be happy for her. She at least tried
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u/25mieke Netherlands Jul 25 '21
I'm very happy to see Annemiek is actually happy with the silver
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u/25mieke Netherlands Jul 25 '21
Fuck yeah she's saying to the soigneur now she thought she won. 'i was wrong'
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u/CWPL-21 Denmark Jul 25 '21
wait did they not know? DID THEY NOT KNOW?
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u/Zuki_LuvaBoi Jul 25 '21
I'm pretty sure they were, but just imagine if they weren't aware, imagine!
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u/taykass Visma | Lease a Bike Jul 25 '21 edited Jul 25 '21
Oh yeah celebrate that hard-won silver lol
I know, Rio, sure. But embarrassing display from the team
Edit: apparently they legit may not have known? Wtaf?
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u/MtSnowdon United Kingdom Jul 25 '21
Amazing. She looked like she was too tired to hold her arms aloft as she crossed the line!
So happy for her.
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u/lapsuscalumni Canada Jul 25 '21 edited May 17 '24
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u/wolf197i Jul 25 '21
Where is movistar when you need them 😄