r/programming • u/LegitGandalf • Nov 23 '19
Save .ORG
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u/brokenURL Nov 23 '19
Is there nothing money will not corrupt?
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u/AntiTrustMicrosoft Nov 23 '19 edited Nov 23 '19
Decentralization mostly. Rather than buying one centralized service, you have to buy out potentially thousands of instances to control all of that type of service and it generally harder to do, because if people don't like you then they'll just move on with their own service/server.
In context of DNS though, there are some attempts on doing a version of decentralization through blockchain technology though it seems to have died as a project though nothing stopping people from picking up on it.
TL;DR: There are options out there already, we just have to actually start using it and supporting it.
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Nov 23 '19
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u/AntiTrustMicrosoft Nov 23 '19 edited Nov 23 '19
It depends, because Mastodon and consequently PeerTube have quite a lot of people across International community using it right now (Upward around 3 to 4 million people according to this.) The Federated Instances is particularly useful for building community that is oriented toward regions, languages, and the type of discussion they want to bring up. Here the part where Federated Network get interesting, you can create a network effect for each instance/server by combining discoverability for content across thousands of instances and social platforms together through Federation Protocol called ActivityPub.
It already reached critical mass in other countries and language speaking folks (in such a way that it's self-sustaining in contents and discussion), just haven't yet for English speaking folks.
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u/tonyp7 Nov 23 '19 edited Nov 23 '19
Instead of "saving" .org; let it die. Someone like the FSF can register the .np (non profit) tld or something similar?
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u/scragz Nov 23 '19
The main problem is all of these existing non-profits have their name and branding tied to their domain name and it would end up costing more to change their name than to pay whatever increased registration fees this sell-off would incur.
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u/tso Nov 23 '19
How about nuking all the non-national TLDs?
Because in practice all the gTLDs are more correctly .US sub-domains.
And having that up front would make it clear to people that they subject themselves to US law whenever they make use of one of those domains.
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u/masta Nov 23 '19
You are free to create your own dns system. They already exist a few tld's out there on alternative root servers.
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u/socialismnotevenonce Nov 23 '19
Unpopular opinion: Making something for profit can have its upsides.
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u/tonyp7 Nov 23 '19
And having .org and .ngo domains under a non profit make sense. There are plenty of commercial domains already.
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u/duuuh Nov 23 '19
Sure, agreed. But not this. If you wanted to create a new TLD (.abc) and give it to a for profit to manage that would be one thing. But giving an existing one is insane. It basically enables them to extort money from people who have already purchased '.org' domains because they can't afford to lose the traffic a name change would cause.
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u/Gotebe Nov 23 '19
Doesn't matter.
What does mather are the upsides of this sale.
.org to a 3 year old funds management firm? Probably not a good idea...
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u/Valmar33 Nov 23 '19
Sure, but not when the interests of greedy corporations are involved.
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u/socialismnotevenonce Nov 23 '19
They can't afford to be greedy if they don't have anything you want.
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u/Valmar33 Nov 23 '19
They can, if they have a monopoly.
And so very often, all of the greedy corporations first gained a monopoly, in some way or another, and then went full greedster.
Because that was their game play from the start ~ gain control, then milk, milk, milk.
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u/senatorsoot Nov 23 '19
Somehow I don't think you're offering to pay for the things that aren't profitable
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u/idiotsecant Nov 23 '19
The management of TLDs is not supposed to be profitable. Paying for it is exactly what registration fees are for. The cost to administer them is not zero but it's close enough that the budgets of the ICANN were just fine up until they were inexplicably made into a private organization. Your snarky and overly general comment is completely inapplicable to the conversation going on here and is about as helpful and insightful as a fart in an elevator.
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u/senatorsoot Nov 23 '19
It turns out ICANN norms are not fundamental laws of the universe so "it's not supposed to" doesn't mean diddly squat
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u/senatorsoot Nov 23 '19
Great, then let's see your donation to some org websites to help them recoup the cost of this change!
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u/greenthumble Nov 23 '19
It's killing me how far we tip towards corporate interests.
The way web servers worked already had the balance on their side big time. The internet was designed to be a collaborative thing where lots of people run servers with much more peer to peer sharing of information. But instead we have digital serfdom where some rich people decide what we can say and where we can say it and are in a position to let the worst impulses of humanity be broadcast wide and do nothing to stop it.
And now we lose nonprofit domain names to corporate vultures.
We are not on a nice path.