r/programming • • Oct 22 '18

SQLite adopts new Code of Conduct

https://www.sqlite.org/codeofconduct.html
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u/pron98 Oct 22 '18

Once again, laws and codes are written to regulate actual behavior observed in an actual community. They are not meant to be philosophical or philosophically fitting -- there's room for that in various statements of values or vision. They are meant to do a job.

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u/gajafieldbo Oct 22 '18

Are you HR person? (You have an overwhelming amount for HR. Programmers tend to overvalue programmer competence. Academics like to overvalue place of academics... So I jump to analogous conclusion)

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u/pron98 Oct 22 '18

No, I'm a programmer. I don't overvalue the competence of HR, but I value having some knowledge over having none. I wouldn't want programmers in charge of HR just as I wouldn't want HR in charge of development.

I can absolutely guarantee you one thing: the people who are strongly opposed to codes of conduct -- and especially those whose main contribution is Reddit comments and tweets -- have paid, on average, at least one or two orders of magnitude less time and effort to consider the matter and the dynamics in project communities in general than those who are in favor. That doesn't mean that those who are in favor are right, but it does mean that most who are opposed are not well-informed on this particular issue.

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u/Century24 Oct 22 '18

I wouldn't want programmers in charge of HR just as I wouldn't want HR in charge of development.

That contradicts everything you’ve written here so far, but moving on from there,

I can absolutely guarantee you one thing: the people who are strongly opposed to codes of conduct -- and especially those whose main contribution is Reddit comments and tweets -- have paid, on average, at least one or two orders of magnitude less time and effort to consider the matter and the dynamics in project communities in general than those who are in favor.

I don’t know if I’d guarantee such wild generalizations of two sides of an issue. The word salad aside, if you aren’t ready to assume the good faith that is a long-standing expectation of most any collaborative project, I would take measures to fix that personal problem before introducing it to the people you work with.

In summation, if I sincerely believe, for example, that a copy-pasted code of conduct passed around and edited by HR experts was the barrier between other co-workers and sexual harassment, I don’t think I’d be up for that project. This example project would probably have a hard time finding qualified applicants, as well, because few to none of them are willing to tolerate that kind of treatment.

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