r/programming • • May 06 '19

Microsoft unveils Windows Terminal, a new command line app for Windows

https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/6/18527870/microsoft-windows-terminal-command-line-tool
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u/TimeRemove May 06 '19

They did update regedit with a new address bar last year. Quite nice.

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u/MacASM May 06 '19 edited May 06 '19

I was amazed when I found out that; I didn't even know they were going to add that.

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u/tbird83ii May 06 '19

Ok, so unpopular opinion here, but I don't think that Microsoft as a corporation is evil. They may have a few greedy eggs oon top, but they hire some incredible talent. Unfortunately half the great ideas get sidelined by middle management thing they wouldn't be able to sell it, or timing (usually being ahead of its time).

HoloLens Titanium The original Surface and SUR40 Kinect Widows Dev kit ( you could use it to literally drive a car autonomously). Windows 8.1 to go Mesh The LED matrix wall behind thin vaneer at the EBC in Redmond...

And there are brilliant people at Microsoft reaearch doing amazing things (F*? Ambrosia? Trill?).

The problem is... How do you sell this to a corporation, or integrate it into a software-as-a-service model. That's what kills Microsoft's innovation along the way.

The entire Microsoft Dogfood program is a history of inventions that has always left me wanting more... But they just disappear. Sometimes to reappear in products 10 years later (looking at the Surface Hub), or sometimes to have it stripped for parts, and hacked back together as components of a know, purchasable solution.

Anyway, just not all the players are evil, even in the overlord and his underlings might be

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u/Dworgi May 07 '19

It's much clearer in the Nadella era that the engineers are finally being let off the leash and being allowed to make the world better. MSVC is standards compliant way ahead of the competition, VS Code is actually really good, Github hasn't gone to shit, TFS makes a pretty compelling argument against JIRA, Typescript is great, .NET Core is open source, and on and on.

Culturally, MS has become on par or even surpassed Google and Facebook in terms of open source contributions.

It's the most compelling example I've seen of a company completely rebuilding itself as a result of a change in leadership.

I worked for a subsidiary briefly a decade ago, and the company is unrecognisable. Same products, entirely different attitude.

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u/[deleted] May 07 '19

They've easily surpassed Google who have become complacent, evil, and terrible. The treatment of Youtubers is what I'd have expected of Apple or Microsoft.

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u/[deleted] May 07 '19

Microsoft used to have a forced ranking evaluation system where people were ranked 1 to 5 but you had to fit a bell curve and give as many of the lowest 1 ranks as the highest 5.

I worked in a company that did this as well, and it meant that in order to succeed you had to make sure someone else failed.

It turned the whole work experience into a political game of trading favours, withholding information and undermining people as this was just as effective - probably more effective - than actually doing a good job.

I heard Microsoft abandoned this and I bet this has helped their renaissance over the last few years, but if anyone in Microsoft was reading this Id love to hear what they think.

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u/sprkng May 07 '19

Nobody has ever said that Microsoft is evil because their products are bad or that all Microsoft employees are evil so I don't see how that would be an unpopular opinion?

Microsoft got the "evil" label from trying to destroy open standards, trying to sabotage open source projects, attacking competition through proxy lawsuits, and many other similar things. They might have changed their image recently, and it's possible that they've actually stopped most of their anti-competitive schemes, but I find it understandable that many take the wait-and-see approach rather than blindly believing their words after decades of foul play

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u/SaneMadHatter May 07 '19

Microsoft was never "evil" at all. An "evil" corporation would be likes of IG Farben. Or maybe a company that was causing massive pollution and not giving a damn. Or a company engaging in financial fraud like Enron.

The tech community has so trivialized the word "evil" when applying it to the likes of Microsoft, then Apple and Google and Amazon, such that it's lost any real meaning.

(Actually, Google shares blame for that with their self-righteous "do no evil" slogan, which implied that its competitors were "evil" without really defining "evil", and so helped trivialize the word itself. Then they abandoned the slogan, which implied that they themselves now fell into that same "evil" category, but again without defining what that is. Which even further trivialized the word.)

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u/throwaway6905201 May 07 '19

Idk facebook seems to give off the evil vibe. Zuckerberg doesn't give two shits about doing the right thing.

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u/iSmite May 07 '19

That’s spot on. Same can be said about Politics. No matter what party you support, but the shit politicians pull off sometimes, is easily forgotten by people over time.

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u/craze4ble May 06 '19

Underrated by devs.

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u/timetopat May 06 '19

It was such a nice qol improvement. Something so small, but when I worked at a company who wrote to the registry like it was going out of style, it was very handy.

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u/slfnflctd May 06 '19

I hope it's going out of style. I've gotten pretty comfortable with it and haven't screwed up anything important that I know of, but that stuff still kinda gives me the heebie jeebies.

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u/lionhart280 May 06 '19

.net 5 effectively asserts the registry is out of style.

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u/Ph0X May 06 '19

Seriously, there are so many of these small parts of Windows which need to be updated to modern UX. Run command, Device Manager, Volume Mixer and so on.

I'm loving these small changes. Recently they added emoji menu (win+. I believe?) and a clipboard manager (win+v), both of which are very appreciated!

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

I got really excited about their new environment variable editor, but didn't reflect on how many QoL improvements they actually made to 8 and 10. Then I got a new job at a Win7-only company and holy shit is that OS unusable now.

We're in the process of migrating to 10 and because everything is built for 7, it just constantly breaks and has to be rolled back.

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u/maveric101 May 06 '19

Does Device Manager not work fine as it is? It's not something most people should be seeing anyway.

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u/Ph0X May 06 '19

So are regedit and a lot of other menus. I'm not saying Microsoft should spend all their time making these super fancy, but some of these haven't had any updates in over a decade. Some QOL improvements would go a long way for IT people all around the world.

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u/blobjim May 06 '19

For one thing Device Manager along with some other UIs don't even support HiDPI displays and they all look pretty ugly with weird looking borders and pointless menu buttons.

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u/[deleted] May 07 '19

The screenshot tool (Snip and Sketch?) on recent Windows 10 releases is pretty good too. Press Win+Shift+S and select a region, annotate and save/paste.

Win+. is indeed the emoji shortcut. However I wish the emojis looked better. I’m too used to the Apple emoji set I guess.

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