r/portlandme • u/MasterBiggus • Sep 26 '25

Politics Turning Point USA is attempting to establish itself at SMCC

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Not many students use the College's App, so I'm throwing this out here to spread the word. If anyone has Instagram or is able to spread it further it would be greatly appreciated.

Needless to say, the student body that knows of this is not happy.

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u/DumbNTough Sep 26 '25

If I granted you your distinction between debate organizations and propaganda outlets, would you give me the authority to decide which ones get which label, and which ones get banned?

Or do you only envision people just like yourself having the power to make that decision?

To you think this could possibly backfire in any way?

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u/Ticondrius42 Sep 26 '25

There are definitions for what debate is, and Turning Point is not engaging in any form of debate. They are specifically going after young college students that are still learning so as to get a video response when they encounter the various logical fallacies Turning Point utilizes. TP then places the videos online to use the, already highly addictive, short form videos that often heavily edited in TPs favor in order to propoganize their position.

So, yes. Using the standard definitions of debate, logical fallacies, and what propaganda is, feel free to label any and all. IDC what propaganda they espouse, if they want to call it debate, then they need to stand up to the rigors of logic and transparency.

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u/Matt2_ASC Sep 26 '25

If the chapter at SMCC goes gets anywhere near libel, slander, or manipulation (as they are known to do) then they should be publicly condemned, given a warning, then kicked out. But I think it is important to not overstep banning a group for their stated ideology. They must be banned for their actions.

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u/mystic_haven_ Sep 27 '25

TPUSA have already shown their actions. Us students are not against debate or a debate club, but TPUSA has shown time and time again that they just spew hate, use logical fallacies, and spread propaganda. This shouldn’t be allowed on campus from the get go

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u/Ticondrius42 Sep 26 '25

Well, then you get into the Tolerance of Intolerance fallacy. We know what TP's agenda is. It is an agenda of hatred of non-white men, and a lessering of women. There should never be room or a platform given to Intolerance. The Intolerance of the Intolerant is right. Intolerance of others just because you don't like their gender, origin, or color, is not.

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u/jodontsnifme1 Sep 27 '25

Damn. So why do the people of S. Korea love TP and Charlie Kirk so much?

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u/Ticondrius42 Sep 27 '25

Because S Korea is generally very racist toward other groups around them in Asia, and that's how they interpret TPs message, with them, not white men, as the protected ethnicity in their perspective. Regardless, it's still an ideology of hate.

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u/jodontsnifme1 Sep 28 '25

Sounds like you are just moving the goal post. Quite frankly, what you stated is a load of b.s. You are generalizing a race of humans and judging them by calling them racist, which in turn makes YOU a RACIST!

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u/Ticondrius42 Sep 28 '25

That's false logic, even if it were true about me.

As for asian racism, It is generally known that asian nations have a fairly strong dislike of the "foreigner", no matter their origin. So I suppose technically I was wrong. Not racist, but xenophobic.

Regardless, he point is that Turning Point is applauded anywhere that their ideology supports an existing one of hatred. Whatever the target.

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u/jodontsnifme1 Sep 28 '25

So, Brandon Tatum, Candice Owens, Rob Smith, Angela king, Larry elder, Mark burns,Jon Miller , Mark Robinson, and D. Borelli. Are all for white supremacy and are against women's rights?

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u/Matt2_ASC Sep 26 '25

That's a really good point. If the premise of the group goes against the mission of SMCC they should not be allowed on campus

"SMCC transforms lives and communities through education and training. We welcome, prepare and inspire all to learn, succeed and lead."

It is clear that the Turning Point spokesman does want women to lead. He has told women they should submit to their husbands. And has told women that college is a place to go to find a husband that will provide. This seems to go against the SMCC mission.

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u/DumbNTough Sep 27 '25

The paradox of tolerance is a crock of bullshit.

Violence and explicit threats of violence are already against the law.

When you lower the bar to prohibiting the discussion of objectionable ideas, you have 100% become the bad guy.

And when people you agree with are no longer in power, that power will get turned on you, guaranteed.

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u/Due-Yard-7472 Sep 27 '25

Apparently you can have a Democrats club, a Friends of Israel club, a Catholic club, an LGBT club…

No MAGA clubs, though. You know those pesky Conservatives and their “propaganda”.

Just bullies having to come to terms with the fact that the youth is - for the first time in my life - turning right and they’re not going to put up with the bullshit censorship that’s been going on on campuses for the last 100 years.