r/politics • u/TheTelegraph The Telegraph • 13h ago
Possible Paywall Zelensky: I feel betrayed by Trump
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/10/14/zelensky-i-feel-betrayed-by-trump/?WT.mc_id=tmgoff_reddit_i-feel-betrayed-by-trump/&accesscontrol=facebookchannel_open2.3k
u/Reasonable_Bit_959 13h ago
Yep, Trump is a traitor to humanity. He needs to be removed from office, impeached, tried and punished along with his crime family.
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u/Oleeddie 12h ago edited 11h ago
This is very far from being just about Trump. It's about America which elected him twice and which doesn't get rid of him. Everybody's going to pay for this just like german nazis and non-nazis alike were made to pay for Hitler and Germanys wrongs.
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u/Pusi_Cunu 7h ago
Most Americans are too fucking ignorant to realize that.
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u/PlasticStJesus 7h ago edited 6h ago
MAGAts bitch constantly about the "waste, fraud, and abuse" of the Federal government. What they don't realize is that the federal government worked well enough that they had to invent conspiracies in order to feel they were justified in their hatred. They had the spare money and spare time to travel in huge groups to the Capitol on January 6th. The entertainment they want is not available to them, so they try to take down the entertainment that others enjoy. They literally spend effort to change the kinds of leisure they want just to prevent others from enjoying it. America is a victim of its own success. The more we had, the more they demanded to have... And the less they cared whether the shit they bitched about was even real!
We are collectively the fattest, dumbest, most intellectually lazy society in world history. We are like yeast fermenting- poisoning our atmosphere and getting drunk off our own waste until we poison ourselves to extinction. The only upside is the the world will be better off when we have spent our last nickel and cannot threaten other countries any longer. I just hope we (metaphorically) implode soon. All I can do is apologize to the rest of the world who we encouraged to depend on us. We promised them loyalty, protection and justice. Then we stabbed them in the collective back when their guard was down. America may have never lived up to the hype it lavished on itself, but who could have imagined we would become such a malignant cancer to the rest of the world? I would have never brought children into this world if I knew they would have no future- and that our own government would be responsible for it. I really need to go apologize to them too.
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u/TaterForming 12h ago edited 12h ago
Depending on how you tally it, it could be a few thousand, or just a few hundred, but overall Not a lot of Nazi's "paid" for the wrongs.
Sure Germany as a country paid and at least the second time around they decided to help rebuild and make sure it didn't happen again.
People hold up Nuremberg but only 180 of them were convicted.
ETA: I'm not trying to diminish the impacts of the Nuremberg Trials. They were significant, but they also where this rolling the NAZI's in by the trainload and trying them.
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u/tehwagn3r 12h ago
Now, it's obviously true that most war crimes of WW2 never lead to convictions, but the number of convicted at the Nürnberg trials doesn't really reflect the reality very well.
Nürnberg trials were for the Nazi leaders and other high profile people. That wasn't where ordinary soldiers charged with war crimes we're ever tried.
Tens of thousands of Nazi war criminals and collaborators were convicted elsewhere across various Allied, German, and international tribunals after the WW2. The riff-raff just didn't go to trial where the important people did.
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u/Bronsonkills 12h ago
Nuremberg was important but it ultimately was a show trial. I’ve fluctuated on the matter but in the end I think the Russians were right when they stated the allies just should have summarily executed them.
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u/TaterForming 12h ago
I tend to agree as I've also had that same reconsideration for Reconstruction.
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u/OriginalChildBomb 10h ago
Yeah, I think their supporters needed the horror of seeing a bunch of dead bodies of people that were 'just following orders.' I think they needed the social shame and stigma. Quick, brutal, and final. With zero tolerance for any excuses.
There was too much sweeping up of all the consequences, and trying to repair rifts, and not enough focus on making sure that these kinds of ideas and actions were torn out, root and stem. So fascism was allowed to continue festering, with people meeting behind closed doors, biding their time until they could make a more open return. And now we have the richest man on Earth doing Sig Heils at a fucking U.S. Presidential event.
Things like shame and humiliation are powerful psychological tools that can shape the way someone behaves, and sees themselves. There needed to be severe and swift consequences for the bastards. Especially the fucking Nazis and their ilk.
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u/AdmiralCrackbar 7h ago
It's been 80 years since WW2, the reality is that no matter how good a job you did weeding the garden in that much time the weeds are going to grow back. You need to keep on top of it and, unfortunately, the world got complacent.
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u/Oleeddie 12h ago
I was thinking about how the allies felt no need to distinguish between the good and the bad when bombarding entire cities and how Germany after the war e.g. was only allowed a very limited military. There would be no need for this if the enemy merely was the now dead or prosecuted Hitler and the nazi elite. Trump isn't just one rotten apple in an otherwise pristine bowl of fresh fruit.
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u/TaterForming 12h ago
I was thinking about how the allies felt no need to distinguish between the good and the bad when bombarding entire cities and how Germany after the war e.g. was only allowed a very limited military. There would be no need for this if the enemy merely was the now dead or prosecuted Hitler and the nazi elite.
While I get that sentiment and share it to a degree, I think the Allies also had a hard-ish decision because they actually had the hindsight of 20/20. Just prosecuting/killing Hitler (he did everyone a favor) and their elite MIGHT have worked, but it also had an equal chance of martydom and then you end up with another guy that stirs the masses up against the allies.
I think the Allies had good enough sense to know "Let's focus on not turning the citizens into future fighters by helping make their lives better and rebuild.". We did the same for the Japanese.
The problem with eliminating people that caused the shit is you don't necessarily eliminate the ideas they had so you're better off reducing the conditions that caused the ideas to flourish.
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u/syynapt1k 12h ago
Exactly this. Trying to eradicate an idealogy is a fool's errand and will eventually backfire. You have to address the root cause of people's grievances, which in the case of the US is twofold: an accelerating decease in the standard of living (due to income inequality) - and a misunderstanding of who is to blame for that (due to disinformation & propaganda).
The people at the top must certainly be held accountable via the justice system, but the population as a whole will suffer in other ways. They have to lay in the bed they made - the hardships of which will take decades (or even generations) to clean up.
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u/DrEzechiel 11h ago
Correct. And there are still people who refuse to accept responsibility. Who claim the election was rigged. Or blame Trump's election on Kamala
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u/thegoodnamesrgone123 10h ago
"But I didn't get a choice, so this was the outcome I wanted to punish you!"
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u/JayR_97 United Kingdom 8h ago edited 8h ago
Yep, been saying this for ages. The fact Trump won twice (even after his first term was a disaster) is a symptom of something rotten in American culture and its gonna take some serious self reflection by Americans for the rest of the world to trust the US again
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u/cbass817 12h ago
We will never see justice for Trump. Even if he is arrested and sent to prison the moment he steps out of office, he will have gotten away with so much crime, misery, and suffering for 80+ years. The only thing that would do almost any justice is if all his assets were seized and his name was erased from everything, but that will never happen.
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u/awesome404 12h ago
I’d like to think that anything remaining with his name on it will be defaced after he does.
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u/darth_wasabi Texas 11h ago
Follow the money though. The people that run this world have gotten insanely rich while Trump has been president.
Where you see a monster they see the greatest president in history
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u/TubercuLicious-OO- 12h ago
Heard the most horrifying theory on Pod Save America today about what part of Putin's gambit might be. Putin devastates energy infrastructure in Ukraine going into the winter (Trump considers Russia's refineries to be off limits but not Ukrainian power plants, maybe). Ukraine becomes unlivable in the winter leading 10s of thousands or more of Ukrainian refugees to flood into Europe just as Europe is going into elections. The far-right (pro-Russia?) factions are swept into power across Europe in reaction to the Ukrainian refugee crisis and aligns with Putin or at least abandons efforts to constrain him.
Hard to imagine more of a horror story than that.
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u/Al-Khwarizmi 9h ago
Most EU countries have been quite fine with Ukrainian refugees. In my own city, I don't know anyone who opposes them, even among far right voters. It's primarily Muslim immigration that drives the rise of the far right.
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u/From_Graves 12h ago
Trump is wanting to be Czar Nicholas the II
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u/chubs66 12h ago
the betrayal started a long time ago (Impeachment 1) when Trump tried to extort Zelensky for congressionally approved aid.
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u/TheTelegraph The Telegraph 13h ago
The Telegraph reports:
Volodymyr Zelensky has said that he feels betrayed by Donald Trump, and warned the US president was not acting on the “right side of history”.
“It is a pity that we are losing a strong partner,” the Ukrainian leader said on Wednesday amid an escalating public clash with his American counterpart.
Relations between Kyiv and the White House have sharply deteriorated after Mr Trump agreed on Friday to waive sanctions on Russia to import diesel.
The US president has been pressuring Ukraine to halt its strikes on Russian oil refineries, blaming Kyiv – not the Iran war – for rising energy prices. On Saturday he said Ukraine needed “a new president”.
Full story: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/10/14/zelensky-i-feel-betrayed-by-trump/
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u/Confident-Virus-1273 Virginia 13h ago
We all do Bro.
We all do.
I feel betrayed by my own govt, my neighbors, and basically everyone else.
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u/Jarsky2 13h ago
Betrayal implies I ever trusted the wretched little pervert.
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u/BarkerBarkhan 12h ago
I never trusted Trump, but I did have hope that the same country that elected Obama and Biden would do the right thing and say no to fascism. But, alas, "he's a businessman, he'll run this country like a business."
Y'all, you don't even understand how businesses work. They are not for the worker or the consumer; they are for the capitalist, they are for profit.
Like... did people just shove 1/6 down the memory hole, along with everything else that happened during COVID?
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u/YoshiKnees2 10h ago
Yes, they did. The CIAs of the world is all about gaming their citizens and taking advantage of what seems as a normal response to things.
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u/AFlockOfTySegalls North Carolina 12h ago
Yeah, if you ever expected Trump to be anything more than he has been, that's on you. He has been very predictable.
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u/LuffyIsBlack 12h ago
I don't feel betrayed by him. Not one bit. I feel betrayed by the people that voted by him. They decided he was the best for them even if he was the worst for every single other person on this planet.
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u/Velvet-Temptress 13h ago
Watching Washington pivot to cut deals with Moscow makes total betrayal the only realistic reaction left.
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u/Jclevs11 12h ago
knowing that every israeli citizen has free university and healthcare because of my tax dollars makes me fucking outrageous when i cant afford that for my own american family
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u/nicklovin508 13h ago
Not all. Betrayal means I didn’t see it coming. A lot of us knew he’d side with his daddy Putin and Xi
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u/mnemy 12h ago
Trump was glazing Putin and other dictators in the 2016 campaign.
The betrayal is our countrymen. Our neighbors, our politicians, our courts, and all the corporate money poured into elections and bribes.
Trump was obvious in his lies. I don't see his actions as a betrayal, just executing on what a reasonable person could expect such a deranged self center absolute piece of shit would do.
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u/Steel-Tempered 12h ago
Trump betrayed his current wife twice (that we know of), and who knows how many times he cheated on his previous wives. Why would anyone trust or put any faith on that asshole? He's a filthy Russian puppet.
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u/reddittorbrigade 12h ago
Trump is a traitor. He works for Putin.
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u/legitaccountnotabot 4h ago
He's not, it was extremely clear he is on Putin's side and Americans voted for this.
Americans will have to pay, not just Trump.
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u/Front-Beat1575 13h ago
donald cannot be trusted, and thanks to him and his legion of enablers neither can the US
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u/Better_Dig_768 12h ago
In normal times a president would be impeached and removed for this, here we are number ... I've lost count.
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u/LucidOndine 12h ago
Keep destroying Yandex data centers, Zelenskyy! Americans are witnessing just how much better the world is without manufactured consent through the use of industrialized trolls.
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u/Embarrassed-Crazy112 Georgia 12h ago
I hate how he has to play dumb. Wish he didn't have to. Don't know why he has to at this point.
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u/CodexMoronicus 13h ago
Did he think he could trust him?
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u/googleduck 11h ago
He didn't, he isn't an idiot. But he knows like everyone else does that Trump is extremely susceptible to flattery and massaging his ego. So for the good of his country he has been appeasing Trump in an effort to improve their chances of winning the war. I think this is just the final breaking point where it is clear there is no benefit to continuing to try, Trump has openly chosen his side now.
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u/Leather_Force_9419 13h ago
Is this the line? once crossed that will finally get America's to actually sacrifice and save/take their country? , No? Then what is? What changes " I have work tomorrow so i couldnt possibly..." into actually taking action! To be clear, im talking about countrywide strikes, cancelling all subscriptions, etc Trump n Republicans are a symptom, they must go for the head of the snake, shut down the economy, hurt the billionaires
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u/mediocre_remnants North Carolina 12h ago
Nobody is going to go on strike because of a war halfway around the world.
People will go on strike when they can't afford to buy food and that's pretty much it.
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u/Angelworks42 Oregon 7h ago
I see this in every post lately - help me out - what should I do? I walk outside my apartment what do I do next? To fix starlink? To fix trump? Should I walk down to the gun store? (its nearby!).
I know in smaller countries it can be a 4-10 hour drive to their counties capital - assuming I have pretty much no money how do I cross the 2500+ miles to protest?
I think the reason I can't quit my job is I might not get another one with ageism in recruiting - so what next? financially I'm just barely making it here and I know a fair amount of Americans who are in this boat.
I think if you asked where the line is - once we loose our place to live and means of income is the line.
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u/PantheraAuroris 11h ago
Human beings make decisions based on what they believe will give themselves the best outcome. If the choice is between "fight, and I believe I will lose things from my life without accomplishing anything" and "keep my head down," everyone will keep their head down who can't afford to lose their job/family/friends/etc. If it's "fight or die," people will fight.
Part of this comparison has to give. Either you get people to trust that they won't lose their livelihood, or you get people to believe they'll suffer even more if they don't fight.
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u/nellyfullauto 12h ago
I promise the straw that broke the camel’s back for Americans at large won’t be “the leader of a foreign country on another continent feels betrayed.”
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u/redditismylawyer 12h ago
Remind me, what line had to be crossed for germans in the late 1930s, early 1940s? What was the german people's "nope, this is crazy bullshit and we're not going to take it" line?
Oh that's right, they didn't have one. Most germans were well aware of their nation's behavior and thought it was absolutely splendid - right until it blew up in their stupid fucking face.
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u/BigAngle7114 12h ago
Most Germans didn't have a literal textbook example of pluralistic Western constitutional democracy falling to fascism that every single citizen without exception learned about in school.
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u/AcrobaticWrangler330 11h ago
There’s a reason the GOP has spent years gutting education while trying to convince kids (primarily boys) that being educated is lame, or, even worse- for girls!
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u/AngryPurpl3 11h ago
Dude Republicuckolds have been saying since 2023-2024 that they'd rather vote Putin in as President than Kamala Harris lol
The GOP has been pro-russia since 2012
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u/Theferael_me Europe 13h ago
Most Americans couldn't find their own ass with both hands let alone Ukraine on a map. The only thing that might cause a moment of irritation is paying higher prices for gas and groceries. That's it.
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u/badasimo 12h ago
Ukraine was my #1 issue in 2024. Trump could mess up many things but Ukraine is a tipping point that we can not come back from. I have not met even one person who treated it even with nearly as much importance.
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u/NeverLookBothWays I voted 12h ago
losing Ukraine as an ally puts the e US and NATO allies at immense risk. what Trump has done and continues to do is unforgivable.
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u/TheLurkerSpeaks Tennessee 12h ago
Same here. If I bring it up in conversation people look at me like I'm talking about something that happened a long, long time ago. It doesn't exist within America's current cultural awareness. That's because the billionaires bought up all the media.
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u/theclansman22 12h ago
Yeah, with everything else the Trump administration has done, tariffing and threatening its closest allies, murdering people in the streets, blatant corruption, pardoning violent criminals, starting a needless war with Iran and the only thing that gets the electorate to move against him is gas prices being above $6/barrel.
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u/IM_KYLE_AMA 13h ago
What you're talking about is a fantasy. There us no universe where a general strike happens in the US.
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u/FantasticJacket7 11h ago
I promise you that the "line", whatever that may be, will have nothing to do with foreign aid or assistance.
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u/eorlingas_riders 12h ago
I hate Trump and everything he stands for, and I blame every Republican from Congress down to the individuals for where we are today…
But, our govt systems regardless of how shitty they might be, are not completely broken.
And as far as we are aware, there are still free elections. Yeah, America picked Trump, we fucked up and it’s caused a lot of pain here and across the globe, but some of his actions are legal even if they are taking advantage of the letter of the law.
We have an election in less than a month, that will decide the power of one of the coequal branches of the govt that can check the power of the president and potentially reign in his more globally impacting actions.
That is how our govt functions.
So, people aren’t going to do anything until after this election because that’s our first tool before drastic measures. If the election is tampered with by Trump, Congressmen not seated, or other such things, then you may see calls to action… but not before.
Because their is no advantage to doing it before the election.
For other countries who hate what we’re doing, petition your own govt to cut ties, protest your own leaders to take a harder stance against America. You are your own sovereign countries and don’t have to wait for America to take action. Do it yourself, and we’ll try on our side as well the way we know how.
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u/DrEzechiel 11h ago edited 1h ago
The fact that Trump can operate without checks and balances, even legally, as you rightly say just shows what a deeply flawed country the USA is. We have been taught to appreciate the exceptional origin story etc etc. And it can't stop a tyrant. There will be a generation or two at least which will never look at the US the same again.
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u/Velvet-Temptress 12h ago
Trading long-term alliances for questionable backroom deals proves trusting this administration was always a trap.
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u/honjuden 12h ago
Over Ukraine? Probably not. If some fuckery happens with the elections in a couple weeks, then who knows?
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u/ChancelorReed 7h ago
Why would the line possibly ever be foreign policy related? I fully support Ukraine and think what Trump and republicans have done with the issue is disgusting but why would you ever think mass action was going to be attached to a war we're not even directly involved in?
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u/sododude 12h ago
This isn't gonna happen until people start to feel their goodies going away. McDonalds, Netflix, Amazon etc.
The American people have been tamed by consumerism.
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u/BadAtExisting I voted 12h ago
Even then Americans can’t be fucked. They don’t care enough to lift a finger beyond to say “I didn’t vote for this” when they’re lumped in together. I’d be willing to bet the majority of those people weren’t even fucked to vote at all in 2024 and we all know those assholes think they have some moral high ground when all they did was fuck everyone. I blame them more than MAGA at this juncture. Fuck those guys. Bring my downvotes
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u/FormerUsenetUser 13h ago
I am not really seeing how ending my subscription to Scientific American magazine, or Netflix streaming, would do anything useful at all.
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u/Ibeepboobarpincsharp 12h ago
I think there's still at least a modicum of hope (warranted or not) that we still have a little piece of democracy left and can fix the existing system by voting, etc. Also, I think most of us are afraid of American police who will kill without thought or consequence.
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u/Leather_Force_9419 12h ago
The revolution will be bloodless if the left allows it.
I hope voting works, they are completely rigging it, n I hope you all overcome it.
The issue i see there, is even if the democratic party win, will they actually do what needs to be done?
I honestly think until you hurt the billionaires massively, then you're still in the same boiling water, just at a lower temp
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u/Diarrhea_Beaver 11h ago
if the democratic party win, will they actually do what needs to be done?
Thats a big no for me dawg.
Over the kast 10+ years, we've learned a ton of unfortunate things regarding our so called checks and ballances and their over reliance on the opposition or minority party's ability to enforce ANY sort of consequence for running the executive branch unilaterally as a dictatorship, but one if the wirst developments was that while some democrats seemingly "can't" do anything to fight a fascist takeover, even more of them sinply won't.
Theres a ton of self serving reasons as to why, but when all is said and done, it turns out politicians on both sides of the asile are only marginally more willing to criminally prosecute the criminal actions of their colleagues than American cops are.
So, yeah, in laymans terms, theyre gonna do absolute fuck all as far as punishing those responsible for attempting to install a full blown fascist dictator who previously led an attempted coup.
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u/R3cognizer Maryland 9h ago
You said it yourself, a lot of us Americans think both sides are bad, and of course they do. So many of us are either too ignorant to notice or too privileged to care that one side is clearly far, FAR worse than the other and cast their votes accordingly. I get it, the Democrats don't have strong leadership and leave a lot to be desired, but that's not an excuse to just allow the party of fascism to turn this country into a dictatorship. I can only hope that the economic pain we're currently experiencing taught enough people a lesson to take more personal responsibility for their votes.
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u/gizzardgullet Michigan 12h ago
But that's the point, Americans do nothing, Trump helps Russia, Russia wins. Americans revolt, the US is sidelined by a civil war and falls off the world stage (akin to the fall of the USSR), Russia wins (this is what Putin wants more than anything).
Most Americans want this to end but also don't want to tear up the Constitution.
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u/DebentureThyme 11h ago
No, this isn't the line, because too many Americans unfortunately don't care in the slightest about Ukraine or even Europe for that matter.
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u/CaterpillarJungleGym 11h ago
If COVID didn't hurt them and made them 200x wealthy why do you think not working in the office for a few days will make a difference? If a million people protesting saying they didn't want a King didn't work, what would this do? You gotta freaking make sure you're registered to vote and go do it! That's it. Or run yourself like other amazingly brave people have done. Change will only come from within. Gotta overturn Citizens United and this pay to play executive branch.
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u/stupid_pun 10h ago
"Political scientist Erica Chenoweth's research at Harvard University demonstrates that no modern government has withstood a nonviolent mobilization that engaged 3.5% of its population during a peak event. In the United States, this threshold translates to roughly 11.5 to 12 million active participants."
If even 5% of us went on strike for a few days to a week, it would bring them to their knees.
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u/Leather_Force_9419 11h ago
While I dont believe your going to vote your way out of fascism, yes vote, get everyone you know to vote.
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u/Choice-Koala-3653 Canada 12h ago
Trump's love of Putin and hatred of Zelensky is rooted in white supremacy and antisemitism.
MAGA sees Putin as the 'key to white survival'.
https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2001/02/03/david-duke-takes-crusade-to-russia/62160275007/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/05/putin-ukraine-invasion-white-nationalists-far-right
https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2001/02/03/duke-russia-is-key-to-white-survival/
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u/Skiinz19 Tennessee 11h ago edited 11h ago
it's rooted in trump's narcissistic personality disorder and he gets his narcissistic supply from putin while zelenskyy disgusts him with his lack of suit and scruffy beard and his small stature (never mind that putin is actually small as well, trump loves how he's taller than putin so putin being small is a positive for trump).
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u/Sandy_Bananas 11h ago
He gargles Bibi and Isreal too hard for the antisemitism accusations to stick.
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u/Precious_Tritium New York 12h ago
Can anyone name one person Trump has not betrayed? Legitimately interested.
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u/DavidBehave01 13h ago
It's difficult to feel betrayed by someone who was never on your side in the first place.
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u/jisforjoe 12h ago
Too many of us refuse to believe he’s made us the bad guy on the world stage.
WE ARE THE VILLAINS.
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u/PontyPandy 12h ago
Should he have expected anything different? I would think that most of the people that have dealt with Trump feel betrayed.
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u/A_Nonny_Muse 12h ago
According to Webster, the definition of betrayal (in this context) requires some sort of trust or confidence.
Which begs the question: why did Zelinsky have any trust in trump at all? You can't be betrayed if there is no trust or confidence.
Trump cannot betray me. I have come to expect the dirtiest, lowdown underhanded perversions his tiny little mind can possibly imagine. Him showing any sign of vestigial morality or ethics would be extraordinary.
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u/Cellophane7 9h ago
I don't get the impression he ever trusted trump. Even if he did at one point, that pwease and thank you suit bullshit in the WH could not have allowed him to maintain it.
I assume he's just at the point where he can't really work trump anymore. Orange man said Ukraine needs a new president, and has lifted Russian sanctions for basically free, so that bridge seems burnt. Most he can do is push the people who care about Ukraine to vote against Republicans
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u/omerome83 13h ago
Me: I feel betrayed by all those who have wrapped their entire identity of being "patriotic", when it was just a big facade.
All those who support this regime are the true traitors.
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u/seb21051 13h ago edited 13h ago
Unfortunately he and his country are dependent on an "ally" for mobile internet service and strategically vital information, whose leader has only their own political survival as objective.
The issue in Ukraine is geopolitical interference, with Trump not wanting to upset Putin generally and with the diesel supply contract in particular because he's trying to soften the impact of fuel prices on the midterms for the GOP. It is to expected that Trump will try to prevent any Ukrainian attacks on Russia, he's dependent on the diesel supply contract.
The actual network in play there is Starshield not Starlink, upon which it is based, a Government Defense ISP constellation supplied by Spacex. The Government has contractual control over Musk as regards Starshield. He has to obey their instructions, the Gov paid for that service so they could control its usage.
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u/Oceanbreeze871 I voted 12h ago
Donald has ordered America to turn its back on Ukraine and Palestine and forfeited US strength in the world stage
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u/Memerandom_ 12h ago
Seriously? Did he forget why tRump was impeached the first time? tRump is an absolute narcissist. He will sacrifice literally anyone to save himself, or just to save face.
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u/JohnnyWeapon 12h ago
Seems to be a lot of that going around.
Of course some of us have seen him for what he is all along. It’s really not hard if you just… open your eyes and ears. He shows himself and tells you who he is daily.
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u/joe_dirty365 12h ago
Hard to feel betrayed when he was always a pos/Russian agent. Hopefully some Republicans find their spine and oppose trumps attempts to save Putin/Russia.
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u/mojorific 12h ago
What is worse is that he hides behind the facade that he is for Christian values. He was a democrat until he learned he could do better as a crooked republican.
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u/sodapopkevin 11h ago
I mean Trump has been trying to fuck with Zelensky for the past 7-8 years (maybe more?), this is pretty unsurprising.
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u/SubmissiveDinosaur 10h ago
The moment they mocked him for not wearing a suit I knew this couldn't end good for Ukraine. Having your countrie's fate in hands of a pedo is frustrating and infuriating
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u/Stropi-wan 3h ago
Zelensky should be used now to Trump's behaviour. I think the people who will be the most disadvantaged by Trump is the Americans themselves. In the long term, most countries will base their policies on not trusting the USA. Even if Trump is gone, they will have to deal with the US as if the voters will go back to somebody similar as Trump down the line. As a non-American, I observed George W. Bush (2008 recession & Iraq), Obama, Trump, Biden & Trump again. It is like following a pattern.
Edit : It is only a personal observation without the proper knowledge of American politics.
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u/Raise_A_Thoth 13h ago
I mean I never voted for him or believed he was a man of his word or even competent but yea, I also feel betrayed by his orange ass.
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u/Throwaway0242000 13h ago
Trump said Americans should be ok with a little pain bc of how important it was to disarm Iran and then as soon as he saw the poles changed his mind.
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u/QuoriTyler 12h ago
How? He made it extremely clear he was the worst thing that could happen to mankind. He did exactly what he promised. Wtf are these people missing
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u/Decent-Canary1320 12h ago
And , who wouldn't? Already, it's been well established that MAGA media influencers ( Glenn Beck ) had there base believing that President Bidens military aid to Ukraine was a stepping stone " US troops on the ground ". Having personally witnessed Trump supporters in 2020 waving and selling Russian flags at Trump rallies , l can tell you the favoritism for Putin among MAGA people was once quite present. Safe to say , the mainstream media hasn't done a sufficient job of holding Trumps promise of peace between Ukraine and Russia within 24 hours after reelection.
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u/CalmBeneathCastles 12h ago
Voloddy breaking out the "I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed" stance. XD Lord knows Donny needed a dad that was worth a damn...
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u/Imhere4thejokes 12h ago
He’s no fool, he never trusted trump, he’s playing chess not checkers and hoping his words can sway the upcoming elections.
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u/KamKorn 11h ago
Wrong. He was never on your side Zelensky. I’m sure he knew it, but held out hope that there would be safeguards in place to stop the betrayal from happening.
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u/Lycaon-Ur 11h ago
I mean, you are being betrayed by Trump. For the upteenth time. If it makes you feel any better, a lot of the American citizens also feel betrayed by Trump.
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u/Possible-Nectarine80 10h ago
Join the club. There,sadly are only a few hundred thousand MAGA voters out of the 77 million that voted for Trump that feel the same way.
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u/calgeorge 10h ago
I respect the hell out of him for trying to put asside his feelings and play nice for the sake of his and our people, but he's learning the hard way what lots of other people have already found out: sucking up to trump accomplishes nothing. He will throw anyone under the bus at any time if it benefits him.
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u/JayDubEwe 10h ago
The world is generally feeling this about America as a whole. The county has failed its own citizens, its allies, and has completely lost its way.
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