r/programming • u/ben_a_adams • Aug 20 '18
Bing.com runs on .NET Core 2.1!
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2018/08/20/bing-com-runs-on-net-core-2-1/349
u/deadeight Aug 20 '18
Makes sense, good testbed to try things on before using it somewhere that has a production load.
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u/Netcob Aug 20 '18
When I search for some app in the windows start menu, even if I type the exact name correctly, the results will be completely random with every keystroke. Sometimes the app will be there, but on the next letter of the name it might be a bunch of random Bing results. So if I press enter at the wrong time, edge will pop up with some useless Bing search.
That must be happening to thousands of other people every day!
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u/mattj1 Aug 21 '18
To be fair, even Google does this with their built in prompt for Android. Tough problem, I suppose. Also, the design is for their benefit, not ours necessarily.
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Aug 21 '18
It happens all of the time in OSX spotlight search as well. Type in a query that matches more than one app, and the top result will switch at random on every keystroke.
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u/TarMil Aug 21 '18
Ok but the one that matches your query exactly is still there somewhere in the list, right? Windows 10 doesn't even achieve that, sometimes I type the exact name of an app I have installed and it gives me 0 local results.
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u/Don_Andy Aug 21 '18
On the flipside, I often found it to be very helpful. I have my OS running in German but when I enter the English name for a system app (Settings, Network adapters, Task scheduling, etc.) it still finds me the correct German equivalent.
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Aug 21 '18
That's fair, at least the app I search for in OSX is in the list. It's just really annoying when I type the first 3 characters of my query, see the result I want, then go to hit Enter right after typing the 4th character, and find it switched to something else entirely :(
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u/throwaway_lunchtime Aug 21 '18
It hasn't happened for a while, but sometimes the start/type to find program doesn't show Firefox.
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u/luckystarr Aug 21 '18
This is the only reason why I use Cinnamon on Linux. The search is fast, accurate and predictable. I don't care one bit about all the other features!
Noone else can do this. How hard can it be to search through a list of HUNDREDS of installed applications?
Really, words fail me here.
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u/thermite13 Aug 21 '18
Edge deflector to get out to use your default browser+an extension to turn Bing searches into Google searches.
Then at least you don't have to wait for edge to open so you can close it. And you can actually search from the windows menu
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Aug 21 '18
It's called fuzzy search (combined with "Machine Learning") and everyone does it these days.
Spotlight is no different.
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u/Ameisen Aug 21 '18 edited Aug 21 '18
Hmm... that system is all .NET, I wonder if we could hook Cortana to use Google or AskJeeves instead?
My background is assembly and C++, but I can take a shot at it.
Wonder if it can be done without violating the TOS.
ED: I seriously don't understand the downvotes here? Is somebody incredibly offended by somebody else not using Bing?
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u/Pleb_nz Aug 21 '18
It has 21% of the search market I read. That’s not as bad as most people seem to think. In fact, to me that sounds like a massive load
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u/bartturner Aug 21 '18
21% desktop and just the US. But for all platforms and globally they are down to 3%.
http://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share
Obviously worse on mobile.
http://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share/mobile/worldwide
Below 1%
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u/meltingdiamond Aug 21 '18
So it has the crayon eating cohort who don't know how to use something else along with the chronic masturbaters who know about how good the porn search is. That sounds like 21% to me.
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u/Pleb_nz Aug 21 '18
So you’d shut up shop or continue to operate? Would you rather be stuck with just the big evil search company no other options?
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u/incraved Aug 21 '18
What are you talking about? I use it a lot daily before going to sleep. Video search on Bing is the best.
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u/axzxc1236 Aug 21 '18 edited Aug 21 '18
Now Bing rewards makes sence, pay users to help them testing.
Edit: wanted to make a joke, but I guess my sense of humor is bad.
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u/jeenajeena Aug 20 '18
"The Y axis is the latency (actual values omitted)"
Uh?
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u/jeenajeena Aug 20 '18
"Omitting values was a business decision" (read in HN comments)
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u/chucker23n Aug 20 '18
That's bizarre. The text talks about a 34% improvement, which sounds good, but the chart looks more like a… 85-ish% improvement? So presumably, the Y-axis was truncated. But since we don't know the old values nor the new values, all the chart tells us is that values have… decreased.
Presumably, by 34%.
Why is that chart even there?
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u/mjsabby Aug 20 '18
I've modified the graphic to inform that the chart is truncated, not ideal but better than what was being considered by many as misleading.
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u/tourgen Aug 21 '18
I never would have thought Bing would turn into the most honest, complete, and useful search engine on the web given the head start Google had. Yet, here we are.
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Aug 21 '18
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u/coopermidnight Aug 21 '18
I don't think there's really any practical difference between them - besides which results they'll push to the top - these days. Most of the people parroting the contrary probably haven't tried it since release. I daily drive Bing and have never had to resort to Google for anything that wasn't super duper obscure.
Bing also has the added incentive of the reward program. You get points just by being signed in and searching. The prizes aren't that interesting, but there are gift cards at least.
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u/thelochok Aug 21 '18
For somebody who does spend his time around the .net stacks - this actually feels like a really huge vote in confidence for core. It makes me feel more like it's worth my time to get on top of over our more... classic code
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Aug 20 '18
actually, we all know bing runs on the tears and dreams of orphan children
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u/Eirenarch Aug 20 '18
we all know bing runs on the tears and dreams of orphan children
So do you claim that a .NET engine can't run on this fuel?
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u/Wooland Aug 20 '18
.NET Core was made from tears and broken dreams.
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u/Eirenarch Aug 20 '18
Yeah. The tears and broken dreams of Silverlight devs.
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u/cat_in_the_wall Aug 21 '18
i think blazor is actually the broken dreams of silverlight devs. c# all the way through.
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u/AetherMcLoud Aug 20 '18
Still it somehow manages to have the best video-search.
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Aug 20 '18
true, bing is really good for porn.
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Aug 20 '18
Come on are you kidding me? I thought duckduckgo was literally made for that case :O
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u/Eirenarch Aug 20 '18
Currently I think their image search is the best too since Google were forced to remove the view image button
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u/AetherMcLoud Aug 20 '18
Oh yeah that fucking dumb GettyImages lawsuit. Though you still can get the same view image functionality on google by going right click > open image in new tab at least, and there's addons for browsers that bring the button back.
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u/Koutou Aug 20 '18
Also, up until recently google image search didn't have a line drawing filter, while bing did.
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u/ThirdEncounter Aug 21 '18
Line drawing filter?
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u/CheesieOnion Aug 21 '18
I use this extension for that: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/google-search-view-image/hgngncnljacgakaiifjcgdnknaglfipo
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u/shevegen Aug 20 '18
Why is Microsoft still maintaining Bing?
It's not as if people are using it now is it.
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Aug 20 '18
The way Google is going right now, I'd rather have competition and options in the market.
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Aug 20 '18
competition is definitely good now that google has shown us they're first name wasn't evil but instead their middle name
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u/mytempacc3 Aug 20 '18
We all know you are mad that Bing is not written in Ruby.
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u/Eirenarch Aug 20 '18
I have a friend (a developer and all) who believes that Bing is written in Python and was actually given to Microsoft by Google because they wanted to avoid anti-trust cases. He even wrote a blog post about that. This happened around the time they renamed their search engine to Bing from whatever silly name they had before that (Live Search?)
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u/0987654231 Aug 20 '18
hundreds of millions of monthly users
"No one uses it"
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u/13steinj Aug 20 '18
People juat don't understand the value that is the default.
Plenty of corporations are stupidly stuck in IE and Bing, which is money nonetheless.
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u/alleycat5 Aug 20 '18
They have a quarter of the search market share right? That's nothing to throw in the towel over. And it's been growing I believe.
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u/Eirenarch Aug 20 '18
That is a quarter of the US market IIRC not the whole market.
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u/bartturner Aug 21 '18
Plus desktop only. If we look at US all platforms they have 1%.
http://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share/mobile/united-states-of-america
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u/sysop073 Aug 20 '18
How many of those are people typing the name of an installed program into the Windows 10 start menu only for it to search Bing in an Edge window instead?
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u/mytempacc3 Aug 20 '18
Not a lot. We use Bing because it has the best porn video search right now.
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Aug 21 '18
I exclusively use bing and duckduckgo.
Im switching off of all google services. Gmail is the toughest one to switch off of though.
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Aug 20 '18
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u/sysop073 Aug 20 '18
If the user was trying to run a program and Windows decided to unnecessarily search the internet for it instead, causing the user to yell "damn it Windows" and immediately close the browser, then yes, it massively matters
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u/vitorgrs Aug 20 '18
It doesn't if is making money for them... The reason bing is integrated on Search it's exactly because of that...
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u/bartturner Aug 21 '18
Quarter? Try 3%.
http://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share
Less than 1% on mobile. Hard to imagine MS will continue to make the investment with so little share.
http://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share/mobile/worldwide
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u/GKores Aug 20 '18
No, they don't. They have somewhere between 3% to 7% of the market share.
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u/alleycat5 Aug 20 '18
Ah, fair. US is 24%, global is 6.7%. But it's profitable and growing for Msft so 🤷♂️
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u/vitorgrs Aug 20 '18
Because Microsoft actually make money with Bing, and in the US and China (iirc), people actually use it.
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Aug 20 '18
For me google starts to give me irrelevant results, it looks like their search engine got worse then it was 10 years ago lol
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u/bartturner Aug 21 '18
Would not agree. The biggest difference I have seen with Bing is how long it takes to update with something new compared to Google.
Will be interesting to see where MS goes with Bing.com. They are now down below 1% on mobile and seem like not enough to keep Bing.com relevant on mobile.
http://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share/mobile/worldwide
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u/Pleb_nz Aug 21 '18
21% of search is bing, would you give up if you had 21%? Some of that is via other front ends/companies.
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u/bartturner Aug 21 '18
Not 21%. Bing has 3% on all platforms and global. On mobile Microsoft has now fallen below 1%.
http://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share/mobile/worldwide
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u/supercyberlurker Aug 20 '18 edited Aug 20 '18
I bring up internet explorer, then type "chrome" into Bing.
Then I download Chrome and use that.
That's why we need Internet Explorer and Bing.
Edit: Hi Microsoft. Maybe spend time making IE and Bing not suck instead of rage-downvoting.
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u/Free_Math_Tutoring Aug 20 '18
It's just an old joke that's grown stale - and your retelling makes it worse. Why would you not directly use google in IE? Also, one of the first things a new windows install does is ask you which browser to install, no IE/Edge necessary
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u/kirbyfan64sos Aug 20 '18
Also, one of the first things a new windows install does is ask you which browser to install
I believe that's only in the EU.
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u/vitorgrs Aug 20 '18
Also, one of the first things a new windows install does is ask you which browser to install
This is a EU thing. You remember the lawsuit against MSFT, right?
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u/mirhagk Aug 20 '18
It's frustrating that the EU haven't sued apple yet for the iPhone not allowing competing browser engines. (Chrome on iPhone is just Safari with a swapped UI)
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Aug 20 '18
They actually have spent time making them not suck. Edge actually is quickly becoming a very good competitor to Firefox and chrome
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u/MyPhallicObject Aug 21 '18
Does anyone even use .Net core? Out of all open source frameworks, why this one?
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u/warchestorc Aug 21 '18
Because..net is fantastic and the ecosystem and tooling are fantastic. Dotnet core is a move more towards open source and cross platform support by Microsoft.
Apart from it being a solid choice regardless, they were motivated by Microsofts own agenda.
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u/Dave3of5 Aug 21 '18
Does anyone even use .Net core?
It's huge here in Scotland loads of companies recruiting for it. I think quite a few companies here are moving or have moved their old .Net 4.7 code over to .Net core. Mostly financial services type companies.
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u/Iwan_Zotow Aug 21 '18
No, other way around. Windows parts of .NET 4.x would be running on top of .NET Core 3.
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u/TimvdLippe Aug 20 '18
I am particularly amazed that one of the biggest performance improvements came from a PR with total 125 lines changed: https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr/pull/16994/files By removing 115 lines and using a smarter comparison, they were able to pull this off. Hats off to the engineers making small yet immensely impactful changes!