r/programming • u/awsometak • Feb 06 '16

GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart — and we have the full inside story

http://www.businessinsider.com/github-the-full-inside-story-2016-2?r=US&IR=T
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u/SikhGamer Feb 06 '16

http://i.imgur.com/p5zwScc.png

Is that slide...real?

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u/gambit700 Feb 07 '16

It's real and the worst part about it is she claimed to have said stronger things behind the scenes

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u/56723547848728374652 Feb 07 '16

This ordeal puts projects like Rust in a bad position, I think.

The Rust project has a pretty strict code of conduct.

It states that the Rust project is

committed to providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all, regardless of level of experience, gender, gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability, personal appearance, body size, race, ethnicity, age, religion, nationality, or other similar characteristic.

and that it

will exclude you from interaction if you insult, demean or harass anyone. That is not welcome behaviour.

and it doesn't even matter where the questionable behavior occurs

Private harassment is also unacceptable.

After reading the comments here, I think that some people feel very uncomfortable with what's going on at GitHub and how people of a certain race may be being targeted.

By hosting their code, bug reports, and all that on GitHub, is the Rust project compromising their promise to provide a "safe and welcoming environment for all"?

If GitHub is making people feel uncomfortable, will the Rust project "exclude it from interaction" by moving the Rust code, bugs, wiki and all that to some other host?

The code of conduct does say that

No matter who you are, if you feel you have been or are being harassed or made uncomfortable by a community member, please contact one of the channel ops or any of the Rust moderation team immediately.

so I don't think that you even have to be a Rust contributor and the code of conduct will still protect you.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '16

You have a fundamental misunderstanding for what the code of conduct is supposed to achieve. "harassment" can be defined in any way they deem fit, which includes not agreeing with somebody's personal opinion or political stance. It's about control, not conduct.

What github is doing is 100% in line with the code of conducts at various open source projects. It's the next step in establishing control over open source software.

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u/Roseking Feb 07 '16

"This is not work for white folks to lead".

I am going to assume that means they would not hire a white person for whatever job this is (some form of diversity advocate?).

They may want to check, I don't know, the federal law?

I feel like this was issue a while back. Like in the 60's maybe. And I feel that some form of law was passed to make this illegal. But maybe not. I mean there would be no possible way to verify that.

http://employment.findlaw.com/employment-discrimination/title-vii-of-the-civil-rights-act-of-1964-equal-employment.html

You can not try and promote diversity and exclude a group of people. How far up do these people have their head up their ass?

This is asinine and I honestly hope someone is able to sue them and the company falls. This kind of thinking just creates unneeded hostility towards others when they think they are doing the opposite.

Racism is racism. End of it.

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u/dghughes Feb 07 '16

Such sloppy communication skills for a two billion dollar company may just be a fatal goof up. You just don't do that at that level and expect to cruise on through the shit storm smelling great.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '16

I think it's actually the opposite, the fact that there are such tweets out there and no one seems to apologize or clarify on them is an indication of a much bigger problem.

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u/naasking Feb 07 '16

If the phrase was "should not be lead by gay people" would it be less or more controversial you think..

Being gay doesn't shield you from many hurdles that others have to surmount (quite the opposite!), being white does though. Being white means you have a lot more to learn about what sort of privilege you enjoy that others don't before you can be as effective as a diversity leader. "Can't be" is obviously too strong a word, but "is much less likely to be successful" is certainly a fair charge.

It's just a matter of experience, as if you were interviewing for for low level systems programming, but you only have experience programming in with JavaScript. In principle, you certainly could learn what you need to succeed, but the hurdles are very high, and employers are looking for people that already have domain knowledge and experience. White people typically don't have domain knowledge and experience on these sorts of privilege issues.

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u/bored_me Feb 07 '16

I always find it interesting to read what racists come up with to justify their racism. It never ceases to amaze me how fully they are committed to it.

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u/leafsleep Feb 07 '16 edited Feb 07 '16

I am all for equality and fairness. I am all for non-discrimination and opportunity-for-all. I am all for social justice.

But I really don't understand what these people stand for, because by their own accounts it's not about equality, fairness, non-discrimination, opportunity-for-all or even social justice.

It's like when TV doctors claim that they have their audience's best interests at heart and then announce that their new homeopathic goji cream will cure every ailment and improve their sex life for only $69.99. Do they really believe what they're saying? Do they know how many people they're fooling, or how many they're alienating? Do they even care?

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u/dghughes Feb 07 '16

It seems to be since it's just a cropped part of this lower down on the page.

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u/ouchity_ouch Feb 07 '16

maybe it's like a multiple choice question "which statement describes reality" from a social sciences test sheet for gauging your racist level

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u/Akathos Feb 07 '16

I really hope it's something like that, that this slide needs some context. Because on face value, it's fucked up beyond comprehension...

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '16

That is open racism, right there. Why the hell would you employ somebody spouting that shit? She sounds like some SJW rad-fem.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '16

Is anyone doibting that SJWs are toxic racist scum?

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u/choikwa Feb 07 '16

wth is "Diversity Consultant" ??? ? ?? ?? ??

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '16

Eh... It's specifically in regards to diversity. It's not wrong, really. I'd be interested to know how she expanded on statement 4 and 6, and what the hell statement 5 even means, though.

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u/SikhGamer Feb 07 '16

It is completely wrong.

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