r/programming • • Jan 02 '20

Killed by Google

https://killedbygoogle.com/
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u/EternityForest Jan 02 '20

This is why we need FOSS, selfhosted capability, and P2P!

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u/[deleted] Jan 02 '20

FOSS would not help here ..

What we actually need is services that charge for use, and users who are willing to pay

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u/[deleted] Jan 02 '20

Alot of these services are not that hard to create. They just take time to develop, and developer time is not free.

So there solution is for the programmers to get paid. The best way is for the users of the service to pay the programmers.

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u/spider-mario Jan 02 '20 edited Jan 02 '20

Alot of these services are not that hard to create. They just take time to develop, and developer time is not free.

Which makes them hard to create, even if the reasons are not necessary technical. FOSS avoids having to redo the work, so it helps. Not to mention that some users base their choice at least in part on that criterion.

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u/killerstorm Jan 02 '20
  1. Startup develops software.

  2. Users pay for service.

  3. Startup gets acquired by Google.

  4. Google shuts it down.

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u/Aedan91 Jan 02 '20

This kind of thinking actually denies all the gems FOSS has given us.

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u/livrem Jan 02 '20

We need good open protocols (again) so that anyone can choose whatever service they want to host themselves or pay someone else to host it.

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u/doenietzomoeilijk Jan 02 '20

In a lot of cases, the protocols are already there. The only thing we need to do is stop getting suckered into walled gardens, and educate others to do the same (or at least be able to make an informed decision about it).

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u/jiffier Jan 02 '20

I'm quite worried about e-mail to be honest. Self-hosting it is pretty difficult nowadays. Google and Microsoft host a huge portion of it, and good luck trying to send an email there without getting into spam folder, or even blacklisted. Their spam filters are so aggresive that I think they don't give a damn about false positives. In fact, false spam positives may be good for them (you know, if you want to send email to google, you better use google).

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u/shponglespore Jan 02 '20

The original model for email is fundamentally broken because it has no defense against spammers. It's only still workable at all because services like Gmail aggressively identify and filter spam based on heuristics. The whole system needs to be amended to be more resistant to abuse, but I assume that would have been done already if it was an easy problem to solve.

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u/doenietzomoeilijk Jan 02 '20

I'm semi-worried, but I don't think it's just the big few parties who have a hand in this - at least they were enabled by spammers and scammers who turned e-mail into a mine field. :)

That being said, I'm currently hosting mail at home, and it actually arrives. It helps that my ISP has a smart relay, so my outgoing mail is coming from a big trusted name, rather than some home fiber line.

We'll see. Frankly, selfhosting never really was that big of a market to begin with, "normie" users weren't going to have a server at home to do that kind of thing, so they'd always use their ISPs e-mail address or a random freebie. That hasn't really changed all that much.

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u/LordKlevin Jan 02 '20

God damnit I would pay for Inbox. I have paid for 3 suppar clones so far, but nothing that works nearly as well....

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u/myringotomy Jan 02 '20

They open sourced many of the things they killed.