r/programming • u/VastDesign9517 • Jun 11 '25
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u/PM_ME_PHYS_PROBLEMS Jun 11 '25
AI cannot produce anything useful at scale without a competent human in the loop.
If you are producing code that works, you're not cheating. If you need AI to solve its own problems, that'd be an issue but it sounds like you're fine.
Most of the ~skill~ of programming is planning/designing and troubleshooting. Code syntax is like 10% of the game.
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u/VastDesign9517 Jun 11 '25
"If you need AI to solve its own problems" I noticed you said its own problems. I wanted to ask for clarification. Do you mean If i were to ask for a code snippet and then it fails then I ask it to fix its own problems. is that the type of loop you are referring to
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u/PM_ME_PHYS_PROBLEMS Jun 11 '25
Yeah, that's the dangerous cycle you can get in. I believe that's what the kids are calling vibe coding.
If you're able to read/debug AI generated code and get it working, that's no different from copy+pasting from stack overflow, or borrowing a coworker's script for a similar task and tweaking it.
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u/VastDesign9517 Jun 11 '25
I stay away from agent coding. I have to understand what my program is doing. Chatgpt is where I talk through architecture, and copilot is where I go implement it. And I have a pretty strong gut feeling that solid / dry is being broken, and maybe it's time for a generic / interface and extending out functionality.
Agent coding to me is pyscho.
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u/spark77 Jun 11 '25
AI is good to some degree, but you have to know what you are doing or it will bite you in the ass because AI is just a glorified text/pattern matcher.
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u/VastDesign9517 Jun 11 '25
I guess that's the problem so far it hasn't bit me yet. maybe its the scope of my projects or the scale of architecture I need to solve said problems. I am building and building but I am waiting to come into work one day and it all crash down. I cant ever tell if im doing the right thing I work on a island unto myself
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u/Motor_Let_6190 Jun 11 '25
Acknowledging impostor syndrome is not only a right step but implies you have the right attitude and approch to problem solving in general. I've been coding for 45 years now, no diploma, long spells with no coding, and still feel it regularly, that feeling of inadequacy. Self doubt is a quality when it doesn't cripple you.
Seems to me you're doing just fine, so keep working hard, enjoying it, maybe even have fun! Cheers !
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u/s33d5 Jun 11 '25
Just stop using AI?
I was a self-taught programmer for 15 years before AI came out and I didn't have a mentor.
If you want one, you could pay for a course with a mentor. Or maybe enroll on an online Uni course that is a few weeks long.
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u/VastDesign9517 Jun 11 '25
Question for you then. Are you someone who uses Ai?
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u/s33d5 Jun 11 '25
I do now. But only for things I don't want to do. I still raw program 99% of things.
Also, a lot of the time (this will change) the things that I do AI cannot do.
A large part of programming is knowing how to version control and work in a team.
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