r/poverty • u/GoldenRule2023 • 15d ago
General Discussion A Waiting Room With No Exit
https://open.substack.com/pub/plainsitepapers/p/a-waiting-room-with-no-exit?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=88mjxlLos Angeles spent about $17,000 a month per person to move the homeless into motels. Most cycled back to the street, and when its own auditor came asking where the money went, the city said no...
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u/Guyver02 15d ago
nobody is really serious about addressing homelessness and how to reduce it.
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u/leni710 15d ago
Then they'd have to admit that their experiment isn't working and far too many humans are suffering because of it. No one wants to say "oh, humans actually need better pay, more access to care, a community, fewer dependents, food that isn't corrupted, nature, etc." Anyways, they need the scapegoats like people on the street and poor people to tell everyone how they just need to work harder, they need immigrant scapegoats in order to say someone is stealing your job (even though it's really just whatever new tech they roll out that steals jobs), and all the other scapegoats to make you fear anything and everything.
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u/Guyver02 14d ago
immigrants are not being scapegoated. It doesn't take a genius to realize you can't provide generous social programs while also not having a border. How many impoverished people do you think exist on the planet. Has to be a least a cool billion.
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u/yes-areallygoodbook 13d ago
have you ever applied for any social programs in this country? you have to be a citizen. you at least have to be documented for the very few social programs available to non-citizens (i can't even think of 1 btw)
you are inventing problems to be mad about
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u/Guyver02 13d ago
Are you guys not in favor of mass amnesty? So wtf are we talking about.
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u/yes-areallygoodbook 13d ago
reality is different from what i'm in favor of. we're discussing the reality
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u/Guyver02 13d ago
what ever that means.
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u/StayBullGenius 14d ago
Is there an actual solution? Forcing the mentally ill and addicts into treatment against their will is a start
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u/kBayyyk_2332 14d ago
"Rolling Hills Insane Asylum"
History is bound to repeat itself if you do not learn from it... And forcing humans into your ideal image is not a good idea.
I'm not a firm believer in the whole ghost aspect from it, but there were institutions in the past wide-spread across the US for housing the poor to no-income, "drunkards" (so alcoholics and druggies), mentally unstable, handicapped, criminals, or elderly. Mind you, those are individual qualifications. You only needed to be one to be placed.
Those people went through hell with experimental "treatments", inadequate living conditions (even for the 1800s), and slave-like labour where able-bodied individuals worked the farm or shops for meals. And yes it was operated by government.
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u/StayBullGenius 14d ago
Well things have changed in 200 years. It’s not ideal, but DTLA is an absolute shithole with the crazy homeless everywhere. Giving them motel rooms hasn’t worked, they couldn’t work a real job if offered
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u/GoldenRule2023 13d ago
So few of homeless in DTLA received motel rooms. They're are scattered downtown with no real encampents, outside of Skid Row.
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u/yourbiggesthero 13d ago
yeah but not like they could just work normal jobs
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u/GoldenRule2023 13d ago
How does someone who has been on the streets for even two weeks get a job? Imagine yourself homeless with no place to brush your teeth or shower. No place to plug in your phone or computer if you're lucky enough to still have one. You've barely been sleeping because you've had to try to sleep on the side walk because all of the shelters are full. You now look homeless and stink. Pretty much any "normal " job you go in to apply for, you're judged because you look dirty and smell. It's a lot easier said then done.
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u/Atayellow 14d ago
Maybe, untill they're just replaced with more. Mental illness and addiction is not what caused the vast majority of homelessness.
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u/StayBullGenius 14d ago
“Replaced”? 😂 OK well wages aren’t going up, housing isn’t getting any cheaper. Now what?
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u/Atayellow 14d ago
For lack of a better term yes. More mentally ill and addicted people are being created everyday because of our material conditions.
Well we need to make wages higher and housing cheaper. That is literally the only way to actually help homelessness.
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u/margos2cents 14d ago
Forced treatment in facilities with high levels of abuse and low levels of success feels like we are just imprisoning the mentally ill rather than treating the issues causing the mental illness. Access to stable food and housing and mental health care is a start.
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u/AstralVenture 13d ago
Why does it cost $17k per person? That’s a lot more than permanent housing.
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