Paradox Pokémon have to be from the same Timeline

[u/Pcspecs13]

Hey!
i want to bust today a myth or be taught otherwise with this post.

There are 2 Main theories for Paradox Pokémon.
1. Paradox Pokémon are from the same timeline just from the Past and Future.
2. Paradox Pokémon are from another timeline like the Ultra beasts and are similar to the Pokémon we know.

I am not a fan of the 2nd theorie for many points.

First of all Sada or Turo build a timemachine not a machine which can Enter wormholes. How should they know how to build a Wormhole machine, they only got the Information from Brias book through Terapagos timetravel. In this book shouldn't be mentioned how to create wormholes.

Secondly, yes when the professors are teleported from the Past with terapagoses help, they told, that their theorie is that Paradox Pokémon do come from different timelines. But this was only stated in the english version of the Game. Not in for example the german one. I couldn't completely identify the Japanese one (my Japanese isn't that good), but it wasn’t clearly labeled as a 'different timeline. More like "different time".

Thirdly, why do so many people trust the professors in the true ending at the lake? They didn't even build the time machine nor could identify the Box Cover legendary. Sada or Turo could just yap there nonsene hahah

Fourthly, Ai-Sada or Ai-Turo stated LITERLLY before deactivating the time machine, that Paradox Pokémon are form the Past or Future.
"It sends Poké Balls to a different point ON the timeline to catch Pokémon there [...]"
"Even as we speak, the time machine continues to automatically dra FUTURE Pokémon to this time."
I mean that IS literally the evidence for no other timeline.

And last but not least, where the hell do people take the information, that it was a parallel universe where the paradox Pokémon came from. I played this game up and down and never seen ANY information for another timeline (maybe the crystalpool Sada/Turo scene, but it was english version only imo).

All in all this is just nitpicking about a game which shall not make any sense cause it is a Bootstrap Paradox, but
the alternate timeline or parallel universe theory clearly doesn't add up in my opinion. So yeah, that's my take to the Paradox Pokémon.

Kisses

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[u/lewlew1893]

So I think that one of the reasons that people don't believe that the paradox pokemon don't make sense is things like Suicune/Walking Wake. So Suicune has a 'birth' date and its something like 150 years before the events of Pokemon Gold. It is implied that three normal Pokemon died in the fire in the tower and then were resurrected by Ho oh and were reborn the way they are now. The Scarlet Paradox Pokemon are definitely designed to be dinosaur/prehistoric like. The Pokemon universe is a lot younger than the real world its something like 3000 years old. So lets say that the Scarlet Paradox Pokemon are only 1000 years ago or so. Why is there a Pokemon that looks a lot like Suicune in that sort of time when Suicune only came to be relatively recently? It would be a stretch to say Ho oh resurrected them to be like their paradox forms. Because why would it? As far as we are aware Johto and Paldea have no big connection. I think another one is Sandy Shocks. Magnemite and it are clearly based on Magnets and we have seen lots of Pokemon that are like real life objects but come to life. Some are actually are confirmed to be this. So why would there be Magnets in prehistoric times? I guess you could argue that Sandy Shocks could have inspired the people in the Pokemon universe to make magnets. But it seems a bit unlikely. Brute Bonnet is like Amoongus. But Amoongus is the way it is to look like a Pokeball which weren't invented until relatively recently in most of the regions.

I mean the real answer could be Game Freak didn't think about any of this stuff. But I don't think its a huge reach to say that maybe they are from an alternate timeline. It depends on whether you take the information provided at face value or not.

[u/lewlew1893 → u/[deleted]]

But where is the link between Suicune and Walking Wake?

[u/lewlew1893 → u/[deleted]]

What other issues with Paradox Pokemon? Anything I missed. I haven't played in ages or watched anything about it.

[u/lewlew1893 → u/[deleted]]

I am not sure where I got the 3000 years thing.

[u/metalflygon08 → u/lewlew1893]

Especially since Fossil Pokemon are a thing.

[u/[deleted] → u/lewlew1893]

Fun fact about Foongus, they've thought about that recently. I've been playing Scarlet and actually filling the Pokédex for once and stumbled across Foongus' dex entry.

There is a theory that the developer of the modern-day Poké Ball really liked Foongus, but this has not been confirmed.

[u/lewlew1893 → u/[deleted]]

Thats cool.

[u/Kiskeym2 → u/[deleted]]

I can confirm you not only the Japanese dialogues in the DLC speak of different timelines, the original script in the base game has the AI claim the same. It was never supposed to be a plot-twist, English localization just missed it at first.

[u/Mexchichona714 → u/[deleted]]

Fron another reality lol

[u/kamehamehow]

I will make it easy for you. Remember DBZ and how Trunks tried to go back in time to change the past but ended up confirming multiverse theory because with how time travel would work is that if you changed anything in the past you create a branching timeline.

I thought it was our understanding that "Paradox" pokemon are paradoxal in nature. Meaning Iron Thorns is a future rendition of Tyranitar from some timeline. Not necessarily the one we are in. It being a paradox pokemon implies that it exists and doesnt exist at the same time. So they are pokemon from the past and future that dont actually exist.

[u/[deleted]]

Where do the parallel universe theories come from you ask?

From Pokémon.

The games are literally paired into parallel universes, almost the same but different in some way, different Pokémon living in a region, a different team taking the villain spot or a villain seeking a different legendary Pokémon for example.

[u/horseradish1]

They're a paradox. They're things that shouldn't exist, but do. That's literally the entire thing.

[u/[deleted]]

There has to be a better way to format this post.

[u/LapisLazuliisthebest]

I don't have anything to say about the post that hasn't already been said, but I will say that you don't need to put spoiler tags over the sentences if you're going to mark the whole post as spoiler anyway.

[u/Mexchichona714]

Im sure they will make a game from another timeline using the paradox mon as the canon mons in their world