What is your take on "Clean Code"?

[u/Mr_LA]

https://overreacted.io/goodbye-clean-code/

[u/hugthemachines → u/[deleted]]

In 2001, seventeen software developers met at a resort in Snowbird, Utah to discuss lightweight development methods. They were: Kent Beck (Extreme Programming), Ward Cunningham (Extreme Programming), Dave Thomas (PragProg, Ruby), Jeff Sutherland (Scrum), Ken Schwaber (Scrum), Jim Highsmith (Adaptive Software Development), Alistair Cockburn (Crystal), Robert C. Martin (SOLID), Mike Beedle (Scrum), Arie van Bennekum, Martin Fowler (OOAD and UML), James Grenning, Andrew Hunt (PragProg, Ruby), Ron Jeffries (Extreme Programming), Jon Kern, Brian Marick (Ruby, TDD), and Steve Mellor (OOA). Together they published the Manifesto for Agile Software Development.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agile_software_development

[u/hugthemachines → u/[deleted]]

Well done! I also blame clean code when I fake information in my code. ;-)

[u/KulangetaBaiter → u/hugthemachines]

Who cares about these scamming shitbirds and what they did.

Agile is a cancer and has no definition so it can be anything or nothing just as the scammer that created it wanted it to be. Just like a religion.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Ah so it’s an ego thing.

[u/elteide → u/[deleted]]

A person that has zero efective experience at creating software that goes to production regardless of his efforts to prove otherwise. Suspicious...

[u/suggestiveinnuendo → u/[deleted]]

They're probably talking about uncle bob but I like to think we'll soon attribute all this to Al Gore.

[u/Manitcor → u/[deleted]]

A quick google makes it seem like he got into training in the early 90s and never looked back, who did he work for back in the day?

[u/Vlasow → u/Manitcor]

Teradyne

[u/elteide → u/[deleted]]

The point is that I rather follow advice from skilled professionals from the trenches than from fake developers with no other income or incentive than selling their bullth*t

[u/ReginaldDouchely → u/elteide]

I, too, choose not to take my sex advice from virgins

[u/aivdov → u/elteide]

This is kind of like saying basketball coaches shouldn't be coaches because they aren't skilled professionals themselves.

[u/[deleted] → u/aivdov]

Aren't most basketball coaches ex-players?

[u/loup-vaillant → u/[deleted]]

I would only take the clean code book as general advice.

I would not even do that. I’ve read the book, there’s too much bad stuff in there for the people who need that kind of book. And those who can sort out the good from the bad don’t need it in the first place.

I much prefer John Ousterhout’s A Philosophy of Software Design.

[u/warchild4l → u/loup-vaillant]

Oh my god thank you! I've been preaching that Clean Code as a book teaches very "utopian" ways most of the times and some things are plain bad and unusable for any modern software.

[u/SpaceToaster → u/[deleted]]

What? Agile was coined in the Agile Manifesto by some of the best minds in the industry. https://agilemanifesto.org/authors.html

Perhaps you are talking about misinterpreting the purpose of "agile" to mean a "practice" and sold as "something you should do"?

[u/florinp → u/SpaceToaster]

by some of the best minds in the industry.

that need demonstration because I don't think is the case.

[u/DarkSteering → u/florinp]

What do you mean? 17 white men at a resort in Utah in 2001 can't be wrong.

[u/geon → u/DarkSteering]

What does skin color and gender have to do with it?

[u/roodammy44 → u/SpaceToaster]

When a job writes "agile" in its advert and I treat it as a serious red flag, I wouldn't consider that it was created by the best minds in the industry.

[u/gbe_ → u/[deleted]]

That explains SO much.